Hebrews 10:26-31

[PS]

This talks about physical death.

The Church of Corinthians the Apostle Paul wrote to was very carnal (proofing the existance of carnal Christians). Nowhere will you find one example in which a person lost his salvation.

"But instead Paul says his flesh must die in order for him to be saved when Jesus comes back." No, it doesn't say that.

"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." (Verse 5)

God bless

You can loose your salvation:-

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

2 Peter 2:20-22 - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Peter 3:17 - Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

1 John 2:24 - See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

Revelation 22:19 - And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.​

 

[OneFaith]

If your foot falls asleep it can be revived (prodigal son), but if you cut it off (leave the truth), and it turns gangrene because the tissues died, and you replaced your foot with a prosthetic, you can’t then change your mind and try to put your old foot back on. It can never again return to being part of your body. In the same way, Christ’s body is His church. If you leave the truth you know, to become Muslim for example, you will never again be part of Christ’s body. You cannot return to the truth you knowingly left.

 

[MattforJesus]

All sin can be forgiven.If we sin and repent it can be forgiven.If we hold unto sin for 1 year and repent it can be forgiven.

We should not sin,but the danger is not so much the sin itself,but our attitude towards that sin,that we should know that sin does affect our relationship with God,the truth,which will cause us to get rid of sin when we do it,and not hold unto it,and not do it on a day to day basis,but if we hold unto it we can still be forgiven when we give it up,and mean it.

But the danger is holding unto sin,and while a person may hold unto sin and know that sin does affect their relationship with God,they are one dangerous ground at the time they hold unto that sin taking a risk with their spiritual salvation,but most likely they will get rid of the sin having the proper attitude concerning sin that they have to abstain from sin by the Spirit to be right with God.

But some people stay on dangerous ground during their walk with Christ,and hold unto sin believing that sin does not affect their relationship with God,which the Bible says they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof(Spirit),ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.

That is the difference between being led of the Spirit,and not,for those led of the Spirit might sin but they will get rid of it,and keep moving forward,but those that have not received the Spirit will hold unto sin thinking they are alright with God,which is why they cannot receive the Spirit.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

This does not mean that the person necessarily will lose salvation,for if we sin it can be forgiven,but it means if someone holds on to sin not giving it up then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away,for God will not take away a sin they hold unto,and if they die holding unto sin then it is on their record,and it cannot be reversed in the after life,but sins must be rid of while on earth.

But if we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of sin there is no judgement if people have the proper perspective of repentance,and that sin does affect their relationship with God,and get rid of it,for then their record is clean,but at the time we sin then it is on our record until we get rid of it.

But there are many people that hold unto sin thinking they cannot abstain from sin,but if they hate sin,and do not want sin,then by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,and that sin does not affect their relationship with God,but the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and then the sin cannot be washed away,all the while they believe it can be washed away.

All sin can be forgiven,but the danger is holding unto sin and thinking it does not affect your relationship with God,or holding unto sin and knowing sin does affect your relationship with God,but playing around and putting yourself on dangerous ground.

Anybody that confesses Christ should know that God hates sin,and does not want us to sin,for He wants us to repent which means turn away from sins,and not do them.

That should be a given.

We sin on purpose,and then we want an excuse for that sin,and say we cannot abstain from sin.

Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Whether you confess Christ,or not,if you sow to the flesh,enjoy sin,then that is what you shall reap corruption.

It is the end time,and many hypocrites will be at this time,with a relaxed attitude concerning Christianity,and enjoying sin and thinking they are alright with God.

Holding unto sin is the danger,but all sin can be forgiven.

 

[LW97]

You can loose your salvation:-

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

2 Peter 2:20-22 - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Peter 3:17 - Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

1 John 2:24 - See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

Revelation 22:19 - And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.​

False

1) Hebrews 6 says if you could lose it, you couldn't get it back.
2) I already explained Hebrews 10.
3) Peter 2 talks about false converts. They may have known the Gospel, but then they fell off
4) The tree of life is only for the tribulation and millenium saints, since the Church Age saints are promised be like Christ.

 

[LW97]

All sin can be forgiven.If we sin and repent it can be forgiven.If we hold unto sin for 1 year and repent it can be forgiven.

We should not sin,but the danger is not so much the sin itself,but our attitude towards that sin,that we should know that sin does affect our relationship with God,the truth,which will cause us to get rid of sin when we do it,and not hold unto it,and not do it on a day to day basis,but if we hold unto it we can still be forgiven when we give it up,and mean it.

But the danger is holding unto sin,and while a person may hold unto sin and know that sin does affect their relationship with God,they are one dangerous ground at the time they hold unto that sin taking a risk with their spiritual salvation,but most likely they will get rid of the sin having the proper attitude concerning sin that they have to abstain from sin by the Spirit to be right with God.

But some people stay on dangerous ground during their walk with Christ,and hold unto sin believing that sin does not affect their relationship with God,which the Bible says they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof(Spirit),ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.

That is the difference between being led of the Spirit,and not,for those led of the Spirit might sin but they will get rid of it,and keep moving forward,but those that have not received the Spirit will hold unto sin thinking they are alright with God,which is why they cannot receive the Spirit.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

This does not mean that the person necessarily will lose salvation,for if we sin it can be forgiven,but it means if someone holds on to sin not giving it up then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away,for God will not take away a sin they hold unto,and if they die holding unto sin then it is on their record,and it cannot be reversed in the after life,but sins must be rid of while on earth.

