"Holy Bible taught by the HOLY SPIRIT."

[just-me]

Jesus said he would send the Comforter. So the Spirit of God comes through Him. I know we will all agree on that, so we can say we receive the understanding of the Word, by the Holy Spirit given to us through, and by the Word. The Bible is the Word of God.

John 1:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

So that shouldn't be too hard to understand. The Spirit is given through the Word, and by the Word, not the other way around. We would never be able to receive the Spirit of God except by the Word. The Spirit doesn't teach us the Word, the Word teaches us of the Holy Spirit and is sent to us through the Word.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

The precious Holy Spirit is amazing without Him there is no Hope in relating or communicating to God or Jesus HE IS The closest one of the God unity now while we race to Heaven. I also pray the most intimate and comforting until our redemption when we see Jesus. I love you Holy Spirit for ministering Jesus and the Father to me come down upon us and open our hearts every day in every way and perfect Jesus in us.
The Amazing Comforter Holy Spirit is our personal administrator of the fullness of God in us to fully please God by perfecting Jesus in us this is the New Contract and New Birth that cannot be accomplished by pretending or obeying laws or rules of the Old Contract or observation of manmade rules of religions or Christian denominations. Only asking opening our hearts and souls to receive and do as we are His temple in the following:

The Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost have the same origin of words.
Gava (to breath out) mentioned of Abraham’s last breath.
Then we have Nephesh mentioned in Job and Jeremiah. The Greek Pneuma Mt. 27:50 translates spirit. Ekpeneo and ekpsucho in the Greek we derive into the word gast or Ghost: which is an intimate inhabitant and guest. An intimate inhabitant that is present by and with our breath in our body.

Different measures of the Holy Spirit concerning mankind.
Mosaic portion Num. 11
Mosaic portion that was distributed to 71 men Num. 11
Elijah portion 2 kings 2
Double portion of Elijah 2 kings 2
Elijah portion upon John the Baptist Luke 1

Earnest of The Spirit 2 cor. 1, 5, 1 John 4, Phil 1:19
Unlimited Measure Jn. 3, Isa. 11, 42, 61, Luke 4, Acts 10
Spirit Baptism Measure Mt. 3, Luke. 3, Jn. 1, Acts 1, 2, 10, 11, 15, 19, Gal. 3
The Fullness of God Eph. 3, Ro. 15
Rivers of Living Water Jn. 7
Fullness of the Spirit and endowment of Power on High Luke 24, Jn. 14

The Holy Spirit can be taken from mankind Psalms 51
“ departed from Saul 1 Sam. 16

Effects of the out pouring of the Holy Spirit Zechariah 12:10-13:1
The Holy Spirit of Grace
“ Supplication (pleading)
“ Recognition of Jesus as the Messiah
“ Morning
“ Bitterness and remorse
“ Personal and private v.11-14
“ Forgiveness and cleansing Ch. 13

The Holy Spirit also: Is the Spirit of Adaption of us to the Father Ro. 8
He moved upon the waters of this earth to restore perfect Biological life Gen. 1, Psalms 104:30
Speaks by men through their voices 2 Sam 23, Mt. 22, 1 Tim. 4
Can carry mankind’s physical body instantaneously 1 Ki. 18, 2 Ki. 2, Ezk. 3, 8, 11, 24, 43. Acts 8.
Reveals things through men 1 Chron. 28, Acts 11, 2 Corth. 2
Can come in the mist of people 2 Chron. 20
Instructs men Neh. 9
Testifies Neh. 9, Jn. 15, 1 Jn. 5
Garnished the Universes and atmospheres Job 26
Made Man Job 33
He is a free Spirit Psalms 51
He can be provoked Psalms 106
He is omnipresent not omni bodied Psalms 139
Judges and purges Isa. 4
Can rest and remain on mankind Isa. 11, Mt 3, John 1
Has absolute Godly Wisdom, understanding, counsel and might Isa. 11
He is equal with Jesus and the Father by sending the Son Isa. 48
Lifts up a standard against satan Isa. 59
Anointed the Messiah Isa. 61, Luke 4
Can be vexed Isa. 63
Can enter into mankind Ez. 2, 3
Can fall upon Ez. 11
Makes mankind full of power Mic. 3

The Holy Spirit affects mankind with grace and prayers of supplication Zech. 12, 13, Eph. 6, Heb. 10.

He can descend Mt 3, Jn. 1.
He leads mankind Mt. 4, Lk2, 4, Ro. 8
HE CASTS out devils Mt. 12
He is given to mankind by the Father God Luke 11
He administrates the New Birth Jn. 3 Gal. 4
He Quickens and livens Jn. 6
The Holy Spirit can flow out of your inner most spirit person Jn. 7
He is the Spirit of Truth Jn. 14, 15, 16, 1 Jn. 4, 5
He proceeds from the Father and the Son Jn. 15
Natural mankind (who is merely physical or under the world or old covenant ) cannot receive Him Jn. 14, Ro. 8.
He abides among men forever Jn. 14
He is the teacher of all things Jn. 14
Brings Jesus’ words and works to your remembrance Jn. 14
Reproves the society (world) of sin and condemnation and judgment Jn. 16
He imparts supernatural spiritual power unto mankind Luke 24, Acts 1.
He will pour Himself out in the Last Days before Jesus returns to this earth Acts 2
He can be tempted Acts 5:9
He speaks to men Acts 8, 10
He directs The Gospel work Acts 11, Rev. 2, 3
He is the Holy Spirit of Holiness Romans 1
Makes mankind free from sin and death Ro. 8, 12-13
He dwells only in believers of Jesus Christ Savior and Lord Ro. 8.
He raised Jesus from the dead Ro. 8 1 Pt. 3
He is the one that mortifies the sins of the flesh Ro. 8
He bears witness of our son ship to God Ro. 8
He helps in prayer Ro.8
He has a mind of His own Ro. 8
He Works miracles through believers Ro. 15, 1 Cor. 12, Heb. 2
He Imparts Agape Love Ro. 5, 15
He knows the things of God 1 Cor. 2
Mankind is foolish (dull, ignorant) about The Holy Spirit 1 Cor. 2
He dwells in union with. He does not bodily enter into mankind’s body or mankind’s spirit 1 Cor. 3 & 7.
He makes mankind new creatures (spiritual beings) in Christ Jesus 1 Cor. 6, 2 Cor. 5
He puts spiritual abilities in mankind’s spirit and soul 1 Cor. 12
He speaks mysteries through believers in Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 14
He baptizes believers into the body of Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 12
He writes on the fleshly tablets of the inner soul and spiritual heart 2 Cor. 3
He gives Life 2 Cor. 3 Rev. 11
He gives Liberty 2 Cor. 3
He shapes and forms mankind to the image and likeness of Jesus 2 Cor. 3
He is received by faith not by works Gal. 2
He is the source of our Hope Gal. 5
We walk in him to overcome the flesh Gal. 5, Ro. 8
He puts in us the character of God Gal. 5
He is the source of true harvest Gal.6
He seals us until the final redemption of our physical bodies become immortal Eph. 1, 4
He gives access to God the Father Eph. 2
God dwells in mankind by the Holy Spirit Eph. 2
He strengthens the inner spirit and soul inside mankind’s physical body Eph. 3
He is needed to maintain believers in the unity of Him. Eph. 4
He is one Single persona an individual God entirely of Himself and no other mixture of concepts or ideas. Eph. 6
He has a two edged sword which are all the words of Jesus Eph. 6
He gives Himself for fellowship to others along with fellowship of one believer to another Phil. 2
He can be quenched 1Th. 5
He is the source of sanctification 1 Th. 2, 1 Pt. 1
“ justification 1 Tim. 3
He is Eternal Heb. 9
He can be publically insulted by mankind (any man publically testifying to other mankind that He the Holy Spirits' works are from satan) wounding Him to the degree He leaves crying and thus the offender is never forgiven Mt. 12, Heb. 10.
He helps believers obey the truth 1 Pt. 1
The Holy Spirit Invites Mankind to God Rev. 22
Peace and Joy be to all in Christ Jesus from the Precious Holy Spirit until we are brought to Jesus and our Heavenly Father.

 

[homwardbound]

The precious Holy Spirit is amazing without Him there is no Hope in relating or communicating to God or Jesus HE IS The closest one of the God unity now while we race to Heaven. I also pray the most intimate and comforting until our redemption when we see Jesus. I love you Holy Spirit for ministering Jesus and the Father to me come down upon us and open our hearts every day in every way and perfect Jesus in us.
The Amazing Comforter Holy Spirit is our personal administrator of the fullness of God in us to fully please God by perfecting Jesus in us this is the New Contract and New Birth that cannot be accomplished by pretending or obeying laws or rules of the Old Contract or observation of manmade rules of religions or Christian denominations. Only asking opening our hearts and souls to receive and do as we are His temple in the following:

The Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost have the same origin of words.
Gava (to breath out) mentioned of Abraham’s last breath.
Then we have Nephesh mentioned in Job and Jeremiah. The Greek Pneuma Mt. 27:50 translates spirit. Ekpeneo and ekpsucho in the Greek we derive into the word gast or Ghost: which is an intimate inhabitant and guest. An intimate inhabitant that is present by and with our breath in our body.

