Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

[MsSuzanna]

Ok. Makes good sense to me. Follow up question:

Are there different levels or degrees of punishment in this place of everlasting fire for different people that go there?

I posted the scriptures and commentary about that on the first couple pages. The degrees of punishment.

 

[zeroturbulence]

[h=2]Re: Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?[/h]Yes it is. Something about whaling and chipped teeth..

 

[Magenta]

I've been to Hell

 

[MsSuzanna]

I changed what you wrote to see things from another perspective [emphasis added].


The same here [emphasis added]


As above [emphasis added]


A level playing field? [emphasis added]

Slightly ostentatious perhaps?

Many do, it is called the Holy Bible.


It appears many have an interpretation [emphasis added]

I liken this dialog to a unlearned blind child who hasnt been born yet trying to school a grown adult who has matured and able to teach. Its absolutely insanity. But yet, there are those who will give you props where they are not warranted because they simply need a few more warm bodies to stand with them. They are not telling you truth nor are they helping you. You need CHRIST first! You have to be reborn again of the spirit to have wisdom from above. What part of that do you feel you are exempt from? Go get saved and come back with some real knowledge and not your vain imagination you are leaning on right now.

 

[Magenta]

God's Word gives props to those that diligently seek Him.
Your saying that the lost cannot understand the Word
of God is disturbing and contradicts the Word of God.
Can we expect nothing more from you?

 

[MsSuzanna]

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."


This is the Spirit (not a spirit), that I was speaking of and how I know these end-time events that I have been sharing here.

This is why I know what I know regarding Revelation and end-time events, the things yet to come, which the Spirit has revealed to me through the diligent study of God's word. The sad part is that because of the influence of false teachings and lack of personal study, many do not recognize the truth when it is presented to them.

As an example, when there were false teachers in Thessalonica teaching that the resurrection had already taken place, the Thessalonians wrote to Paul regarding this issue because they were concerned. For they were familiar with Paul's teachings from the Lord, that immediately following the resurrection of the dead the living believers would be changed into those immortal and glorified bodies and caught up in the clouds with those who will have just resurrected to meet the Lord in the air. And since there were those who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place, their concern to Paul was, "Hey Paul, if the resurrection has already taken place, how come we haven't been caught up?! And Paul comforts and reassures them, which is what Paul was responding to in his letter to them to in 2 Thes.2:1-12.

In comparison, if today someone says the resurrection has already taken place, hardly anyone blinks and eye and that because they don't understand the teachings that the Thessalonians understood, that once the dead in Christ are resurrected, the living in Christ follow immediately afterward. In stark contrast to this, we have people today claiming that there is no such event where the living are going to be changed and caught up, even though it is stated right in scripture and in detail. And this is the way it is with many other Biblical truths and that because people are adopting false teachings and getting their information as the word of God from you tube, web-sites, books and seminars, instead of from the word of God.

And this is the way it is with many other Biblical truths and that because people are adopting false teachings and getting their information as the word of God from you tube, web-sites, books and seminars, instead of from the word of God.

Amen. And then there are those who cannot interpret scripture correctly because they do not have the spirit indwelling.

 

[MsSuzanna]

I have had others misrepresent and even create texts and put it in my quote box, also ckaiming to just make a point, but this is deception, and can cause others to believe a lie when they read those posts in the future.
In my opinion, this should be a serious violation.
I know first-hand the trouble that comes because others have misrepresented my words/intentions, and I'd hate to see Ahwatukee be misunderstood because someone else manipulated his posts/text.
I don't think the person should be banned, as I don't believe there was malicious intent, as I believe was done to me, but there should be a warning, and Ahwatukee was correct in pointing it out and asking it not be done again. These topics are difficult enough to try to discuss clearly without ppl manipulating someone elses quotes. Highlighting or condensing may be one thing, but changing words, or adding or deleting, while leaving it in the quote-box is deceptive practice. Just my opinion.

You are correct. Its rather underhanded to change what a person has written to make a point. Why respond to a twisted version? Twisted,convoluted would be the optimal words I suppose.. Thanks for speaking up about this bro.

 

[MsSuzanna]

You'll never be able to help some people see that what they insist upon being divine revelation may be no more than simply THEIR esoteric interpretation. They honestly do believe they are the chosen one to whom God has revealed the "truth" while keeping it hidden from anyone else.



Ya know... You just might turn out to be quite a Christian one of these days.

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Well at least you have the unsaved agree with you.

 

[Magenta]

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the
faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Many follow in the footsteps of Satan, to say, you will not certainly die. How sad.
They make God to be a sadistic monster. How very disturbing indeed.

 

[MsSuzanna]

God's Word gives props to those that diligently seek Him.
Your saying that the lost cannot understand the Word
of God is disturbing and contradicts the Word of God.
Can we expect nothing more from you?

