HELL

[tek]

Baptists say that each person has a choice about Jesus whether to accept or reject him. But if we take a look at this verse

1 Corinthians 15:22 "As in Adam all die, in Christ ALL will be made alive.

Nobody has ever had a choice about Adam. I mean all people became sinners because of him. Why should then anyone have a choice about Jesus? Doesn’t seem to be fair.

Jesus is the second Adam and so just like all people became sinners because of first Adam all people might be saved because of second Adam.

 

[tek]

second Adam

 

[HeavenlyWarrior]

Baptists say that each person has a choice about Jesus whether to accept or reject him. But if we take a look at this verse

1 Corinthians 15:22 "As in Adam all die, in Christ ALL will be made alive.

Nobody has ever had a choice about Adam. I mean all people became sinners because of him. Why should then anyone have a choice about Jesus? Doesn’t seem to be fair.

Jesus is the second Adam and so just like all people became sinners because of first Adam all people might be saved because of second Adam.

The "choice" comes from God giving each and every person Free Will. Even the angels have free will according to God's laws.

But you are wrong in trying to equate Adam with Jesus. Adam was a mortal man. Jesus is Divine but born of an Earthly Mother. And fyi, people were Already Saved when Jesus died on the cross paying for our sins and later resurrected. We however, obtain formal salvation by becoming Born Again through Jesus Christ.

 

[nathan3]

Other scriptures in the new testament show that people have to choose Christ. You find that a running theme in the message. Taking those scriptures into account , we cant assume anything based on how we look at one scripture alone.

 

[tek]

The "choice" comes from God giving each and every person Free Will.

Are you sinner by free will? Have you inherited sinful nature by free will? Were you born from Adam by free will?

And fyi, people were Already Saved when Jesus died on the cross paying for our sins and later resurrected.

Who were already saved?

 

[tek]

Other scriptures in the new testament show that people have to choose Christ.

Did people choose to become sinners?

 

[crossnote]

With sticky issues like this the answer is usually nor either/or but a combination of both. e.g. We chose Him because He first chose us..but we still choose.
BTW not all Baptists are free will baptists, there are Calvinistic (Reformed) Baptists as well

 

[Disdame45]

I'm waiting to see how the original question is related to the topic hell.

For now, I'm going to choose to go to sleep.

I sure hope I don't make any stupid choices tomorrow when I wake up. I wish I were a robot, preprogrammed to think and behave. Then I wouldn't have to decide what to wear, what to eat, what to read, what to watch, what to do, what to believe...

 

[Trax]

Baptists say that each person has a choice about Jesus whether to accept or reject him. But if we take a look at this verse

1 Corinthians 15:22 "As in Adam all die, in Christ ALL will be made alive.

Nobody has ever had a choice about Adam. I mean all people became sinners because of him. Why should then anyone have a choice about Jesus? Doesn’t seem to be fair.

Jesus is the second Adam and so just like all people became sinners because of first Adam all people might be saved because of second Adam.

You were born, from Adam, thus you got the sin nature and later die. To get in Christ, you got to
be born again. See how it works? You get it from being born. If you aren't "born again", you still
stuck in Adam.

 

[tek]

With sticky issues like this the answer is usually nor either/or but a combination of both. e.g. We chose Him because He first chose us..

Do you personally believe that some people are predestined to go to Hell before they are even born?

 

[tek]

Trax: You were born, from Adam, thus you got the sin nature and later die. To get in Christ, you got to be born again.

So it might be that eventually ALL people will be saved and nobody will end up in Hell. And here is the verse
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

 

[tek]

I'm waiting to see how the original question is related to the topic hell.

My point is that nobody had to choose whether to be born from Adam or not . It just happened

Jesus is second Adam

Since nobody had a choice about first Adam why should anyone have a choice about second Adam?

So it might be that eventually ALL people will be saved and nobody will end up in Hell. And here are the verses

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

 

[tek]

that is what i mean

 

[Disdame45]

Ok Tek, I'm glad that I'm seeing how hell fits into the question.