Different measures of the Holy Spirit concerning mankind.
Mosaic portion Num. 11
Mosaic portion that was distributed to 71 men Num. 11
Elijah portion 2 kings 2
Double portion of Elijah 2 kings 2
Elijah portion upon John the Baptist Luke 1

Earnest of The Spirit 2 cor. 1, 5, 1 John 4, Phil 1:19
Unlimited Measure Jn. 3, Isa. 11, 42, 61, Luke 4, Acts 10
Spirit Baptism Measure Mt. 3, Luke. 3, Jn. 1, Acts 1, 2, 10, 11, 15, 19, Gal. 3
The Fullness of God Eph. 3, Ro. 15
Rivers of Living Water Jn. 7
Fullness of the Spirit and endowment of Power on High Luke 24, Jn. 14

The Holy Spirit can be taken from mankind Psalms 51
“ departed from Saul 1 Sam. 16

Effects of the out pouring of the Holy Spirit Zechariah 12:10-13:1
The Holy Spirit of Grace
“ Supplication (pleading)
“ Recognition of Jesus as the Messiah
“ Morning
“ Bitterness and remorse
“ Personal and private v.11-14
“ Forgiveness and cleansing Ch. 13

The Holy Spirit also: Is the Spirit of Adaption of us to the Father Ro. 8
He moved upon the waters of this earth to restore perfect Biological life Gen. 1, Psalms 104:30
Speaks by men through their voices 2 Sam 23, Mt. 22, 1 Tim. 4
Can carry mankind’s physical body instantaneously 1 Ki. 18, 2 Ki. 2, Ezk. 3, 8, 11, 24, 43. Acts 8.
Reveals things through men 1 Chron. 28, Acts 11, 2 Corth. 2
Can come in the mist of people 2 Chron. 20
Instructs men Neh. 9
Testifies Neh. 9, Jn. 15, 1 Jn. 5
Garnished the Universes and atmospheres Job 26
Made Man Job 33
He is a free Spirit Psalms 51
He can be provoked Psalms 106
He is omnipresent not omni bodied Psalms 139
Judges and purges Isa. 4
Can rest and remain on mankind Isa. 11, Mt 3, John 1
Has absolute Godly Wisdom, understanding, counsel and might Isa. 11
He is equal with Jesus and the Father by sending the Son Isa. 48
Lifts up a standard against satan Isa. 59
Anointed the Messiah Isa. 61, Luke 4
Can be vexed Isa. 63
Can enter into mankind Ez. 2, 3
Can fall upon Ez. 11
Makes mankind full of power Mic. 3

The Holy Spirit affects mankind with grace and prayers of supplication Zech. 12, 13, Eph. 6, Heb. 10.

He can descend Mt 3, Jn. 1.
He leads mankind Mt. 4, Lk2, 4, Ro. 8
HE CASTS out devils Mt. 12
He is given to mankind by the Father God Luke 11
He administrates the New Birth Jn. 3 Gal. 4
He Quickens and livens Jn. 6
The Holy Spirit can flow out of your inner most spirit person Jn. 7
He is the Spirit of Truth Jn. 14, 15, 16, 1 Jn. 4, 5
He proceeds from the Father and the Son Jn. 15
Natural mankind (who is merely physical or under the world or old covenant ) cannot receive Him Jn. 14, Ro. 8.
He abides among men forever Jn. 14
He is the teacher of all things Jn. 14
Brings Jesus’ words and works to your remembrance Jn. 14
Reproves the society (world) of sin and condemnation and judgment Jn. 16
He imparts supernatural spiritual power unto mankind Luke 24, Acts 1.
He will pour Himself out in the Last Days before Jesus returns to this earth Acts 2
He can be tempted Acts 5:9
He speaks to men Acts 8, 10
He directs The Gospel work Acts 11, Rev. 2, 3
He is the Holy Spirit of Holiness Romans 1
Makes mankind free from sin and death Ro. 8, 12-13
He dwells only in believers of Jesus Christ Savior and Lord Ro. 8.
He raised Jesus from the dead Ro. 8 1 Pt. 3
He is the one that mortifies the sins of the flesh Ro. 8
He bears witness of our son ship to God Ro. 8
He helps in prayer Ro.8
He has a mind of His own Ro. 8
He Works miracles through believers Ro. 15, 1 Cor. 12, Heb. 2
He Imparts Agape Love Ro. 5, 15
He knows the things of God 1 Cor. 2
Mankind is foolish (dull, ignorant) about The Holy Spirit 1 Cor. 2
He dwells in union with. He does not bodily enter into mankind’s body or mankind’s spirit 1 Cor. 3 & 7.
He makes mankind new creatures (spiritual beings) in Christ Jesus 1 Cor. 6, 2 Cor. 5
He puts spiritual abilities in mankind’s spirit and soul 1 Cor. 12
He speaks mysteries through believers in Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 14
He baptizes believers into the body of Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 12
He writes on the fleshly tablets of the inner soul and spiritual heart 2 Cor. 3
He gives Life 2 Cor. 3 Rev. 11
He gives Liberty 2 Cor. 3
He shapes and forms mankind to the image and likeness of Jesus 2 Cor. 3
He is received by faith not by works Gal. 2
He is the source of our Hope Gal. 5
We walk in him to overcome the flesh Gal. 5, Ro. 8
He puts in us the character of God Gal. 5
He is the source of true harvest Gal.6
He seals us until the final redemption of our physical bodies become immortal Eph. 1, 4
He gives access to God the Father Eph. 2
God dwells in mankind by the Holy Spirit Eph. 2
He strengthens the inner spirit and soul inside mankind’s physical body Eph. 3
He is needed to maintain believers in the unity of Him. Eph. 4
He is one Single persona an individual God entirely of Himself and no other mixture of concepts or ideas. Eph. 6
He has a two edged sword which are all the words of Jesus Eph. 6
He gives Himself for fellowship to others along with fellowship of one believer to another Phil. 2
He can be quenched 1Th. 5
He is the source of sanctification 1 Th. 2, 1 Pt. 1
“ justification 1 Tim. 3
He is Eternal Heb. 9
He can be publically insulted by mankind (any man publically testifying to other mankind that He the Holy Spirits' works are from satan) wounding Him to the degree He leaves crying and thus the offender is never forgiven Mt. 12, Heb. 10.
He helps believers obey the truth 1 Pt. 1
The Holy Spirit Invites Mankind to God Rev. 22
Peace and Joy be to all in Christ Jesus from the Precious Holy Spirit until we are brought to Jesus and our Heavenly Father.

But what if someone is still alive to self, the physical, can this get in the way of listening to the Spirit of God that came to live in the ones that believe?
So in effect the deeper one is dead to self, the deeper one will listen to God the hidden man of our new heart.
For I know I am carnal, sold under sin yes? but if I were co-crucified with Christ at the cross, dead to self, would I thus be alive in God's Spirit as meant to be, since Christ came to give us life a new one? Is this possible here and now, as it was, is with Paul?

 

[NiceneCreed]

Why Abel's offering pleased GOD more than Cains?
Please do not use other people's answer and opinion.
Please pray and read`GOD's Word on this matter in Genesis again and you who have been born of the HOLY SPIRIT will receive a simple understanding revelation. i have heard this common answer that Abel was a wise person who gave the sin offering and etc. Was this written in the Word?
'i only know this by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT who gives us sound doctrine say; 'When the law was given, sin came to alive.'
Let us like a little child listen and pay attention to the Word of the LORD as it is authored and still reliable because the HOLY SPIRIT confirm's it.
When my FATHER gave my big brother a field to tilt and me a herd to shepherd and when the right time comes, we are to give HIS share of our harvest as it is fair and just for the world and everything in it belongs to HIM.
As both of us labor without understanding who's sacrifice is acceptable, and then both of us present them equally to the FATHER.
How can HE accept one better than the other? My brother gets an unfavorable field and i get a favorable field. Without knowledge and understanding my brother and i must labor blindly and be bullied by the FATHER that HIS decision was just fair.
This is a manner of a slave master and not my FATHER.
This has nothing to do with the Law of Moses which was given later and comes into effects then. Even if someone content, i would just say Wheat offering was also acceptable offering according to the Law of Moses practice in the Temple to please GOD.
There were no written command for Cain and Abel to do such but they did ......................................................?????

fredjames,

You are correct in stating, "There were no written commands for Cain and Abel to [give offerings of their produce unto the Lord]." Yet there is an often times unclear distinction between "works of the law" and "works of faith." Although the Law of Moses was not yet established at the time Cain and Abel gave their offerings unto the Lord, the story of Cain and Abel illustrates mankind's relationship with God. There are those who give to the Lord our of their great abundance of wealth or produce, but there are also those who give out of the abundance and produce of their hearts. Which do you think God prefers? "Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness" (Genesis 15:6, New International Version, 2011).

