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Job 14:14 . . If a man dies, will he live again?

Back in ancient times; men like Job were attuned to nature. In point of fact,
Job was a very successful rancher; a guy who made his living working
outdoors.

Every year he watched things die in the Fall and come back in the Spring. If
only human life were like that; but alas, when people die they typically don't
regenerate like the new leaves on a dormant maple tree.

1Pet 1:24 . . All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of
the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of The Lord
stands forever.


Pop Clock Update: 3,385 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 198,296,685
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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FAQ: Folks not found registered in the Lamb's book of life are sent to the
second death per Rev 20:11-15. Will they be consumed by the brimstone
and gone forever?


REPLY: Adam was warned that were he to taste the forbidden fruit, he would
die that very day (Gen 2:17) and he did, but not in a way readily apparent.


Up to that moment, Adam enjoyed perpetual youth, but upon tasting the
fruit, he lost perpetual youth and began to age, i.e. his body became
infected with mortality, which is a lingering kind of death rather than the
kind of death where people drop dead to the floor of a sudden from strokes,
bullets, bludgeons, or falls from a very high building down onto solid
concrete.


In other words: Adam's death was an ongoing process that gradually wore
him down to the point where his body finally gave out, and he passed away.


By comparing the language and grammar of any and all passages related to
the second death, I think we can safely conclude that it too is a lingering
death that apparently will be a perpetual process with no definite end. (cf.
Isa 66:23-24)


Pop Clock Update: 3,391 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 198,648,171
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Death is the last enemy to be destroyed*.

*2673. katargeó

Strong's Concordance
katargeó: to render inoperative, abolish
Original Word: καταργέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katargeó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-arg-eh'-o)
Definition: to render inoperative, abolish
 

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Luke 16:27-29 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for
I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to
this place of torment.

The five brothers would more than likely recognize Lazarus because he was
laid at the rich man's gate; so that whenever they came over for a visit;
there he'd be for them to walk past.

I can well imagine that the men would be fascinated by Lazarus' tale but not
fascinated enough to make a difference because Abraham assured the rich
man that his brothers wouldn't believe Lazarus; and honestly: who in their
right mind would; especially a tale coming from a no-account indigent whose
body covered with sores very likely wasn't even given a decent burial but
instead dumped without ceremony in a landfill somewhere?


Pop Clock Update: 3,396 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 198,941,076
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Yahweh wasn't looking for people's religion on Passover night, nor was He
looking for people's piety and/or their conduct . He was looking for just one
thing, and one thing only: the blood.

That being the case, then had a Jewish family failed to apply the blood in the
proper manner, their first-born son would've been slain. On the other hand;
were an Egyptian family careful to apply the blood in the proper manner,
their son would've been spared because the The Lord is neither biased nor
prejudiced.

Along that same line; Jesus' blood will protect anybody and everybody who
applies it in the proper manner because he died for all; no exceptions
regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference. But many won't
be protected by his blood, because they will neglect to apply it at all, let
alone properly.


Pop Clock Update: 3,408 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 199,644,048
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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Although church attendance is oftentimes thought of as worship, in reality
it's not quite.

John 4:21 . . Jesus declared: Believe me, woman, a time is coming when
you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

* Jerusalem is the Temple site-- the very hub of worship --yet Jesus ranks it
below something far more important.

John 4:23 . . A time is coming, and has now come, when the true
worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth, for they are the kind of
worshipers the Father seeks.

The human spirit is inadequate for the level of worship Jesus spoke of, so;
it's necessary to infuse folks with God's spirit in order to bring them up to
speed, so to speak.

John 4:24 . . God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him
in Spirit and in truth.

Actually Jesus didn't introduce something new. The prophet Ezekiel predicted
that very thing something like 500 years before Jesus was born.

"I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries
and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you,
and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all
your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will
remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will
put My spirit in you and move you to follow My decrees and be careful to
keep My laws." (Ezek 36:24-27)


Pop Clock Update: 3,413 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 199,936,953
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It's down at the end of Lonely Street at
Heartbreak Hotel.

