Hebrews 6:4-6 - not at it seems...

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - you lie yourself into a dead end. You are saying you can be blameless and righteous, walking
in acceptance by the Lord, today? For 5 minutes, 1 hour, 1 day?

Now I know gb9 and ben both deny this, because I have asked them the same question.
Maybe today they will change what they believe.

But EG I am talking to you. I have no reason to trust you or believe you at all. But amuse
me, can you walk in full communion with the Lord. Because if you can then amen.

I have never said anything different as to my position and those who oppose me are 100%
certain in their position. So what does this double minded man want to claim today

I have told you 100 times. When anyone is walking with God, in step with the spirit. they are sinless

It is when we take our eye of God, and put it on self. that we start to sin.

No person can keep their eye on God 24/7,

You can not even post 2 or 3 posts without telling people they believe things they do not, You want me to think you can go 24/7 without sin?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the only game that is being played is you saying we hate righteousness, When it has been said numerous times, We reject righteousness ONLY as a MEANS of GAINING SALVATION.

It is called being saved by self effort.

As usuall, You destroy context, to make your own theory...

We do to be obedient to GOD.

The other group says obedience to GOD (doing his will) is not required.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We do to be obedient to GOD.

We do too.

The other group says obedience to GOD (doing his will) is not required.

see what you just did.

You just said being obedient is required. to what? Be saved? Come now. lets be honest.. required to what??

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We do too.

see what you just did.

You just said being obedient is required. to what? Be saved? Come now. lets be honest.. required to what??

Required to be saved. Absolutely.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Required to be saved. Absolutely.

I rest my case.

people claim you are a legalist, Not because you teach righteousness, or want to follow God. but because you claim salvation is based on works (obedience)

We teach we are obedient BECAUSE we are saved (powered by God)

You think we are saved by obedience (powered by self)

 

[PeterJens]

I have told you 100 times. When anyone is walking with God, in step with the spirit. they are sinless
It is when we take our eye of God, and put it on self. that we start to sin.
No person can keep their eye on God 24/7,
You can not even post 2 or 3 posts without telling people they believe things they do not, You want me to think you can go 24/7 without sin?

EG - You may not be aware but taking your words as put forward is no real difference between
our positions. But this is not what HG preach or hold to.

And then again there are limitations in how you express your belief. I do not have this self/God divide
or the mystic perfection spirit / sinful flesh or body view.

Now you think we hold righteousness is about salvation, when righteousness is about the colour of
salvation, it is an attribute, not the thing itself. You have called me to repent and held onto a
construct of OSAS which to me is irrelevant.

If you are a new creation, and God has gone deeply into your soul, you are not going to walk away.

Now if you know Christ Crucified in your heart self righteousness is not an issue.

So you are not actually the same as your friends. Your opposition to WOF and health/wealth also
mark you out, which your friends hold to. So you are an enigma. Hummmmm.

 

[PeterJens]

I rest my case.

EG - listen to yourself. If I said I had a job with a company, turned up at 9.00 am and
then said I would work on what I wanted to, expected all the privileges of employment
but not do any of the work, I would not be in the job very long.

But this is exactly what you are saying with Jesus. He is your Lord and saviour, your
King and ruler yet you are not willing to obey His commands.

Do you not hear the contradiction? Your Lord is the King of all and has given commands
for our own good, for the blessing of ourselves and everyone else.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)

 

[oyster67]

I rest my case.

people claim you are a legalist, Not because you teach righteousness, or want to follow God. but because you claim salvation is based on works (obedience)

We teach we are obedient BECAUSE we are saved (powered by God)

You think we are saved by obedience (powered by self)

I believe repentance is more than just a one time thing. Refusal to repent whenever Spirit shows me my sin adds up to rebellion. This is how losing salvation happens. No one plucked me out of my Father's hand. He did not forsake me. I willfully chose to jump ship. No one to blame but me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - listen to yourself. If I said I had a job with a company, turned up at 9.00 am and
then said I would work on what I wanted to, expected all the privileges of employment
but not do any of the work, I would not be in the job very long.

But this is exactly what you are saying with Jesus. He is your Lord and saviour, your
King and ruler yet you are not willing to obey His commands.