Isn't it clear Abel gave out of the abundance of his heart, the best of his flocks to the Lord? To the contrary, Cain did not do the same as Abel. "The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it; for he founded it on the seas and established it on the waters" (Psalm 24:1-4).

You can see that everything belongs to God, and we would have nothing if not for Him [God]. So who was Cain (or us for that matter), to withhold the best produce from the Lord, to keep for himself? Didn't Cain realize that his produce already belonged to God?

Grace and Peace!

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

But what if someone is still alive to self, the physical, can this get in the way of listening to the Spirit of God that came to live in the ones that believe?
So in effect the deeper one is dead to self, the deeper one will listen to God the hidden man of our new heart.
For I know I am carnal, sold under sin yes? but if I were co-crucified with Christ at the cross, dead to self, would I thus be alive in God's Spirit as meant to be, since Christ came to give us life a new one? Is this possible here and now, as it was, is with Paul?

Yes Hommie
to the degree we are willing to deny old sinful nature man is the degree that we will be full of Jesus by the work of the Holy Spirit's works and ways manifesting Jesus in and through us which is His nature and power then the next step is take our cross only the Holy Spirit can reveal what and how each one is to do that, then it is opened to us to vividly see hear and taste and feel the Lord Jesus to follow Him. These are the works of the Holy Spirit it is we who have our choice from our will to follow and each brother and sister to encourage our choice to follow and obey to the end of our finish line.

 

[RedTent]

This whole discussion is based on that Cain's offering was "not sin yet", that the new covenant given to us when Christ made things new someway made a new religion that destroys the old.

I think the whole basis for our reasoning is wrong. God is eternal, God is the "I AM" Christ is God, and Christ went through living as a man in our kind of time and changed how we are to know and worship Him, but Christ always was in eternal time. It was true in Cain's time that blood was needed for atonement, the only sacrifice acceptable, just as we know in 2013 that it is only Christ's blood. I think if Cain would have listened closely to God, he would have known it, but it really makes no difference if he did or not. What Cain knew or didn't know does not change how God created the world, and God created it so blood was needed for atonement. There is a link between our physical world and the spiritual one. When we break a physical law it affects the spiritual law, as sure as when we drop an object it falls for that is a physical law.

When we say we have a new covenant in Christ, we must know in our hearts what that means. It means Christ. And Christ did not come to destroy. Mat_5:17 "Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

 

[zone]

Jesus said he would send the Comforter. So the Spirit of God comes through Him. I know we will all agree on that, so we can say we receive the understanding of the Word, by the Holy Spirit given to us through, and by the Word. The Bible is the Word of God.

John 1:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

So that shouldn't be too hard to understand. The Spirit is given through the Word, and by the Word, not the other way around. We would never be able to receive the Spirit of God except by the Word. The Spirit doesn't teach us the Word, the Word teaches us of the Holy Spirit and is sent to us through the Word.

John 15:26
"When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father--the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father--he will testify about me.

John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

1 Corinthians 2:10
these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

agó: to lead, bring, carry
Original Word: ἄγω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: agó
Phonetic Spelling: (ag'-o)
Short Definition: I lead
Definition: I lead, lead away, bring (a person, or animal), guide, spend a day, go.

Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition
to lead, bring, carry

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THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS - HE DELIVERS...FULLY.

Strong's Greek: 71. ἄγω (agó) — 69 Occurrences



Matthew 10:18 V-FIP-2P
BIB: καὶ βασιλεῖς ἀχθήσεσθε ἕνεκεν ἐμοῦ
NAS: and you will even be brought before
KJV: And ye shall be brought before
INT: and kings you will be brought on account of me

Matthew 21:2 V-AMA-2P
BIB: αὐτῆς λύσαντες ἀγάγετέ μοι
NAS: with her; untie them and bring them to Me.
KJV: loose [them], and bring [them] unto me.
INT: her having untied [them] bring [them] to me

Matthew 21:7 V-AIA-3P
BIB: ἤγαγον τὴν ὄνον
NAS: and brought the donkey and the colt,
KJV: And brought the ass, and
INT: they brought the donkey

Matthew 26:46 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ἐγείρεσθε ἄγωμεν ἰδοὺ ἤγγικεν
NAS: Get up, let us be going; behold,
KJV: Rise, let us be going: behold,
INT: Rise up let us go behold has drawn near

Mark 1:38 V-PSA-1P
BIB: λέγει αὐτοῖς Ἄγωμεν ἀλλαχοῦ εἰς
NAS: He said to them, Let us go somewhere else
KJV: unto them, Let us go into
INT: he says to them Let us go another way into

Mark 13:11 V-PSA-3P
BIB: καὶ ὅταν ἄγωσιν ὑμᾶς παραδιδόντες
NAS: When they arrest you and hand
KJV: when they shall lead [you], and deliver
INT: But when they might lead away you delivering [you] up

Mark 14:42 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ἐγείρεσθε ἄγωμεν ἰδοὺ ὁ
NAS: Get up, let us be going; behold,
KJV: Rise up, let us go; lo,
INT: Rise let us go behold he who

Luke 4:1 V-IIM/P-3S
BIB: Ἰορδάνου καὶ ἤγετο ἐν τῷ
NAS: from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit
KJV: Jordan, and was led by the Spirit
INT: Jordan and was led by the

Luke 4:9 V-AIA-3S
BIB: Ἤγαγεν δὲ αὐτὸν
NAS: And he led Him to Jerusalem
KJV: And he brought him to
INT: he led also him

Luke 4:29 V-AIA-3P
BIB: πόλεως καὶ ἤγαγον αὐτὸν ἕως
NAS: Him out of the city, and led Him to the brow
KJV: the city, and led him unto
INT: city and led him unto

Luke 4:40 V-AIA-3P
BIB: νόσοις ποικίλαις ἤγαγον αὐτοὺς πρὸς
NAS: diseases brought them to Him; and laying
KJV: with divers diseases brought them unto
INT: with diseases various brought them to

Luke 10:34 V-AIA-3S
BIB: ἴδιον κτῆνος ἤγαγεν αὐτὸν εἰς
NAS: beast, and brought him to an inn
KJV: his own beast, and brought him to
INT: own beast brought him to

Luke 18:40 V-ANP
BIB: ἐκέλευσεν αὐτὸν ἀχθῆναι πρὸς αὐτόν
NAS: and commanded that he be brought to Him; and when he came near,
KJV: him to be brought unto
INT: commanded him to be brought to him

Luke 19:27 V-AMA-2P
BIB: ἐπ' αὐτοὺς ἀγάγετε ὧδε καὶ
NAS: over them, bring them here
KJV: over them, bring hither, and
INT: over them bring here and

Luke 19:30 V-AMA-2P
BIB: λύσαντες αὐτὸν ἀγάγετε
NAS: sat; untie it and bring it [here].
KJV: loose him, and bring [him hither].
INT: having untied it bring [it]

Luke 19:35 V-AIA-3P
BIB: καὶ ἤγαγον αὐτὸν πρὸς
NAS: They brought it to Jesus,
KJV: And they brought him to
INT: And they led it to

Luke 22:54 V-AIA-3P
BIB: δὲ αὐτὸν ἤγαγον καὶ εἰσήγαγον
NAS: Having arrested Him, they led Him [away] and brought
KJV: him, and led [him], and
INT: moreover him they led [him away] and led

Luke 23:1 V-AIA-3P
BIB: πλῆθος αὐτῶν ἤγαγον αὐτὸν ἐπὶ
NAS: of them got up and brought Him before
KJV: of them arose, and led him unto
INT: multitude of them led him to

Luke 23:32 V-IIM/P-3P
BIB: Ἤγοντο δὲ καὶ
NAS: who were criminals, were being led away to be put to death
KJV: other, malefactors, led with him
INT: Were led and also

Luke 24:21 V-PIA-3S
BIB: ταύτην ἡμέραν ἄγει ἀφ' οὗ
KJV: this, to day is the third
INT: this day it brings from which

John 1:42 V-AIA-3S
BIB: ἤγαγεν αὐτὸν πρὸς
NAS: He brought him to Jesus. Jesus
KJV: And he brought him to
INT: he led him to

John 7:45 V-AIA-2P
BIB: τί οὐκ ἠγάγετε αὐτόν
NAS: to them, Why did you not bring Him?
KJV: have ye not brought him?
INT: why not did you bring him

John 8:3 V-PIA-3P
BIB: Ἄγουσιν δὲ οἱ
NAS: and the Pharisees brought a woman
KJV: and Pharisees brought unto him
INT: Bring moreover the

John 9:13 V-PIA-3P
BIB: Ἄγουσιν αὐτὸν πρὸς
NAS: They brought to the Pharisees
KJV: They brought to the Pharisees
INT: They bring him to

John 10:16 V-ANA
BIB: δεῖ με ἀγαγεῖν καὶ τῆς
NAS: I must bring them also,
KJV: I must bring, and they shall hear
INT: it behoves me to bring and the

