Hebrews 6:4-6 - not at it seems...
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That is not what it says. But the bigger issue is this misguided idea that your own righteousness can save you.
Isaiah 64:6 [FONT="]All of us have become like one who is unclean,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
Please reconsider, your eternity is at stake. [/FONT]
Isaiah 64:6 [FONT="]All of us have become like one who is unclean,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
Please reconsider, your eternity is at stake. [/FONT]
To the natural mind spiritual realities in Christ is a mystery as well as our union with Christ and the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
Ephesians 2:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved
),
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Raised us up with Him and seated us with Him = is in the Aorist indicative which is a one time event in the past. The aorist tense in the indicative always states a completed action in the past.
We are now spiritually with Christ and our citizenship is in heaven.
Don't be fooled by those that are not spiritually minded.
Ephesians 2:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved
),
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Raised us up with Him and seated us with Him = is in the Aorist indicative which is a one time event in the past. The aorist tense in the indicative always states a completed action in the past.
We are now spiritually with Christ and our citizenship is in heaven.
Don't be fooled by those that are not spiritually minded.
If you dont believe that our spirit becomes one with Jesus then you are not saved. You can use all your smart phrases and terms but the fact remains. I am not arguing with you or putting you down. Until you receive the Holy Spirit you remain carnal and can never understand the spiritual and you are at grave risk of eternal damnation. I am praying for you now and will continue to do so. I first thought your posts were simply meant to stir the pot but I now see there is a much bigger issue at stake. Please put aside your pride and reconsider. Jesus loves you and wants you to be in Heaven with Him for eternity. This really is not some forum joke it is eternity we are speaking of and thats a long time.
1 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Ephesians 5:31-32 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Ephesians 5:31-32 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
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This really is the reason some cannot understand what we are talking about. How can those who deny the indwelling presence of Christ in the believer ever understand when we speak of Christ in us as our hope of glory? Or that it is no longer we who live, but Christ living in us? They can’t. Because unless a person knows Jesus as the risen, living and indwelling Lord and Savior, as a present tense reality in their own heart and life, there is no way they will ever understand what we are talking about. That's just the way it is.
All believers are able to understand that Christ indwells them through the holy spirit. It's simply a matter of believing what GOD says. It doesn't take a special g̶n̶o̶s̶i̶s̶ lens to know that. It's really funny to see this elitist attitude that you and some others think they have something that others don't. But no surprise because elitism is another mark of gnosticism.
The question I am asking is:
Do you believe it is possible for a born again believer (one who has been sealed with that holy spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession – Eph 1:13-14) to become un-born (or un-sealed) before the redemption of the purchased possession?
Do you believe it is possible for a born again believer (one who has been sealed with that holy spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession – Eph 1:13-14) to become un-born (or un-sealed) before the redemption of the purchased possession?
Do you believe that God forsakes those who fall victim to those who speak lies in hypocrisy? If that were the case, God would never have responded to Adam/Eve as He did.
Matthew 18:12 ... if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
Matthew 18:12 ... if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
These posts reminded me of these verses:
1 Thessalonians 1:
9 --- how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Hebrews 11:
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
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16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
I agree...it is why this mindset fight against the fact that Christ lives in us and lives through us because we are one with Him. The new creation in Christ is a mystery to this natural mind.
The inner man created in righteousness and holiness is a mystery to them and it's all gnostic beliefs to the natural minds about having the life of Christ bearing His fruit in and through us. He is the vine - we are the branches. The branch does not produce fruit on it's own. It's the life of the vine that bears fruit on us.
This is why this mindset needs to "maintain" it's own righteousness. It is anti-Christ thinking at the core.
The one you are talking with doesn't believe Christians are born-again until we get our new body. It's no wonder all this is "gnostic" to the natural mind.
