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J
It would be of help, if you would post the verse, or verses you are asking about. I am guessing, from what you are describing is that or those which Ezekiel was striving to describe. Actually, 'ol Ezekiel was trying to do the best he could with what he had, as far as his depicting (how can I say it) "technologies" to which he absolutely had no clue. so, he could only relate it to that which he did know.
One could liken it, I suppose, to an aircraft carrier with support vessels. As far as "formation" goes.
One could liken it, I suppose, to an aircraft carrier with support vessels. As far as "formation" goes.
[FONT="]It would be of help, if you would post the verse, or verses you are asking about. I am guessing, from what you are describing is that or those which Ezekiel was striving to describe. Actually, 'ol Ezekiel was trying to do the best he could with what he had, as far as his depicting (how can I say it) "technologies" to which he absolutely had no clue. so, he could only relate it to that which he did know.
One could liken it, I suppose, to an aircraft carrier with support vessels. As far as "formation" goes.[/FONT]
One could liken it, I suppose, to an aircraft carrier with support vessels. As far as "formation" goes.
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Revelation 4
6In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:
“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’[SUP][b][/SUP]
who was, and is, and is to come.”
...And to John in Revelation? Something that "moved" might be seen as alive, to him. While "Having eyes all around?"...Could be seen (pun intended, I suppose...lol)....as windows, or portholes, in a vehicle, as we might consider such a description today. The 6 wings, might be engines of some sort, as they were used in making the vehicle "mobile", or "alive". The "crying out" of "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come!" Could be some kind of P.A. system, where the occupants inside, "spelled" each other off! Kind of like "Shift-Work."
As to why 4 vehicles, and who was inside? and, if I'm even giving plausible insight, to any of this? Heck man!...I don't know!
As to why 4 vehicles, and who was inside? and, if I'm even giving plausible insight, to any of this? Heck man!...I don't know!
...And to John in Revelation? Something that "moved" might be seen as alive, to him. While "Having eyes all around?"...Could be seen (pun intended, I suppose...lol)....as windows, or portholes, in a vehicle, as we might consider such a description today. The 6 wings, might be engines of some sort, as they were used in making the vehicle "mobile", or "alive". The "crying out" of "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come!" Could be some kind of P.A. system, where the occupants inside, "spelled" each other off! Kind of like "Shift-Work."
As to why 4 vehicles, and who was inside? and, if I'm even giving plausible insight, to any of this? Heck man!...I don't know!
As to why 4 vehicles, and who was inside? and, if I'm even giving plausible insight, to any of this? Heck man!...I don't know!
What it seems like to me is that the creatures in Revelation are really living beings, but animalistic and instinctive, as if programmed or created to do this one thing only. So in that sense, I could imagine them being like living machines, but not lifeless technology such as something man-made.
Also, we have to contend with the fact that satan is a living being and also called a cherub. I would imagine he'd be similar to the angels or creatures described in Ezekiel and Revelation, as well as the cherubs guarding Eden.
May GOD bless you Jaime,
Remember
it is very easy to have faith when everyrhing is going well
another thing completely when things aren't and theboath before us looks very dark and we can't see where we are going
Remember
GOD doesn't change
We do
and it's in these seasons that we must hold to THE TESTIMONY of JESUS and trust by faith that HE is leading us and will never forsake us
thats Mature faith
Faith directed in and on HIM in all seasons
remember Paul learned to be content
and remenber
we walk by faith and not by sight
thats a faith not based on a lower carnal validation of an immature faith by how we feel, what we see, what we hear
its not based on our emorions
its based on HIM and our trusting in HIS FAITHFULNESS in and ur of seasons
It's not a passive work in our part we have to learn to be still and know that HE is GOD
The only work that we need to "do" is to REMAIN in HIM and to not go out ftom
HIM
Not by power or by might, sayeth THE LORD
But by HIS SPIRIT
In seasons of Job, we will make manifest if we knew of whose SPIRIT we truly are of
Remember
it is very easy to have faith when everyrhing is going well
another thing completely when things aren't and theboath before us looks very dark and we can't see where we are going
Remember
GOD doesn't change
We do
and it's in these seasons that we must hold to THE TESTIMONY of JESUS and trust by faith that HE is leading us and will never forsake us
thats Mature faith
Faith directed in and on HIM in all seasons
remember Paul learned to be content
and remenber
we walk by faith and not by sight
thats a faith not based on a lower carnal validation of an immature faith by how we feel, what we see, what we hear
its not based on our emorions
its based on HIM and our trusting in HIS FAITHFULNESS in and ur of seasons
It's not a passive work in our part we have to learn to be still and know that HE is GOD
The only work that we need to "do" is to REMAIN in HIM and to not go out ftom
HIM
Not by power or by might, sayeth THE LORD
But by HIS SPIRIT
In seasons of Job, we will make manifest if we knew of whose SPIRIT we truly are of
I can definitely see what you're saying, but what turns me off to the idea of it being technology is that the four creatures in Revelation are in heaven. Maybe God has built some worship machines, but I don't think so
What it seems like to me is that the creatures in Revelation are really living beings, but animalistic and instinctive, as if programmed or created to do this one thing only. So in that sense, I could imagine them being like living machines, but not lifeless technology such as something man-made.