John 11:7 V-PSA-1P
BIB: τοῖς μαθηταῖς Ἄγωμεν εἰς τὴν
NAS: to the disciples, Let us go to Judea
KJV: to [his] disciples, Let us go into
INT: to the disciples Let us go into

John 11:15 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ἐκεῖ ἀλλὰ ἄγωμεν πρὸς αὐτόν
NAS: that you may believe; but let us go to him.
KJV: nevertheless let us go unto
INT: there But let us go to him

John 11:16 V-PSA-1P
BIB: τοῖς συμμαθηταῖς Ἄγωμεν καὶ ἡμεῖς
NAS: Let us also go, so
KJV: Let us also go, that we
INT: to the fellow disciples Let go also us

John 14:31 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ποιῶ Ἐγείρεσθε ἄγωμεν ἐντεῦθεν
NAS: Me. Get up, let us go from here.
KJV: I do. Arise, let us go hence.
INT: I do Rise up let us go from here

John 18:13 V-AIA-3P
BIB: καὶ ἤγαγον πρὸς Ἅνναν
NAS: and led Him to Annas first;
INT: and they led [him] away to Annas

John 18:28 V-PIA-3P
BIB: Ἄγουσιν οὖν τὸν
NAS: Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas
KJV: Then led they Jesus from
INT: They lead therefore

John 19:4 V-PIA-1S
BIB: αὐτοῖς Ἴδε ἄγω ὑμῖν αὐτὸν
NAS: to them, Behold, I am bringing Him out to you so
KJV: unto them, Behold, I bring him forth
INT: to them Behold I bring to you him

John 19:13 V-AIA-3S
BIB: λόγων τούτων ἤγαγεν ἔξω τὸν
NAS: words, he brought Jesus
KJV: that saying, he brought Jesus forth,
INT: words this he brought out

Acts 5:21 V-ANP
BIB: τὸ δεσμωτήριον ἀχθῆναι αὐτούς
NAS: [orders] to the prison house for them to be brought.
KJV: to have them brought.
INT: the jail to bring them

Acts 5:26 V-AIA-3S
BIB: τοῖς ὑπηρέταις ἦγεν αὐτούς οὐ
NAS: with the officers and [proceeded] to bring them [back] without
KJV: the officers, and brought them
INT: the officers brought them not

Acts 5:27 V-APA-NMP
BIB: ἀγαγόντες δὲ αὐτοὺς
NAS: When they had brought them, they stood
KJV: And when they had brought them,
INT: having brought moreover them

Acts 6:12 V-AIA-3P
BIB: αὐτὸν καὶ ἤγαγον εἰς τὸ
NAS: up to him and dragged him away and brought him before
KJV: him, and brought [him] to the council,
INT: him and brought [him] to the

Acts 8:32 V-AIP-3S
BIB: ἐπὶ σφαγὴν ἤχθη καὶ ὡς
NAS: was this: HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP
KJV: was this, He was led as a sheep
INT: to slaughter he was led and as

Acts 9:2 V-ASA-3S
BIB: γυναῖκας δεδεμένους ἀγάγῃ εἰς Ἰερουσαλήμ
NAS: and women, he might bring them bound
KJV: women, he might bring them bound
INT: women having bound he might bring [them] to Jerusalem

Acts 9:21 V-ASA-3S
BIB: δεδεμένους αὐτοὺς ἀγάγῃ ἐπὶ τοὺς
NAS: here for the purpose of bringing them bound
KJV: intent, that he might bring them bound
INT: bound them he might bring to the

Acts 9:27 V-AIA-3S
BIB: ἐπιλαβόμενος αὐτὸν ἤγαγεν πρὸς τοὺς
NAS: took hold of him and brought him to the apostles
KJV: him, and brought [him] to
INT: having taken him brought [him] to the

Acts 11:26 V-AIA-3S
BIB: καὶ εὑρὼν ἤγαγεν εἰς Ἀντιόχειαν
NAS: and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch.
KJV: him, he brought him
INT: and having found [him] he brought [him] to Antioch

Acts 13:23 V-AIA-3S
BIB: κατ' ἐπαγγελίαν ἤγαγεν τῷ Ἰσραὴλ
NAS: God has brought to Israel
INT: according to promise raised up to Israel

Acts 17:15 V-AIA-3P
BIB: τὸν Παῦλον ἤγαγον ἕως Ἀθηνῶν
NAS: Paul brought him as far
KJV: Paul brought him
INT: Paul brought [him] unto Athens

Acts 17:19 V-AIA-3P
BIB: Ἄρειον Πάγον ἤγαγον λέγοντες Δυνάμεθα
NAS: And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus,
KJV: him, and brought him unto
INT: Ares Hill they brought [him] saying Are we able

Acts 18:12 V-AIA-3P
BIB: Παύλῳ καὶ ἤγαγον αὐτὸν ἐπὶ
NAS: Paul and brought him before
KJV: Paul, and brought him to
INT: Paul and led him to

Acts 19:37 V-AIA-2P
BIB: ἠγάγετε γὰρ τοὺς
NAS: For you have brought these men
KJV: For ye have brought hither these men,
INT: you brought indeed the

Acts 19:38 V-PIM/P-3P
BIB: λόγον ἀγοραῖοι ἄγονται καὶ ἀνθύπατοί
NAS: the courts are in session and proconsuls
KJV: the law is open, and
INT: a matter courts are held and procounsuls

Acts 20:12 V-AIA-3P
BIB: ἤγαγον δὲ τὸν
NAS: They took away the boy alive,
KJV: And they brought the young man alive,
INT: they brought moreover the

Acts 21:16 V-PPA-NMP
BIB: σὺν ἡμῖν ἄγοντες παρ' ᾧ
NAS: came with us, taking us to Mnason
KJV: of Caesarea, and brought with them one
INT: with us bringing [one] with whom

Acts 21:34 V-PNM/P
BIB: θόρυβον ἐκέλευσεν ἄγεσθαι αὐτὸν εἰς
NAS: he ordered him to be brought into the barracks.
KJV: him to be carried into
INT: riot he commanded to be brought him into

Acts 22:5 V-FPA-NMS
BIB: Δαμασκὸν ἐπορευόμην ἄξων καὶ τοὺς
NAS: off for Damascus in order to bring even
KJV: Damascus, to bring them which were
INT: Damascus I went to bring also those

Acts 23:10 V-PNA
BIB: μέσου αὐτῶν ἄγειν τε εἰς
NAS: and take him away from them by force, and bring him into the barracks.
KJV: and to bring [him] into
INT: midst of them to bring [him] moreover into

Acts 23:18 V-AIA-3S
BIB: παραλαβὼν αὐτὸν ἤγαγεν πρὸς τὸν
NAS: he took him and led him to the commander
KJV: him, and brought [him] to
INT: having taken him brought [him] to the

Acts 23:18 V-ANA
BIB: τὸν νεανίσκον ἀγαγεῖν πρὸς σέ
NAS: me to him and asked me to lead this
KJV: unto [him], and prayed me to bring this
INT: young man to lead to you

Acts 23:31 V-AIA-3P
BIB: τὸν Παῦλον ἤγαγον διὰ νυκτὸς
NAS: Paul and brought him by night
KJV: took Paul, and brought [him] by night
INT: Paul brought [him] by night

Acts 25:6 V-ANP
BIB: τὸν Παῦλον ἀχθῆναι
NAS: and ordered Paul to be brought.
KJV: commanded Paul to be brought.
INT: Paul to be brought

Acts 25:17 V-ANP
BIB: βήματος ἐκέλευσα ἀχθῆναι τὸν ἄνδρα
NAS: the man to be brought before me.
KJV: the man to be brought forth.
INT: judgment seat I commanded to be brought the man

Acts 25:23 V-AIP-3S
BIB: τοῦ Φήστου ἤχθη ὁ Παῦλος
NAS: of Festus, Paul was brought in.
KJV: commandment Paul was brought forth.
INT: Festus was brought Paul

Romans 2:4 V-PIA-3S
BIB: μετάνοιάν σε ἄγει
NAS: of God leads you to repentance?
KJV: the goodness of God leadeth thee to
INT: repentance you leads

Romans 8:14 V-PIM/P-3P
BIB: πνεύματι θεοῦ ἄγονται οὗτοι υἱοὶ
NAS: For all who are being led by the Spirit
KJV: as many as are led by the Spirit
INT: by [the] Spirit of God are led these sons

1 Corinthians 12:2 V-IIM/P-2P
BIB: ὡς ἂν ἤγεσθε ἀπαγόμενοι
NAS: idols, however you were led.
KJV: idols, even as ye were led.
INT: as anyhow you might be led led away

Galatians 5:18 V-PIM/P-2P
BIB: δὲ πνεύματι ἄγεσθε οὐκ ἐστὲ
NAS: But if you are led by the Spirit,
KJV: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are
INT: moreover [the] Spirit you are led by not you are

1 Thessalonians 4:14 V-FIA-3S
BIB: τοῦ Ἰησοῦ ἄξει σὺν αὐτῷ
NAS: God will bring with Him those
KJV: will God bring with him.
INT: Jesus will bring with him

2 Timothy 3:6 V-PPM/P-ANP
BIB: σεσωρευμένα ἁμαρτίαις ἀγόμενα ἐπιθυμίαις ποικίλαις
NAS: with sins, led on by various
KJV: with sins, led away with divers
INT: burdened with sins led away by lusts various

2 Timothy 4:11 V-PMA-2S
BIB: Μάρκον ἀναλαβὼν ἄγε μετὰ σεαυτοῦ
NAS: up Mark and bring him with you, for he is useful
KJV: Take Mark, and bring him with thee:
INT: Mark having taken bring with yourself

Hebrews 2:10 V-APA-AMS
BIB: εἰς δόξαν ἀγαγόντα τὸν ἀρχηγὸν
NAS: are all things, in bringing many
KJV: [are] all things, in bringing many
INT: to glory having brought the author

James 4:13 V-PMA-2S
BIB: Ἄγε νῦν οἱ
INT: Come now you who

James 5:1 V-PMA-2S
BIB: Ἄγε νῦν οἱ
INT: Come now


LOOKS LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE PURPOSES OF GOD, SINCE HE IS GOD.
DELIVERING SONS TO GLORY.

of course the Spirit teaches us.

