His Elect !

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Romans 5:18 says,

Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to ALL men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to ALL men, resulting in Justification of life.

Jesus was the only elected One by God from the foundation of the world who could satisfy God the Father's requirement for righteousness. Those who choice to place their faith and trust in Him who was sent by God the Father share in this election, therefore they are called of the elect. God knew from the foundation of the world that He would gain sons and daughters through blood of Jesus Christ our savior, this is the election, the church from the very beginning of time.
 
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Bookends said:
Romans 5:18 says,

Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to ALL men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to ALL men, resulting in Justification of life.

Jesus was the only elected One by God from the foundation of the world who could satisfy God the Father's requirement for righteousness. Those who choice to place their faith and trust in Him who was sent by God the Father share in this election, therefore they are called of the elect. God knew from the foundation of the world that He would gain sons and daughters through blood of Jesus Christ our savior, this is the election, the church from the very beginning of time.
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Posts 19 and 20, did you read them ?
 
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svedbygrace said:
Posts 19 and 20, did you read them ?
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Yes, God foreordained and predestined that He will have a following, whether you call them Jacob, Israel or the Church, its all the same. There has always been 1 people of God. This does not mean that God hand picked those individuals in His following, Jacob, Israel or the Church. It does not mean that God is causal agent behind whether one, an individual, becomes a Child of God, even though God has the foreknowledge.

It's always been a personal choice we need to make, because God loves us all equally:

Joshua 24:15

New King James Version (NKJV)

15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
 
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Yes,
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Then rehearse the points I made, explain them to me as I explained them so I know you understood them as I did !
 
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I don't understand them as you do, I think you read into them that God personally picks some people to go to hell and some to go to heaven.
 
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I don't understand them as you do, I think you read into them that God personally picks some people to go to hell and some to go to heaven.
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Then why discuss if you don't understand them or want to rehearse them with me ?
 
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Then why discuss if you don't understand them or want to rehearse them with me ?
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Are are a twister of words, trying to confuse and distort my words. I didn't say I didn't understand them, I said I don't understand them AS YOU DO? Meaning I don't hold to your interpretation. If you wish to continue a dialog you must stop your childish behavior and become humble in your understanding of Scripture. If you don't, I am done conversing with you.
 
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Are are a twister of words, trying to confuse and distort my words. I didn't say I didn't understand them, I said I don't understand them AS YOU DO? Meaning I don't hold to your interpretation. If you wish to continue a dialog you must stop your childish behavior and become humble in your understanding of Scripture. If you don't, I am done conversing with you.
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Evasion, you not talking about nothing ! Learn how to read my comments with understanding so you can intelligently discuss them with me !
 
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The Angels serve as an Example of Divine Election !


Paul writes of the Elect Angels 1 Tim 5:21

21I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

If there are elect Angels, this presupposes there were non elect ones as well. It appears with these creatures as well God made a Sovereign Choice of them who would be vessels of Honor and those who would be vessels of dishonor. The elect Angels who maintained there integrity were made vessels of Honor to serve His Holy Purposes, but the non elect angels He made to rebel with their leader and apostatize to also serve His Purpose. Rev 12:4

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

In regards to these apostate creatures we read 2 Pet 2:4

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

But these were different from those of the Elect Angels, the Election of Grace among them, for because of their Election they were confirmed in their Holiness. Their election was before their Holiness, hence securing it, just as some men are by election, Chosen unto Holiness Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And note, the none elect angels that rebelled, God had no mercy on them. This is vital because many religionists appeal to God as being too merciful and too loving to punish sinners everlastingly, but this account refutes that heresy, for are not angels His creatures ? Was God not still Love, even though He obviously did not Love these rebellious creatures to be merciful unto them for their sin ? The Chosen among Men partake of His Great Love and Mercy in spite of their Sin Eph 2:4-5

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

But, God chose not to show this rich mercy and great Love to the sinning angels. Could He if He so willed ? Yes He could have, but He chose not to. Was He still a God of Love as Per 1 John 4:8

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

But that fact did not obligate God to Love and be merciful to those angels, as well as it does not obligate God to be Love and be merciful to non elect men and women who have sinned also. So it is, we have an biblical example of Election with the Angels, and so it is with men.10
 
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