But if we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of sin there is no judgement if people have the proper perspective of repentance,and that sin does affect their relationship with God,and get rid of it,for then their record is clean,but at the time we sin then it is on our record until we get rid of it.

But there are many people that hold unto sin thinking they cannot abstain from sin,but if they hate sin,and do not want sin,then by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,and that sin does not affect their relationship with God,but the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and then the sin cannot be washed away,all the while they believe it can be washed away.

All sin can be forgiven,but the danger is holding unto sin and thinking it does not affect your relationship with God,or holding unto sin and knowing sin does affect your relationship with God,but playing around and putting yourself on dangerous ground.

Anybody that confesses Christ should know that God hates sin,and does not want us to sin,for He wants us to repent which means turn away from sins,and not do them.

That should be a given.

We sin on purpose,and then we want an excuse for that sin,and say we cannot abstain from sin.

Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Whether you confess Christ,or not,if you sow to the flesh,enjoy sin,then that is what you shall reap corruption.

It is the end time,and many hypocrites will be at this time,with a relaxed attitude concerning Christianity,and enjoying sin and thinking they are alright with God.

Holding unto sin is the danger,but all sin can be forgiven.

All sins are forgiven, because all sins were yet future when Christ died.

 

[LW97]

A person that goes back into the world ,but never renounce God is still saved.

Correct. many may try to leave God, but he won't leave us (Hebrews 13:5)

 

[LW97]

Hebrews 6:4-6 says simply that once a person has "been enlightened", "tasted of the Holy Spirit", etc. , and then falls away, it is impossible to renew them to repentance while they are at the same time continuing to "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh" (Greek present participle) and while they are at the same time continuing to "put God to an open shame" (Greek present participle).

The GReek word for "repentance" is "metanoia", which means "change of mind". This man quit his fellowship with God.

 

[LW97]

If your foot falls asleep it can be revived (prodigal son), but if you cut it off (leave the truth), and it turns gangrene because the tissues died, and you replaced your foot with a prosthetic, you can’t then change your mind and try to put your old foot back on. It can never again return to being part of your body. In the same way, Christ’s body is His church. If you leave the truth you know, to become Muslim for example, you will never again be part of Christ’s body. You cannot return to the truth you knowingly left.

Huh?

Also, was the Prodigal Son still his father's son when he left him or not?

 

[LW97]

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[LW97]

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[PS]

False

1) Hebrews 6 says if you could lose it, you couldn't get it back.
2) I already explained Hebrews 10.
3) Peter 2 talks about false converts. They may have known the Gospel, but then they fell off
4) The tree of life is only for the tribulation and millenium saints, since the Church Age saints are promised be like Christ.

Then be worried, because the apostate, and that includes false teachers like Arius are cast out.

 

[PS]

The GReek word for "repentance" is "metanoia", which means "change of mind". This man quit his fellowship with God.

Then you can change your mind and loose you salvation.

 

[LW97]

Then you can change your mind and loose you salvation.

Nope. I have a free will, but if I decide no longer to believe this, God won't stop chastising me. I am born of God and do you think our Holy Father makes mistakes?

 

[PS]

Nope. I have a free will, but if I decide no longer to believe this, God won't stop chastising me. I am born of God and do you think our Holy Father makes mistakes?

I think it is people who make the mistakes.

 

[LW97]

I think it is people who make the mistakes.

Yes, but what does hebrews 12:6-11 say?

 

[PS]

Yes, but what does hebrews 12:6-11 say?

I would rather try not to make mistakes:-

Our human fathers punished us for a short time, as it seemed right to them; but God does it for our own good, so that we may share his holiness. When we are punished, it seems to us at the time something to make us sad, not glad. Later, however, those who have been disciplined by such punishment reap the peaceful reward of a righteous life. (Heb 12:10-11)

But apostasy is totally different from straight-forward disobedience.

 

[LW97]

I would rather try not to make mistakes:-

Our human fathers punished us for a short time, as it seemed right to them; but God does it for our own good, so that we may share his holiness. When we are punished, it seems to us at the time something to make us sad, not glad. Later, however, those who have been disciplined by such punishment reap the peaceful reward of a righteous life. (Heb 12:10-11)

But apostasy is totally different from straight-forward disobedience.

Yeah, but according to Hebrews 13:5 God won't forsake us and therefore not quit his chastisement.

 

[PS]

Yeah, but according to Hebrews 13:5 God won't forsake us and therefore not quit his chastisement.

God will abandon the apostate.

1 Timothy 1:19 Holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith,

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Ezekiel 33:18 “If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it.”

Galations 5:4-7 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Hebrews 6:4 “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

Hebrews 12:15-17 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

Hebrews 3:12-14,18 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end....And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient?

Luke 9:62 Jesus said to him, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”

Proverbs 21:16 “A man who strays from the path of understanding comes to rest in the company of the dead.”

Romans 11:21-22 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

 

[LW97]

God will abandon the apostate.

1 Timothy 1:19 Holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith,

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Ezekiel 33:18 “If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it.”

Galations 5:4-7 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Hebrews 6:4 “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

Hebrews 12:15-17 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

Hebrews 3:12-14,18 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end....And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient?

Luke 9:62 Jesus said to him, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”

Proverbs 21:16 “A man who strays from the path of understanding comes to rest in the company of the dead.”

Romans 11:21-22 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

Those verses are taken very much out of context. As an example, Ezekiel plays during the dispensation of the Law. And those in 2nd Peter were never truly regenerated.

"[FONT=&quot]Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." (Hebrews 13:5)

What is so hard to understand at the word "NEVER"?[/FONT]

 

[LW97]

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