Historical use of the word Ekklesia

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Shamah

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My church is starting a church wide study on "the priorities of Jesus".
What would "the priorities of Jesus" have to do with Romans decrees or even "missionary/ecclesia teams" if they had existed in any form teaching true doctrine...

Yahshua/Jesus says to follow Him and His words.... Seems like a distraction from the Messiah to me?

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
 
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The Scriptures you offered do not prove my post to be wrong.
The definition given in Strong's as THE CHURCH violates the original meaning of the word.
And yes, glory is to be given to Him in the Ekklesia, LOCAL CHURCH.
Paul addressed LOCAL CHURCHES.
In revelation, Jesus addressed seven LOCAL CHURCHES, not THE CHURCH.
Just as there are saved folks who do not always live a Christian life, there are saved folks who are children of God but have never been part of a LOCAL CHURCH. There are many on this forum.
I like to stay with the original meaning of words, not definitions added by men.
local, visible body <---ekklesia
 

Nehemiah6

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And each of these Scriptures can and do refer to each and every LOCAL CHURCH.
When Jesus was on earth, His presence was limited to where His fleshly body was.
He could not be in two places at the same time.
Each local church is His Body in the local community it ministers.
This response is typical of those who give a hoot about what Scripture really says, and continue to promote their muddled doctrines. It is rare indeed to have Christians admitting to their false doctrines even after Scriptures are presented. And discerning Christians know what is really behind such intransigence.

You would have done yourself, and everyone else, a service by simply admitting that you were wrong, and that the word ekklesia applies either to a local church or the entire Church, which is the Body and Bride of Christ (all the saints of God), as clearly spelled out in Ephesians 5.
 

Nehemiah6

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Each local church is His Body in the local community it ministers.
Since every local church will have genuine Christians as well as mere professors (or tares, or false prophets, false teachers, false apostles, or false brethren ), this is PATENTLY FALSE. Only those who are truly saved are within the Body of Christ.

REVELATION 2
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and
how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: (EVIL DOERS, FALSE APOSTLES AND LIARS WITHIN THIS LOCAL CHURCH)
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. (FALSE TEACHERS WITHIN THIS LOCAL CHURCH)
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
 
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SpoonJuly

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This response is typical of those who give a hoot about what Scripture really says, and continue to promote their muddled doctrines. It is rare indeed to have Christians admitting to their false doctrines even after Scriptures are presented. And discerning Christians know what is really behind such intransigence.

You would have done yourself, and everyone else, a service by simply admitting that you were wrong, and that the word ekklesia applies either to a local church or the entire Church, which is the Body and Bride of Christ (all the saints of God), as clearly spelled out in Ephesians 5.
When I have been proven wrong, I will admit my error.
It is obvious that you will not.