The reason why I said I had choices to make is because I do, just like you and everyone else on this planet. Adam and Eve had choices to make. They chose to disobey God and follow the lies that Satan told them in the garden. Because of that disobedience, sin and death came into what had been a perfect world. Adam and Eve always had the ability to choose whether or not they would do the ONE thing they were told not to do. They blew it. Today, man has inherited the lies and the sinful nature of disobedience for that act, because do you think that if they had obeyed God the world would be in the state that it is in today? It took just one act of disobedience, one act of doubt, one act of disbelief in the truth to head in the wrong direction.
Sin has grown and festered throughout the ages to the point that today, the world is moaning and groaning under the weight of sin, waiting eagerly for the redemption when Jesus is revealed on that last day.

To get to the verse in question, 1 Cor. 15:22 - I don't believe it is saying that eventually everyone in the entire world will be saved because Jesus died on the cross and paid for our sins. If you look at the very next verse, BUT each one in his own order; Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who ARE Christ's at His coming. Only those who are IN CHRIST will be made alive and it will occur on that last day, when He returns. Consider John 3:16, which states that God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him shall not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE. Everyone who is IN Christ will be saved. Everyone who believes in Christ will be saved. Those who are continuing to live in the flesh and are not walking in the Spirit (born again) are still slaves to sin and will eventually face judgment and the second death, which is the lake of fire. They will perish. They will not inherit eternal life. We have two choices of reward and punishment here - eternal life or death.

That is the way it has always been. Obedience to God's will = life. (Obeying His commandments and having the faith of Jesus Christ)
Disobedience - sin = death

We are righteous before God when we hear His Word, believe in His salvation (Jesus Christ) and live our lives according to a renewed mind that comes from His Spirit abiding in us. We've always had choices and there will always be consequences for our deeds.

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

My point is that nobody had to choose whether to be born from Adam or not . It just happened

Jesus is second Adam

Since nobody had a choice about first Adam why should anyone have a choice about second Adam?

So it might be that eventually ALL people will be saved and nobody will end up in Hell. And here are the verses

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

Thats few scriptures taken out of context.u a universalist?

 

[babyboyblue]

So it might be that eventually ALL people will be saved and nobody will end up in Hell. And here is the verse
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

You didn't finish the verse:

Rom 5:13 ...

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Also 1 Cor 15 - Speaking of those (not all) who will be raised to in the first resurrection.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

All will be made alive - some to everlasting life, some to everlasting shame and contempt. (Dan 12:2)

 

[Trax]

So it might be that eventually ALL people will be saved and nobody will end up in Hell. And here is the verse
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

You got to be "BORN AGAIN" BEFORE you get in the "ALL". ALL those who are BORN AGAIN, are
ALL in Christ. If you aren't born again, you don't get a place in the ALL. All you are doing, is trying to
use logic and match wits with God.

 

[Trax]

My point is that nobody had to choose whether to be born from Adam or not . It just happened

Jesus is second Adam

Since nobody had a choice about first Adam why should anyone have a choice about second Adam?

Why even bother having the Bible, the Law, spreading the gospel etc, if everyone is going?
FEW, dude, are going. Few in number, that's NOT many. VERY few. Most are going into the lake of
fire. That's just the way it is. Most of the human race is not going to make it. Very few will.
Why, they basically have the same mindset you have, that is, "we all going..God will not do this to
me." God will not let you or anyone else in, because you don't want to accpet Jesus and be changed.
That old corrupt nature, people want to take it with them, and God says, "No, its not allowed
anymore." If He let people in, with the corrupt nature, we will be back to the sin and death in the
world again. You got to be born again, to get in.

 

[tek]

Consider John 3:16, which states that God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him shall not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE.

I see your point.
But someone might believe after death while in Hades and get saved?

 

[tek]

You got to be "BORN AGAIN" BEFORE you get in the "ALL"

ok, why can someone not be born again after death while he/she in “Hades”?