Also, we have to contend with the fact that satan is a living being and also called a cherub. I would imagine he'd be similar to the angels or creatures described in Ezekiel and Revelation, as well as the cherubs guarding Eden.
What it seems like to me is that the creatures in Revelation are really living beings, but animalistic and instinctive, as if programmed or created to do this one thing only. So in that sense, I could imagine them being like living machines, but not lifeless technology such as something man-made.
Also, we have to contend with the fact that satan is a living being and also called a cherub. I would imagine he'd be similar to the angels or creatures described in Ezekiel and Revelation, as well as the cherubs guarding Eden.
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The same problem I have trying to picture Jehovah.
He is one, and yet, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. How does that work out?
I think the idea is to assume they (God and angels) aren't us, they aren't of earth, and it's a good reason not to make graven images. We spend far too much time on our imaginations. (Not a put down. I sometimes try to picture it too, but have discovered how much time I've wasted trying to imagine what can't be imagined.)
He is one, and yet, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. How does that work out?
I think the idea is to assume they (God and angels) aren't us, they aren't of earth, and it's a good reason not to make graven images. We spend far too much time on our imaginations. (Not a put down. I sometimes try to picture it too, but have discovered how much time I've wasted trying to imagine what can't be imagined.)
[FONT="]Just as Ezekiel and John, did the best they could with what they had? If given a chance they had, in fact ACTUALLY SEEING? I MIGHT could describes it better?...Perhaps not, though! But, me believing that "Blessed are those that see, and believe", in comparison with, "More blessed are those who have not seen, YET believe?"....Methinks, I could use the more "blessedness!"....[/FONT]
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Hi Jaime and welcome to CC! No worries, you've posted in the correct forum. This is bible discussion after all and the cherubs in Ezekiel is being discussed.
I recently studied Ezekiel and found it fascinating. All I can say is that they're supernatural beings of God's creation and I believe that they are pictures of God's character in many ways. For instance, the eyes revealing God's omniscience.
You might like to watch this short video.
<font size="3"><span style="font-family:verdana;">[video=youtube;EKh_U2NnIs8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKh_U2NnIs8[/video]
I recently studied Ezekiel and found it fascinating. All I can say is that they're supernatural beings of God's creation and I believe that they are pictures of God's character in many ways. For instance, the eyes revealing God's omniscience.
You might like to watch this short video.
<font size="3"><span style="font-family:verdana;">[video=youtube;EKh_U2NnIs8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKh_U2NnIs8[/video]
Still not getting it. You have to excuse my idiocy right now. I haven't had much sleep in a while. I agree we are just men, and I doubt I could describe what they saw any better had I seen it myself. All I'm saying here is just conjecture on my part anyway. Just thinking outloud (or in text I guess). I think they are interesting additions to scripture and it would be cool to be able to understand what they are and what their purpose is.
I honestly haven't got a clue what the authors saw, but the bible does say they are living beings, that much I can say I believe if I take scripture at its word. Hence why I disagree with them being some kind of technology.
Satan is called a cherub by scripture as well, so unless satan is some kind of technology or abstract non-living construct, then I have to assume these are living creatures just as satan is since they are all given the name cherub/cherubim.
I realize as well that some people fall into the trap of claiming Ezekiel is talking about UFOs and aliens which is absurd, and also one more reason for me to reject the technology idea.
I honestly haven't got a clue what the authors saw, but the bible does say they are living beings, that much I can say I believe if I take scripture at its word. Hence why I disagree with them being some kind of technology.
Satan is called a cherub by scripture as well, so unless satan is some kind of technology or abstract non-living construct, then I have to assume these are living creatures just as satan is since they are all given the name cherub/cherubim.
I realize as well that some people fall into the trap of claiming Ezekiel is talking about UFOs and aliens which is absurd, and also one more reason for me to reject the technology idea.
J
ez. 28 : 14 +
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.