Well, coming from you who has been shown the true meaning of scriptures and still denies the truth; its not even worth the page you wasted to type it. Somehow smoke doesnt indicate fire and gnashing of teeth from dead men is a viable interpretation?
I dont think Ill entertain your weak knowledge on scripture. Nope . Not going to happen

 

[MsSuzanna]

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the
faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Many follow in the footsteps of Satan, to say, you will not certainly die. How sad.
They make God to be a sadistic monster. How very disturbing indeed.

The scripture clearly states that indeed. Due justice is not sadistic. It is justice. ( removed to to rudeness )

 

[Magenta]

Well, coming from you who has been shown the true meaning of scriptures and still denies the truth; its not even worth the page you wasted to type it. Somehow smoke doesnt indicate fire and gnashing of teeth from dead men is a viable interpretation?
I dont think Ill entertain your weak knowledge on scripture. Nope . Not going to happen

Really, Utah, is it such a stretch to accept that they will receive their punishment immediately after being judged on judgement day? You make it sound like there is some kind of contradiction when in reality it makes perfect sense that the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth happens on judgement day at the prospect of their imminent and inescapable fate in the lake of fire. Do you think God is going to have a backlog of cases to try? That maybe it will take a couple of years between being charged, and being tried and found guilty? Maybe a few hundred, or a few thousand years? Ten thousand years? Wow, that would be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. It certainly won't be the dead who are wailing and gnashing their teeth, nor those who have already passed out of existence. It will be those realizing that they refused the opportunity of an eternal lifetime. Literally.

( removed to to insult)

 

[ember]

It seems to be a fundamental biblical word.

so is dung...

 

[KenAllan]

You are missing the point Magenta. Where in the Scriptures does God say there is time in Heaven?

We have time here on earth.

In Heaven there is no time because everything is Eternal with God. In a instant God can Judge all of His Creation! Not in 10,000 years like you teach. 10,000 years is man's thinking not God's.

 

[MsSuzanna]

You are a liar.

I dont think Ill entertain your weak knowledge on scripture. Nope . Not going to happen

Nope. Its true I am not gonna do it

 

[kedge]

I liken this dialog to a unlearned blind child who hasnt been born yet trying to school a grown adult who has matured and able to teach.

I'm not schooling anyone, I simply showed that there are many mature Christians out there that Jesus only taught in parables, and many mature Christians can show from the Bible that the rich man and lazarus does not teach the immortality of the soul, it is their interpretation just like it is your interpretation of Scripture, but only one can be true. I simply put forward from my perspective on things that there are two sides to the story and anyone has the option of making an informed choice.


Taken from the religious internet

Jesus instructed His disciples not to stop anyone from acting in His name even if they didn’t have the proper credentials.


Anyone Not Against Us Is for Us

Mark9:38-40
John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. For the one who is not against us is for us.

They are not telling you truth nor are they helping you.

In your opinion.

You need CHRIST first! You have to be reborn again of the spirit to have wisdom from above.

According to the Scripture above I disagree with you

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[Magenta]

You are missing the point Magenta. Where in the Scriptures does God say there is time in Heaven?
We have time here on earth.
In Heaven there is no time because everything is Eternal with God. In a instant God can Judge all of His Creation! Not in 10,000 years like you teach. 10,000 years is man's thinking not God's.

I did not "teach" what you claim. I asked questions, to make a point that it could all happen on the same day. Sorry you missed that completely. It seems to have all gone right over your head. Please try to read with better comprehension next time. Thank you

 

[Willie-T]

I'm not schooling anyone, I simply showed that there are many mature Christians out there that Jesus only taught in parables, and many mature Christians can show from the Bible that the rich man and lazarus does not teach the immortality of the soul, it is their interpretation just like it is your interpretation of Scripture, but only one can be true. I simply put forward from my perspective on things that there are two sides to the story and anyone has the option of making an informed choice.


Taken from the religious internet

Jesus instructed His disciples not to stop anyone from acting in His name even if they didn’t have the proper credentials.


Anyone Not Against Us Is for Us

Mark9:38-40
John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. For the one who is not against us is for us.

In your opinion.

According to the Scripture above I disagree with you

And YOU are saved? we can all presume.

Don't sweat the peanut gallery, K. Some people would have a dog "meowing", claiming they were teaching it to bark.

 

[oyster67]

The doctrine of hell is a roman catholic doctrine latched onto by the modern church. You preach a gospel of hell. Sheol, hades are actually referring to the grave. You're good at copy and pasting your (removed rude).
please refrain from rude comments thank you.

The denial of everlasting punishment is a JW doctrine latched onto the modern church-so-called. At the White Throne Judgement, Hades will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

(Rev 20:11 [KJV])
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

(Rev 20:12 [KJV])
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

(Rev 20:13 [KJV])
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

(Rev 20:14 [KJV])
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

(Rev 20:15 [KJV])
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[oyster67]

What does that have to do with hell?

A lot. JW are famous for their denial of the Biblical Hell. Just like they are famous for their denial of the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who was and is 100% God as well as man.