 

[GreenNnice]

Jesus said he would send the Comforter. So the Spirit of God comes through Him. I know we will all agree on that, so we can say we receive the understanding of the Word, by the Holy Spirit given to us through, and by the Word. The Bible is the Word of God.

John 1:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

So that shouldn't be too hard to understand. The Spirit is given through the Word, and by the Word, not the other way around. We would never be able to receive the Spirit of God except by the Word. The Spirit doesn't teach us the Word, the Word teaches us of the Holy Spirit and is sent to us through the Word.

The Holy Spirit is sent to us by faith, we receive Him through our faith in His Word. Hopefully , this clears things up, the Word is Holy Spirit inspired book written, just THAT , a book But, God is more than that, He SPEAKS to us through the holy, inspired, writings of the authors of the bible. HE REVEALS ALL TRUTH TO US . How He chooses to do that is His way for us individually, and, BY FAITH, we will LEARN ALL OF Him known in our lives. Again, if you DON'T have faith that God helped you do something miraculous and just chalk it up as a work God did on His own, but NOT EVER through you, fine, just don't tell me about it, I won't believe that faithless belief of HOW Christ works in my life , which is the same as Abraham going up that hill to kill his son, Isaac, as, DID Abraham have a bible with Him to GO BY as Abraham was walking up that hill? Nope, He had God's voice, and, God is the SAME today as yesterday as forevermore . He STILL speaks to us as He wishes, giving us gifts, sending us places, to do His WORK for His good will and pleasure. Nothing's changed, and, in fact, the more things CHANGE He still stays the SAME

Many want to say, "But, green, Abraham didn't have a bible to go by, it was not completed yet, abraham HAD only God's voice to go by. We have the bible, we can read it and know what we are to do regarding doing something like killing our son if we THINK we hear God's voice."

That's right, we HAVE the bible, the complete authoritative word of God !

And, God speaks to our hearts through it's work that shows us what He wants us to do in REAL LIFE

How green? Through FAITH in following Him, the Lord leads. The spirit of God will lead His sons and daughters, so, says Scripture , just read Romans 8:14. So, IF you can pick up on God's leading of what He wants you to do from JUST reading the bible, fabulous. Then, DO IT !!! But, MY LIFE is going to be boldly following Him, as He shows me EXACTLY which ways to go in my life, not through the bible reading I do and stopping there, but, continuing to move forth, as He moves me, leads me, by MY FAITH in Him , by the MEASURE of FAITH He gave me to use . Use it !!!!

 

[Cobus]

Zone showed tht the Holy Spirit LEADS the children of God.... well what if a person do not FOLOW THE LEAD?

You see, my point is, if the Holy Spirit LEADS the children of God, HOW CAN THEY SIN. the Spirit will not lead them into sin or temptation, but He will lead them OUT of sin and AWAY from temptation.... God KNOWS to deliver the righteous from all temptation... GOD KNOWS the Word says...

So not only does the HOLY SPIRIT leads the Children of God, THEY FOLLOW HIM....

 

[just-me]

The Holy Spirit is sent to us by faith, we receive Him through our faith in His Word. Hopefully , this clears things up, the Word is Holy Spirit inspired book written, just THAT , a book But, God is more than that, He SPEAKS to us through the holy, inspired, writings of the authors of the bible. HE REVEALS ALL TRUTH TO US . How He chooses to do that is His way for us individually, and, BY FAITH, we will LEARN ALL OF Him known in our lives. Again, if you DON'T have faith that God helped you do something miraculous and just chalk it up as a work God did on His own, but NOT EVER through you, fine, just don't tell me about it, I won't believe that faithless belief of HOW Christ works in my life , which is the same as Abraham going up that hill to kill his son, Isaac, as, DID Abraham have a bible with Him to GO BY as Abraham was walking up that hill? Nope, He had God's voice, and, God is the SAME today as yesterday as forevermore . He STILL speaks to us as He wishes, giving us gifts, sending us places, to do His WORK for His good will and pleasure. Nothing's changed, and, in fact, the more things CHANGE He still stays the SAME

Many want to say, "But, green, Abraham didn't have a bible to go by, it was not completed yet, abraham HAD only God's voice to go by. We have the bible, we can read it and know what we are to do regarding doing something like killing our son if we THINK we hear God's voice."

That's right, we HAVE the bible, the complete authoritative word of God !

And, God speaks to our hearts through it's work that shows us what He wants us to do in REAL LIFE

How green? Through FAITH in following Him, the Lord leads. The spirit of God will lead His sons and daughters, so, says Scripture , just read Romans 8:14. So, IF you can pick up on God's leading of what He wants you to do from JUST reading the bible, fabulous. Then, DO IT !!! But, MY LIFE is going to be boldly following Him, as He shows me EXACTLY which ways to go in my life, not through the bible reading I do and stopping there, but, continuing to move forth, as He moves me, leads me, by MY FAITH in Him , by the MEASURE of FAITH He gave me to use . Use it !!!!

Good explanation! Reciprocation to the truth in sincerity is what makes things happen for the good, not by what we do, but by what God does to enable us to respond. It's a love thing.
1 John 4:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[Grandpa]

Jesus said he would send the Comforter. So the Spirit of God comes through Him. I know we will all agree on that, so we can say we receive the understanding of the Word, by the Holy Spirit given to us through, and by the Word. The Bible is the Word of God.

John 1:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

So that shouldn't be too hard to understand. The Spirit is given through the Word, and by the Word, not the other way around. We would never be able to receive the Spirit of God except by the Word. The Spirit doesn't teach us the Word, the Word teaches us of the Holy Spirit and is sent to us through the Word.

It looks like you are missing something important.

1 Corinthians 2:10-16
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

Without the Holy Spirit revealing the Word to you, you can't understand. Not fully.

The Holy Spirit is given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ. This is an amazing gift. The more we abide in Christ the more He grows the Holy Spirit in our lives and our spiritual understanding grows.

The Holy Spirit is not given just because you read the bible. The Holy Spirit is given when you come to Christ and start asking for and wanting what the words in the bible are trying to tell you.

I read the bible for 4 yrs over and over trying to understand it. I didn't understand it but I had faith that if I kept reading it I would eventually get it. Kind of like when you can't remember someone's name but when you stop thinking about it you remember. That's what I was hoping for... Or what I believed... I knew it was just a matter of time and understanding would come...

But understanding didn't come by my methods. Understanding can only come by the Holy Spirit. Which those verses above should have already told you...

 

[homwardbound]

This whole discussion is based on that Cain's offering was "not sin yet", that the new covenant given to us when Christ made things new someway made a new religion that destroys the old.

I think the whole basis for our reasoning is wrong. God is eternal, God is the "I AM" Christ is God, and Christ went through living as a man in our kind of time and changed how we are to know and worship Him, but Christ always was in eternal time. It was true in Cain's time that blood was needed for atonement, the only sacrifice acceptable, just as we know in 2013 that it is only Christ's blood. I think if Cain would have listened closely to God, he would have known it, but it really makes no difference if he did or not. What Cain knew or didn't know does not change how God created the world, and God created it so blood was needed for atonement. There is a link between our physical world and the spiritual one. When we break a physical law it affects the spiritual law, as sure as when we drop an object it falls for that is a physical law.

When we say we have a new covenant in Christ, we must know in our hearts what that means. It means Christ. And Christ did not come to destroy. Mat_5:17 "Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

and Sister that is exactly what he did fulfill, then he went to the cross and died to take away the sin of the whole world in Father's sight, so that Father could and does today see us through the Son as perfect
John 1:29 [ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Mat_5:17 "Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

So when Christ yelled the above out, do you think he did what he said he came to do, fulfill the Law and Prophets of the first Testament about him?

So are we in a new Covenant or are we still under the Old, under the Mosaic Law?