Do you not hear the contradiction? Your Lord is the King of all and has given commands
for our own good, for the blessing of ourselves and everyone else.

Salvation is not a job Peter.. Thats your first issue.. If I could do Gods will and make it to heaven by my works, I would NOT NEED SAVED.

Salvation is a position, It is gained by Gods grace (unearned merit) and given only to those who truly want it (faith)

do you want saved peter? or will you continue to try to earn Gods love?

 

[Angela_grace]

Revelation 3:5 In the same way, the victor will be dressed in white clothes, and I will never erase his name from the book of life but will acknowledge his name before My Father and before His angels.

Doesnt this imply that some names which were written in the book of life that they won't be there anymore?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I rest my case.

people claim you are a legalist, Not because you teach righteousness, or want to follow God. but because you claim salvation is based on works (obedience)

We teach we are obedient BECAUSE we are saved (powered by God)

You think we are saved by obedience (powered by self)

You just play with word meanings to try to gain a perceived advantage. Doing GOD's will becomes works, obedience becomes powered by self, obedience becomes doing nothing and simply believing GOD does everything (powered by GOD).

 

[FreeNChrist]

Revelation 3:5 In the same way, the victor will be dressed in white clothes, and I will never erase his name from the book of life but will acknowledge his name before My Father and before His angels.

Doesnt this imply that some names which were written in the book of life that they won't be there anymore?

......nope.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - listen to yourself. If I said I had a job with a company, turned up at 9.00 am and
then said I would work on what I wanted to, expected all the privileges of employment
but not do any of the work, I would not be in the job very long.

But this is exactly what you are saying with Jesus. He is your Lord and saviour, your
King and ruler yet you are not willing to obey His commands.

Do you not hear the contradiction? Your Lord is the King of all and has given commands
for our own good, for the blessing of ourselves and everyone else.

Salvation is not a job Peter.. Thats your first issue.. If I could do Gods will and make it to heaven by my works, I would NOT NEED SAVED.

Salvation is a position, It is gained by Gods grace (unearned merit) and given only to those who truly want it (faith)

do you want saved peter? or will you continue to try to earn Gods love?

 

[FreeNChrist]

"Some people imagine if you bow yourself out and bow Jesus in, if you die to self-effort and let God do it, that is passivity. Well, it is passivity only if you consider God to be passive, and only if you consider the Lord Jesus to be a weakling and incapable of running His own kingdom as King, and that of course is blasphemous.

If I think that by stepping aside and letting God handle it, nothing is going to happen, this only indicates that I do not really believe in God or in the competence of Jesus Christ. I am assuming that if it were not for folks like me doing the work and keeping God in business, He would be in bad shape. That is the only logical conclusion we can draw when anyone assumes, “If I let Jesus do it, nothing will happen.” - Major Ian Thomas

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You just play with word meanings to try to gain a perceived advantage. Doing GOD's will becomes works, obedience becomes powered by self, obedience becomes doing nothing and simply believing GOD does everything (powered by GOD).

I just say it like it is.

If obedience is required, we are under law not grace, and salvation is earned not given.

The key word is required..

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Salvation is not a job Peter.. Thats your first issue.. If I could do Gods will and make it to heaven by my works, I would NOT NEED SAVED.

Salvation is a position, It is gained by Gods grace (unearned merit) and given only to those who truly want it (faith)

do you want saved peter? or will you continue to try to earn Gods love?

Salvation absolutely is like a job. Salvation is abiding in Christ and that requires effort, and not obeying the boss will get you fired. What salvation isn't is a state of being or entitlement.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Salvation absolutely is like a job. Salvation is abiding in Christ and that requires effort, and not obeying the boss will get you fired. What salvation isn't is a state of being or entitlement.

Yeah, that's what the Jews believed too. Didn't work well for them either.

 

[Angela_grace]

......nope.

Please read the verse in context and tell me how it's not. Thanks

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yeah, that's what the Jews believed too. Didn't work well for them either.

Actually, many Jews thought that they were entitled to salvation because they were sons of Abraham and circumcised. And they didn't obey the boss when he showed at the work site. So they were canned.