Heavenly bound or Not

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Markum1972

Markum1972

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Mar 25, 2013
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ELECT said:
you believe in a rapture and dont even understand what the people are teaching
prove all things hold fast to that which is good
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I will take this mystery one step further if I may.

Just because such a thing as a rapture may be real, does not mean that it is the will of God.

On that note, I ask you this question...

In the scriptures where it talks about one being left and one being taken, which does scripture say that we ought to be.

The one left?
Or the one taken?

And please, people, do not tell me what you were taught or what some teacher has said. I am asking you what is written in the scriptures about it. The answer is there clear to be seen. Find it and show me.
 
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ELECT

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#62
Markum1972 said:
Yes.

However, understand that at the time that Jesus said "paradise", he was not referring to Heaven. There was no path to Heaven at that time because all men were seperated from God by the law of sin and death.

There was a place in Hell though called paradise. It was also called Abraham's Bosom. It was a place that was separate from Hell for the comfort of those that had been faithful. It was a temporary place until Jesus was able to enter Hell and defeat Satan and thus set those captives in Paradise free so they could no longer be separated from God and thus enter Heaven.

Heaven... a temporary place as well for man until Jesus establishes his kingdom upon the earth. Thus is it written that Jesus will return with the saints. All those that went to Heaven will return to the earth, the promised land.
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When Jesus returns with the saints it is the angels and for the saints it is the christians
 
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ELECT

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#63
Markum1972 said:
I will take this mystery one step further if I may.

Just because such a thing as a rapture may be real, does not mean that it is the will of God.

On that note, I ask you this question...

In the scriptures where it talks about one being left and one being taken, which does scripture say that we ought to be.

The one left?
Or the one taken?

And please, people, do not tell me what you were taught or what some teacher has said. I am asking you what is written in the scriptures about it. The answer is there clear to be seen. Find it and show me.
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As Noah and his family were taken so would the righteous be taken (wise virgins ) the one left behind are the wicked thus Jesus said [h=1]Matthew 24:28New King James Version (NKJV)[/h]28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. The ones left behind

The one taken is not the wicked
 
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john832

Senior Member
#64
May 31, 2013
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Markum1972 said:
Yes.

However, understand that at the time that Jesus said "paradise", he was not referring to Heaven. There was no path to Heaven at that time because all men were seperated from God by the law of sin and death.

There was a place in Hell though called paradise. It was also called Abraham's Bosom. It was a place that was separate from Hell for the comfort of those that had been faithful. It was a temporary place until Jesus was able to enter Hell and defeat Satan and thus set those captives in Paradise free so they could no longer be separated from God and thus enter Heaven.

Heaven... a temporary place as well for man until Jesus establishes his kingdom upon the earth. Thus is it written that Jesus will return with the saints. All those that went to Heaven will return to the earth, the promised land.
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You are making this up aren't you? Paradise is the third heaven and NO MAN has gone there...

2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
 
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ELECT

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crossnote said:
You are playing dumb. I said at the rapture He does not come to the earth so it does not count as a 'coming'. Comprende?
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Psa.115:16 says, "The heaven even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men". Won't you accept God's offer? Psa 37:9 says "For evil doers shall be cut off but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth". See also verses 11,22. Does Jesus agree with David on this point? Let's see. In Mt.5:5 Jesus said "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth". So he agrees. But some say this is after they come back from heaven, after spending the one thousand years in heaven. That's also false. Rev.20:4 says "And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast ... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years".


Where will the redeemed reign with Christ for these one thousand years? See Rev 5:9-10 "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was't slain, and has't redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And has't made us unto our God Kings and Priests: and we shall Reign On The Earth". That is reality!


Solomon concurs, he said in Prov 10:30 "The righteous shall never be removed but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth". Can you deny or continue to deny the overwhelming weight of evidence that proves that man would not be going to heaven to live with Christ?


When Jesus comes and we meet him in the air, we would not be staying in the air, nor would we be going with him to the heavenly abode of God Almighty. Instead, we would be coming back down to the surface of the earth, to begin the reign of Christ for one thousand years. The capital of this world government under Christ would be Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. Zech.14:16 & 17, Joel 3:16 & 17. Christ would touch down on Mt. Olives, which is on the east of Jerusalem. See Zech.14:1-5. The power of his coming is going to split the Mount of Olives in two.
 
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ELECT

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Markum1972 said:
I will take this mystery one step further if I may.

Just because such a thing as a rapture may be real, does not mean that it is the will of God.

On that note, I ask you this question...

In the scriptures where it talks about one being left and one being taken, which does scripture say that we ought to be.

The one left?
Or the one taken?

And please, people, do not tell me what you were taught or what some teacher has said. I am asking you what is written in the scriptures about it. The answer is there clear to be seen. Find it and show me.
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Who do you say are the taken ?
 
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