Hebrews 9:15-17, says we are by the death at the cross in a new Covenant. Hebrews 7:11-12 states we have a new Priesthood and we are under new Laws.
So there are two sides of the cross, before and after
Before we forgive to get forgiven
After we forgive because we are forgiven
Before we love to get loved
After we love because we are loved
Before we are initiators, trying to be equal with God or better than, when in truth we are no more than a creation from God
After we are responders to God, seeing God as the initiator of all things and we are the creation worshipping the creator in Spirit and truth, which today is the only way God can be worshipped after the cross, was before the cross as well, yet by the cross this is 100% clear, for in the First Testament, God counted many righteous, by Faith (belief) in prior to Christ's finished work at the cross, yet all these that had Faith trusted in the coming Messiah Christ that has come and given us the message of redemption.

 

[homwardbound]

Zone showed tht the Holy Spirit LEADS the children of God.... well what if a person do not FOLOW THE LEAD?

You see, my point is, if the Holy Spirit LEADS the children of God, HOW CAN THEY SIN. the Spirit will not lead them into sin or temptation, but He will lead them OUT of sin and AWAY from temptation.... God KNOWS to deliver the righteous from all temptation... GOD KNOWS the Word says...

So not only does the HOLY SPIRIT leads the Children of God, THEY FOLLOW HIM....

and being in unredeemed flesh is why we today are at war, needing to see to be dead to flesh crucified with Christ, so we sin not.
Just as Paul uses the allegory of a married woman if husband (Law) dead then one is free to marry another (that is Christ) The risen Christ, in God's Spirit, born again. yes? maybe You decide I know I have.

 

[GreenNnice]

It looks like you are missing something important.

1 Corinthians 2:10-16
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

Without the Holy Spirit revealing the Word to you, you can't understand. Not fully.

The Holy Spirit is given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ. This is an amazing gift. The more we abide in Christ the more He grows the Holy Spirit in our lives and our spiritual understanding grows.

The Holy Spirit is not given just because you read the bible. The Holy Spirit is given when you come to Christ and start asking for and wanting what the words in the bible are trying to tell you.

I read the bible for 4 yrs over and over trying to understand it. I didn't understand it but I had faith that if I kept reading it I would eventually get it. Kind of like when you can't remember someone's name but when you stop thinking about it you remember. That's what I was hoping for... Or what I believed... I knew it was just a matter of time and understanding would come...

But understanding didn't come by my methods. Understanding can only come by the Holy Spirit. Which those verses above should have already told you...

Not at all. Don't put ANY trust in your mind, it can do NOTHING without the power of God's influence on it and, that 'power of God' unto our life comes in many fashions and forms who we are, who we are to be, where we are to go by His leading us. It's always His leading, even yea so be through the Word of OUR reading, it is ONLY going to be understood ('revealed' as Scripture says) when we take ALL emphasis fully off of what we can do and realize that all things are possible with God and, of ourselves, nothing is possible, nothing good, that is, but with Him in us working , grampsK, ALL things are possible. This is 'faith,' this is where 'through faith' comes in, which we receive the Holy Spirit by faith and then THROUGH our faith in Him, we continue on in His leading, following Him.

'By' is a passive word, like, for instance, a 'byline' for a newspaper story, it's simply a story written BY such and such. But, ah, yes!, 'through,' this is where we get ACTIVE! in doing something, and, THROUGH faith, the Holy Spirit will work and MOVE us toward His ways for us, which WILL, sometimes, be fraught with danger/temptation but with that temptation in place God tells us, too, in Scripture, He will always provide a way out for us, as brother Paul relates this truth in 1 Corinthians.

So, to add to this thread's title would be good: Holy Bible taught by the Holy Spirit, through our faith in Him

 

[GreenNnice]

John 15:26
"When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father--the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father--he will testify about me.

John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

1 Corinthians 2:10
these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

agó: to lead, bring, carry
Original Word: ἄγω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: agó
Phonetic Spelling: (ag'-o)
Short Definition: I lead
Definition: I lead, lead away, bring (a person, or animal), guide, spend a day, go.

Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition
to lead, bring, carry

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THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS - HE DELIVERS...FULLY.

Strong's Greek: 71. ἄγω (agó) — 69 Occurrences



Matthew 10:18 V-FIP-2P
BIB: καὶ βασιλεῖς ἀχθήσεσθε ἕνεκεν ἐμοῦ
NAS: and you will even be brought before
KJV: And ye shall be brought before
INT: and kings you will be brought on account of me

Matthew 21:2 V-AMA-2P
BIB: αὐτῆς λύσαντες ἀγάγετέ μοι
NAS: with her; untie them and bring them to Me.
KJV: loose [them], and bring [them] unto me.
INT: her having untied [them] bring [them] to me

Matthew 21:7 V-AIA-3P
BIB: ἤγαγον τὴν ὄνον
NAS: and brought the donkey and the colt,
KJV: And brought the ass, and
INT: they brought the donkey

Matthew 26:46 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ἐγείρεσθε ἄγωμεν ἰδοὺ ἤγγικεν
NAS: Get up, let us be going; behold,
KJV: Rise, let us be going: behold,
INT: Rise up let us go behold has drawn near

Mark 1:38 V-PSA-1P
BIB: λέγει αὐτοῖς Ἄγωμεν ἀλλαχοῦ εἰς
NAS: He said to them, Let us go somewhere else
KJV: unto them, Let us go into
INT: he says to them Let us go another way into

Mark 13:11 V-PSA-3P
BIB: καὶ ὅταν ἄγωσιν ὑμᾶς παραδιδόντες
NAS: When they arrest you and hand
KJV: when they shall lead [you], and deliver
INT: But when they might lead away you delivering [you] up

Mark 14:42 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ἐγείρεσθε ἄγωμεν ἰδοὺ ὁ
NAS: Get up, let us be going; behold,
KJV: Rise up, let us go; lo,
INT: Rise let us go behold he who

Luke 4:1 V-IIM/P-3S
BIB: Ἰορδάνου καὶ ἤγετο ἐν τῷ
NAS: from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit
KJV: Jordan, and was led by the Spirit
INT: Jordan and was led by the

Luke 4:9 V-AIA-3S
BIB: Ἤγαγεν δὲ αὐτὸν
NAS: And he led Him to Jerusalem
KJV: And he brought him to
INT: he led also him

Luke 4:29 V-AIA-3P
BIB: πόλεως καὶ ἤγαγον αὐτὸν ἕως
NAS: Him out of the city, and led Him to the brow
KJV: the city, and led him unto
INT: city and led him unto

Luke 4:40 V-AIA-3P
BIB: νόσοις ποικίλαις ἤγαγον αὐτοὺς πρὸς
NAS: diseases brought them to Him; and laying
KJV: with divers diseases brought them unto
INT: with diseases various brought them to

Luke 10:34 V-AIA-3S
BIB: ἴδιον κτῆνος ἤγαγεν αὐτὸν εἰς
NAS: beast, and brought him to an inn
KJV: his own beast, and brought him to
INT: own beast brought him to

Luke 18:40 V-ANP
BIB: ἐκέλευσεν αὐτὸν ἀχθῆναι πρὸς αὐτόν
NAS: and commanded that he be brought to Him; and when he came near,
KJV: him to be brought unto
INT: commanded him to be brought to him

Luke 19:27 V-AMA-2P
BIB: ἐπ' αὐτοὺς ἀγάγετε ὧδε καὶ
NAS: over them, bring them here
KJV: over them, bring hither, and
INT: over them bring here and

Luke 19:30 V-AMA-2P
BIB: λύσαντες αὐτὸν ἀγάγετε
NAS: sat; untie it and bring it [here].
KJV: loose him, and bring [him hither].
INT: having untied it bring [it]

Luke 19:35 V-AIA-3P
BIB: καὶ ἤγαγον αὐτὸν πρὸς
NAS: They brought it to Jesus,
KJV: And they brought him to
INT: And they led it to

Luke 22:54 V-AIA-3P
BIB: δὲ αὐτὸν ἤγαγον καὶ εἰσήγαγον
NAS: Having arrested Him, they led Him [away] and brought
KJV: him, and led [him], and
INT: moreover him they led [him away] and led

Luke 23:1 V-AIA-3P
BIB: πλῆθος αὐτῶν ἤγαγον αὐτὸν ἐπὶ
NAS: of them got up and brought Him before
KJV: of them arose, and led him unto
INT: multitude of them led him to

Luke 23:32 V-IIM/P-3P
BIB: Ἤγοντο δὲ καὶ
NAS: who were criminals, were being led away to be put to death
KJV: other, malefactors, led with him
INT: Were led and also

Luke 24:21 V-PIA-3S
BIB: ταύτην ἡμέραν ἄγει ἀφ' οὗ
KJV: this, to day is the third
INT: this day it brings from which

John 1:42 V-AIA-3S
BIB: ἤγαγεν αὐτὸν πρὸς
NAS: He brought him to Jesus. Jesus
KJV: And he brought him to
INT: he led him to

John 7:45 V-AIA-2P
BIB: τί οὐκ ἠγάγετε αὐτόν
NAS: to them, Why did you not bring Him?
KJV: have ye not brought him?
INT: why not did you bring him