Although it's always crowded,
You still can find some room
For broken-hearted lovers
To cry there in their gloom.

That song, by Elvis Presley back in 1956, was very popular; and useful for
depicting some of the conditions folks might expect in the netherworld
should they end up on the wrong side of things. For example: just as Elvis'
hotel always has a vacancy, so the netherworld too.

Prov 30:15-16 . . There are three things that will not be satisfied-- four
that will not say, "Enough"

One of the four listed in that passage is Sheol, a.k.a. Hades which in
Hellenistic culture spoke of the netherworld: a place in which all the dead
were warehoused: both the good dead and the bad dead regardless of age,
race, gender, or religious preference.

And then there's "cry there in their gloom"

Matt 13:40-42 . . As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the
fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The son of man shall send forth
his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there
shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Pop Clock Update: 3,418 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 200,229,858
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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Is it not about what man is capable of doing with his life that exists is all mankind.

Should i only be concerned by the wrong I can do with his life or the wrong others can do with his life.
 

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Heb 6:4-6 . . For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened,
who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have
tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if
they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are
crucifying the Son of God afresh and subjecting him to public disgrace.


We know that with God nothing is impossible. So, I think we have to
acquiesce that the impossibility spoken of here is so because God has made
it His mission in life, so to speak, to assure that folks blessed with the level
of advantages spoken of here are never to be given an opportunity to
reconsider-- ever. The die is cast; e.g. Judas Iscariot. (cf. Prov 1:20-33)


Pop Clock Update: 3,424 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 200,581,344
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.


NOTE: 200,581,344 may seem like a very large number at first glance but it
only amounts to something like 1/40th the globe's current world population,
i.e. 2.5%
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Heb 6:4-6 . . For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened,
who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have
tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if
they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are
crucifying the Son of God afresh and subjecting him to public disgrace.


We know that with God nothing is impossible. So, I think we have to
acquiesce that the impossibility spoken of here is so because God has made
it His mission in life, so to speak, to assure that folks blessed with the level
of advantages spoken of here are never to be given an opportunity to
reconsider-- ever. The die is cast; e.g. Judas Iscariot. (cf. Prov 1:20-33)


Pop Clock Update: 3,424 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 200,581,344
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.


NOTE: 200,581,344 may seem like a very large number at first glance but it
only amounts to something like 1/40th the globe's current world population,
i.e. 2.5%
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Are you worried about someone in particular
 

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Matt 13:10 . . And the disciples came and said to him: Why do you speak
to them in parables? It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the
kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Jesus answered their inquiry by referring to an incident in the 6th chapter of
Isaiah's prophecy wherein God had lost interest in numbers of His people
because they had lost interest in Him.

The Jews' spiritual condition was little different in Jesus' day, i.e. many were
called but few chosen, and that's because the many were indifferent; which
is not the appropriate response.

1Sam 3:19 . .The Lord was with Samuel as he grew up, and he let none of
His words fall to the ground.


Pop Clock Update: 3,429 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 200,874,249
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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I'd imagine the hardest part about Heaven is not getting there, but staying
there.

Some years ago it occurred to me that it's very easy for me to live in this
world, but Heaven would require a level of piety and self control that I was
pretty sure I couldn't keep up forever. Sooner or later I'd mess up and get
thrown out. But if it were just as easy for me to live in Heaven as it is for me
to live in this world, then for sure I'd never get thrown out of Heaven.

In other words: if only thinking, feeling, and acting like God came just as
natural to me as thinking, feeling, and acting like a human; then that would
be the cat's meow.


Pop Clock Update: 3,438 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 201,401,478
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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FAQ: What is meant by soul?

REPLY: Soul began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the
Hebrew word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life. Its first
appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged
creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies,
and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again
at Gen 9:10 to classify every living thing aboard Noah's ark.

* God is said to have a soul. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1,
Jer 32:41, and Zech 11:8)

Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self
awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g.
Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4.

All in all, soul is just another way of referring to that part of sentient life that
we call "self" which can be roughly defined as the element of our existence
that makes us unique.