John 8:3 V-PIA-3P
BIB: Ἄγουσιν δὲ οἱ
NAS: and the Pharisees brought a woman
KJV: and Pharisees brought unto him
INT: Bring moreover the

John 9:13 V-PIA-3P
BIB: Ἄγουσιν αὐτὸν πρὸς
NAS: They brought to the Pharisees
KJV: They brought to the Pharisees
INT: They bring him to

John 10:16 V-ANA
BIB: δεῖ με ἀγαγεῖν καὶ τῆς
NAS: I must bring them also,
KJV: I must bring, and they shall hear
INT: it behoves me to bring and the

John 11:7 V-PSA-1P
BIB: τοῖς μαθηταῖς Ἄγωμεν εἰς τὴν
NAS: to the disciples, Let us go to Judea
KJV: to [his] disciples, Let us go into
INT: to the disciples Let us go into

John 11:15 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ἐκεῖ ἀλλὰ ἄγωμεν πρὸς αὐτόν
NAS: that you may believe; but let us go to him.
KJV: nevertheless let us go unto
INT: there But let us go to him

John 11:16 V-PSA-1P
BIB: τοῖς συμμαθηταῖς Ἄγωμεν καὶ ἡμεῖς
NAS: Let us also go, so
KJV: Let us also go, that we
INT: to the fellow disciples Let go also us

John 14:31 V-PSA-1P
BIB: ποιῶ Ἐγείρεσθε ἄγωμεν ἐντεῦθεν
NAS: Me. Get up, let us go from here.
KJV: I do. Arise, let us go hence.
INT: I do Rise up let us go from here

John 18:13 V-AIA-3P
BIB: καὶ ἤγαγον πρὸς Ἅνναν
NAS: and led Him to Annas first;
INT: and they led [him] away to Annas

John 18:28 V-PIA-3P
BIB: Ἄγουσιν οὖν τὸν
NAS: Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas
KJV: Then led they Jesus from
INT: They lead therefore

John 19:4 V-PIA-1S
BIB: αὐτοῖς Ἴδε ἄγω ὑμῖν αὐτὸν
NAS: to them, Behold, I am bringing Him out to you so
KJV: unto them, Behold, I bring him forth
INT: to them Behold I bring to you him

John 19:13 V-AIA-3S
BIB: λόγων τούτων ἤγαγεν ἔξω τὸν
NAS: words, he brought Jesus
KJV: that saying, he brought Jesus forth,
INT: words this he brought out

Acts 5:21 V-ANP
BIB: τὸ δεσμωτήριον ἀχθῆναι αὐτούς
NAS: [orders] to the prison house for them to be brought.
KJV: to have them brought.
INT: the jail to bring them

Acts 5:26 V-AIA-3S
BIB: τοῖς ὑπηρέταις ἦγεν αὐτούς οὐ
NAS: with the officers and [proceeded] to bring them [back] without
KJV: the officers, and brought them
INT: the officers brought them not

Acts 5:27 V-APA-NMP
BIB: ἀγαγόντες δὲ αὐτοὺς
NAS: When they had brought them, they stood
KJV: And when they had brought them,
INT: having brought moreover them

Acts 6:12 V-AIA-3P
BIB: αὐτὸν καὶ ἤγαγον εἰς τὸ
NAS: up to him and dragged him away and brought him before
KJV: him, and brought [him] to the council,
INT: him and brought [him] to the

Acts 8:32 V-AIP-3S
BIB: ἐπὶ σφαγὴν ἤχθη καὶ ὡς
NAS: was this: HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP
KJV: was this, He was led as a sheep
INT: to slaughter he was led and as

Acts 9:2 V-ASA-3S
BIB: γυναῖκας δεδεμένους ἀγάγῃ εἰς Ἰερουσαλήμ
NAS: and women, he might bring them bound
KJV: women, he might bring them bound
INT: women having bound he might bring [them] to Jerusalem

Acts 9:21 V-ASA-3S
BIB: δεδεμένους αὐτοὺς ἀγάγῃ ἐπὶ τοὺς
NAS: here for the purpose of bringing them bound
KJV: intent, that he might bring them bound
INT: bound them he might bring to the

Acts 9:27 V-AIA-3S
BIB: ἐπιλαβόμενος αὐτὸν ἤγαγεν πρὸς τοὺς
NAS: took hold of him and brought him to the apostles
KJV: him, and brought [him] to
INT: having taken him brought [him] to the

Acts 11:26 V-AIA-3S
BIB: καὶ εὑρὼν ἤγαγεν εἰς Ἀντιόχειαν
NAS: and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch.
KJV: him, he brought him
INT: and having found [him] he brought [him] to Antioch

Acts 13:23 V-AIA-3S
BIB: κατ' ἐπαγγελίαν ἤγαγεν τῷ Ἰσραὴλ
NAS: God has brought to Israel
INT: according to promise raised up to Israel

Acts 17:15 V-AIA-3P
BIB: τὸν Παῦλον ἤγαγον ἕως Ἀθηνῶν
NAS: Paul brought him as far
KJV: Paul brought him
INT: Paul brought [him] unto Athens

Acts 17:19 V-AIA-3P
BIB: Ἄρειον Πάγον ἤγαγον λέγοντες Δυνάμεθα
NAS: And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus,
KJV: him, and brought him unto
INT: Ares Hill they brought [him] saying Are we able

Acts 18:12 V-AIA-3P
BIB: Παύλῳ καὶ ἤγαγον αὐτὸν ἐπὶ
NAS: Paul and brought him before
KJV: Paul, and brought him to
INT: Paul and led him to

Acts 19:37 V-AIA-2P
BIB: ἠγάγετε γὰρ τοὺς
NAS: For you have brought these men
KJV: For ye have brought hither these men,
INT: you brought indeed the

Acts 19:38 V-PIM/P-3P
BIB: λόγον ἀγοραῖοι ἄγονται καὶ ἀνθύπατοί
NAS: the courts are in session and proconsuls
KJV: the law is open, and
INT: a matter courts are held and procounsuls

Acts 20:12 V-AIA-3P
BIB: ἤγαγον δὲ τὸν
NAS: They took away the boy alive,
KJV: And they brought the young man alive,
INT: they brought moreover the

Acts 21:16 V-PPA-NMP
BIB: σὺν ἡμῖν ἄγοντες παρ' ᾧ
NAS: came with us, taking us to Mnason
KJV: of Caesarea, and brought with them one
INT: with us bringing [one] with whom

Acts 21:34 V-PNM/P
BIB: θόρυβον ἐκέλευσεν ἄγεσθαι αὐτὸν εἰς
NAS: he ordered him to be brought into the barracks.
KJV: him to be carried into
INT: riot he commanded to be brought him into

Acts 22:5 V-FPA-NMS
BIB: Δαμασκὸν ἐπορευόμην ἄξων καὶ τοὺς
NAS: off for Damascus in order to bring even
KJV: Damascus, to bring them which were
INT: Damascus I went to bring also those

Acts 23:10 V-PNA
BIB: μέσου αὐτῶν ἄγειν τε εἰς
NAS: and take him away from them by force, and bring him into the barracks.
KJV: and to bring [him] into
INT: midst of them to bring [him] moreover into

Acts 23:18 V-AIA-3S
BIB: παραλαβὼν αὐτὸν ἤγαγεν πρὸς τὸν
NAS: he took him and led him to the commander
KJV: him, and brought [him] to
INT: having taken him brought [him] to the

Acts 23:18 V-ANA
BIB: τὸν νεανίσκον ἀγαγεῖν πρὸς σέ
NAS: me to him and asked me to lead this
KJV: unto [him], and prayed me to bring this
INT: young man to lead to you

Acts 23:31 V-AIA-3P
BIB: τὸν Παῦλον ἤγαγον διὰ νυκτὸς
NAS: Paul and brought him by night
KJV: took Paul, and brought [him] by night
INT: Paul brought [him] by night

Acts 25:6 V-ANP
BIB: τὸν Παῦλον ἀχθῆναι
NAS: and ordered Paul to be brought.
KJV: commanded Paul to be brought.
INT: Paul to be brought

Acts 25:17 V-ANP
BIB: βήματος ἐκέλευσα ἀχθῆναι τὸν ἄνδρα
NAS: the man to be brought before me.
KJV: the man to be brought forth.
INT: judgment seat I commanded to be brought the man

Acts 25:23 V-AIP-3S
BIB: τοῦ Φήστου ἤχθη ὁ Παῦλος
NAS: of Festus, Paul was brought in.
KJV: commandment Paul was brought forth.
INT: Festus was brought Paul

Romans 2:4 V-PIA-3S
BIB: μετάνοιάν σε ἄγει
NAS: of God leads you to repentance?
KJV: the goodness of God leadeth thee to
INT: repentance you leads

Romans 8:14 V-PIM/P-3P
BIB: πνεύματι θεοῦ ἄγονται οὗτοι υἱοὶ
NAS: For all who are being led by the Spirit
KJV: as many as are led by the Spirit
INT: by [the] Spirit of God are led these sons

1 Corinthians 12:2 V-IIM/P-2P
BIB: ὡς ἂν ἤγεσθε ἀπαγόμενοι
NAS: idols, however you were led.
KJV: idols, even as ye were led.
INT: as anyhow you might be led led away

Galatians 5:18 V-PIM/P-2P
BIB: δὲ πνεύματι ἄγεσθε οὐκ ἐστὲ
NAS: But if you are led by the Spirit,
KJV: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are
INT: moreover [the] Spirit you are led by not you are

1 Thessalonians 4:14 V-FIA-3S
BIB: τοῦ Ἰησοῦ ἄξει σὺν αὐτῷ
NAS: God will bring with Him those
KJV: will God bring with him.
INT: Jesus will bring with him

2 Timothy 3:6 V-PPM/P-ANP
BIB: σεσωρευμένα ἁμαρτίαις ἀγόμενα ἐπιθυμίαις ποικίλαις
NAS: with sins, led on by various
KJV: with sins, led away with divers
INT: burdened with sins led away by lusts various

2 Timothy 4:11 V-PMA-2S
BIB: Μάρκον ἀναλαβὼν ἄγε μετὰ σεαυτοῦ
NAS: up Mark and bring him with you, for he is useful
KJV: Take Mark, and bring him with thee:
INT: Mark having taken bring with yourself

Hebrews 2:10 V-APA-AMS
BIB: εἰς δόξαν ἀγαγόντα τὸν ἀρχηγὸν
NAS: are all things, in bringing many
KJV: [are] all things, in bringing many
INT: to glory having brought the author

James 4:13 V-PMA-2S
BIB: Ἄγε νῦν οἱ
INT: Come now you who

James 5:1 V-PMA-2S
BIB: Ἄγε νῦν οἱ
INT: Come now


LOOKS LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE PURPOSES OF GOD, SINCE HE IS GOD.
DELIVERING SONS TO GLORY.

of course the Spirit teaches us.

The Spirit does more than just teach, just bring to understanding things of our lives for us to see through our reading of the Word and by His leading us in our life. Notice the 'active' and 'passive' nature of the words just shown, 'through' being 'active voice,' and, 'by' being 'passive voice.'

The Holy Spirit, therefore, teaches us all truth, which will be revelation for our lives, thus, the word 'reveal,' the great, mighty, mysterious word, 'reveal' said in Scripture, as we cannot see something if it's not in the open, to put it in layman's terms. A box of rocks is not seen behind a black veil or curtain or blanket or ?? until.......


.....it is revealed God STOPS up our understanding until we show a faith in Him, and, this faith does NOT have to be perfect, of course, that is where He comes in who leads us, who is God, who is Jesus, His Son, who is whom He gave us for right relationship BACK with Him, who is Christ Himself, the visible image of the invisible God ( Col. 1:15) who is God in the spirit, in the flesh, in the heavens now, wanting so much for you to continue forth your life in faith, reading His Word, listening to His still small voice, thus, revealed, showing you great and mighty things that will bless you as you faith-fully go and, in the Spirit, bring glory to Him, that is, He who is in you, that is, He who is with God now in heaven, that is, He who is God alone, Christ alone, the Holy Spirit alone, ALL leading your life by grace, through faith, not looking back, plowing ahead, working, toiling, NOT looking back, plowing ahead, working, toiling, NOT looking back, plowing ahead, working..........

 

[zone]

Zone showed tht the Holy Spirit LEADS the children of God.... well what if a person do not FOLOW THE LEAD?

You see, my point is, if the Holy Spirit LEADS the children of God, HOW CAN THEY SIN. the Spirit will not lead them into sin or temptation, but He will lead them OUT of sin and AWAY from temptation.... God KNOWS to deliver the righteous from all temptation... GOD KNOWS the Word says...

So not only does the HOLY SPIRIT leads the Children of God, THEY FOLLOW HIM....

only those who are born again (saved by grace through FAITH IN CHRIST's CROSS AND RESURRECTION) receive the Holy Spirit.

He will not fail.

He delivers. He is the GUARANTEE on the future inheritance.

Will God not take possession of what He has purchased?

who can separate us from the love of God?

He is able, He is GOD.

He's not fifty miles up the road out of sight calling and you have to "follow" His lead to where you do not know.

He will not fail.

is The Trinity not working toward the same end?

God is ONE.

 

[Cobus]

Now is time for me to once again say these few words, and maybe Zone and MANY will see the Gospel of God in this...
The Holy Spirit LEADS before HE FILLS....

The Holy Spirit of God leads a person before He fills that person. God send Jesus to pay for ALL people God wants to save. Yet not all CALLED people are saved, for God says: MANY are called FEW are chosen.

Who are these many people that try to enter but does not succeed? Luke 13:24... Strive hard to enter in at the straight gate: for MANY will seek to enter in, and shall NOT BE ABLE... What is the difference between those that seek to enter, and those that actually do? Who are the people that seek to enter, and why are they NOT ABLE to enter?

I guess we should ask what is the difference between the tow groups... BOTH SEEK TO ENTER, that is why they want to enter, but only one group are ABLE.... What is the difference between the two groups?

When we study salvation and how God saves, we come to realize that even if people are reproofed of sin it does not mean they have the Holy Spirit in them. And the ones that are made ONE WITH GOD, as Zone again stated correctly, these people are the ones that are filled with the Holy Spirit.

John 17 says that they are not only made ONE WITH GOD, but also perfectly made one with eachother... WOW! That is the power of the salvation of God.... ONE SPIRIT ONE BODY ONE MIND AND ONE FATHER! ONE TRUTH.... God's Word is tha Truth. That is why they all worship God with ONE SPIRIT AND ONE HEART.... Do I hope to be ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS...

 

[homwardbound]

Now is time for me to once again say these few words, and maybe Zone and MANY will see the Gospel of God in this...
The Holy Spirit LEADS before HE FILLS....

The Holy Spirit of God leads a person before He fills that person. God send Jesus to pay for ALL people God wants to save. Yet not all CALLED people are saved, for God says: MANY are called FEW are chosen.

Who are these many people that try to enter but does not succeed? Luke 13:24... Strive hard to enter in at the straight gate: for MANY will seek to enter in, and shall NOT BE ABLE... What is the difference between those that seek to enter, and those that actually do? Who are the people that seek to enter, and why are they NOT ABLE to enter?

I guess we should ask what is the difference between the tow groups... BOTH SEEK TO ENTER, that is why they want to enter, but only one group are ABLE.... What is the difference between the two groups?

When we study salvation and how God saves, we come to realize that even if people are reproofed of sin it does not mean they have the Holy Spirit in them. And the ones that are made ONE WITH GOD, as Zone again stated correctly, these people are the ones that are filled with the Holy Spirit.

John 17 says that they are not only made ONE WITH GOD, but also perfectly made one with eachother... WOW! That is the power of the salvation of God.... ONE SPIRIT ONE BODY ONE MIND AND ONE FATHER! ONE TRUTH.... God's Word is tha Truth. That is why they all worship God with ONE SPIRIT AND ONE HEART.... Do I hope to be ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS...

[h=3]Colossians 1:15-23[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Supremacy of the Son of God[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.[SUP]16 [/SUP]For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. [SUP]19[/SUP]For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, [SUP]20 [/SUP]and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
[SUP]23 [/SUP]if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

We have been past tense 100% forgiven, made Holy by God's doing, not man's at all. verse 22, cobus, clear as a bell, and Eph 1:7 as well
Ephesians 1:7
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

Acts 10:43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

[h=3]Ephesians 1:13[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

 

[lisa79]

I hope I am not stepping out of line or posting wrong. If so I apologise and I don't mind correction as I am new here. I believe that there are many unseen truths in the Bible. I can tell you how it was revealed it to me. We know that Adam and Eve sinned against God and where cast out of the garden. You are right was no written command for Cain and Abel to do as they did. Before the fall man walked through the garden conversating with God. I am sure Adam knew (as Adam was not deceived) full well the things that please Him and Adam understood that God is just and must have continued to serve God even after the fall because what is not written tells us that someone taught both Cain and Able to worship God the only other two humans that could have were...Adam and Eve. This tells me they made their peace with God.

 

[homwardbound]

I hope I am not stepping out of line or posting wrong. If so I apologise and I don't mind correction as I am new here. I believe that there are many unseen truths in the Bible. I can tell you how it was revealed it to me. We know that Adam and Eve sinned against God and where cast out of the garden. You are right was no written command for Cain and Abel to do as they did. Before the fall man walked through the garden conversating with God. I am sure Adam knew (as Adam was not deceived) full well the things that please Him and Adam understood that God is just and must have continued to serve God even after the fall because what is not written tells us that someone taught both Cain and Able to worship God the only other two humans that could have were...Adam and Eve. This tells me they made their peace with God.

First Lisa79, welcome aboard here, and I like your insightful share you just shared. Yes Mercy from day one God showed on has shown as final through Son to us all, that believe