Jesus' followers can expect to retain their souls when they pass on, but
things are not looking good for the lost. According to Matt 10:28, people's
souls survive normal death, but do not survive Hell fire.


NOTE: Apparently the rich man of Luke 16:19-31 wasn't in the Hell fire yet
when he spoke with Abraham because he's depicted as completely sentient.


Pop Clock Update: 3,443 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 201,694,383
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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Deut 34:5-6 . . Moses the servant of The Lord died there in the land of
Moab, according to the word of The Lord. And He buried him in the valley in
the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to
this day.

A very curious scene unfolded during Moses' burial. The Devil argued with
Michael the archangel about Moses' body. (Jude 9)

It's been suggested that the Devil objected to secrecy. In other words; it's
possible that he wanted Moses' body enshrined in a sort of Church of the
Holy Sepulcher where the Jews could be lured into idolatry by adoring Moses'
remains as a sacred relic. That's actually a very plausible suggestion. For
example: there's a statue of the apostle Peter in Rome whose big toe has
been eroded over the years by the lips of pilgrims kissing it. (cf. 2Kings
18:4)

Anyway; if the Devil would interfere with the burial of a holy man like Moses,
then I think we can safely assume he (or one of his minions) probably
interferes with the burials of ordinary folk too; and I should think the
smartest way for him to interfere is to ensure the minister comes out with
nothing useful in his eulogy; but instead with the usual mushy rhetoric by
which nobody hearing it can be moved to consider their afterlife prospects.
(Just goes to show that the Devil is not above walking over the bones of the
dead to get what he wants.)[/font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,448 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 201,987,288
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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God prohibits dishonesty.

Lev 19:11 . . You shall not deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

I think it's probably safe to posit that more liars are now, and more liars will
be, in Hell than any other category simply because deceit, deception, fraud,
hoax, fibs, cover ups, slander, malicious gossip, propaganda, dissembling,
cheating, false impressions, pretense, scams, sophistry, double-speak,
rumors, half truths, and perjury are far more common.

Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

Living in a world of liars below shouldn't be much different than living in a
world of liars up here so that folks who end up down there should fit right in;
requiring only minimal adjustment.


Pop Clock Update: 3,453 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 202,280,193
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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Ps 73:3-17 . . I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of
the wicked. Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their
end.

Matt 16:26 . . For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world,
and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

It's been my observation that many of the powerful folks controlling
education, finance, manufacturing, governance, entertainment, food
production, health care, pharmaceuticals, print media and broadcast news,
etc, are quite lacking scruples, and conduct their affairs as if they're
autonomous sovereigns with no one to answer to beyond the sphere of their
existence; indifferent that the path of their success is leading them down a
road of no return.


Pop Clock Update: 3,458 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 202,573,098
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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1Pet 1:24 All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of The Lord stands forever.

Isaiah 40:6B-8
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I was raised a Roman Catholic, which is a complicated religion.

Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and
Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them
accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for: the
Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions, the
Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation, and
the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught in
the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus
Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with
just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go
straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a
Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years,
none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if
they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

In addition; the Almighty isn't a political appointee like members of the US
Supreme Court, viz: He isn't biased towards the left or to the right, i.e. the
justice of God is fair across the board regardless of age, race, gender and/or
religious preference, so that affiliation with The Church grants no one a
certain amount of special consideration. (Rom 2:6-11, and 1Pet 1:17)

And the irony of it all; the supreme irony, is that Catholicism's hierarchy-- its
priests, nuns, Monsignors. Cardinals, and Popes --are in just as much danger
of failing to make the cut as rank and file pew warmers; in point of fact:
according to Luke 12:47-48 and Jas 3:1, they may be in even greater
danger.

* My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and was a Friar when he
passed away back in 2018. I often wonder about his present circumstances
because there are no guarantees in that religion. My concern isn't helped by
the fact that in later years he questioned whether the classic version of Hell
really exists.


Pop Clock Update: 3,464 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 202,924,584
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 10, 2014.
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