Holy Spirit - teaching and leading us into God
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I wrote this...
"Of course 'His' voice is His voice. The problem is there are other voices as well and we need to test all voices against Scripture."
Why do you say this...?
"It's okay if you don't understand what we're talking about."
How about some substance in your response besides a personal slur? Or is that what the spirit is leading you to say?
"Of course 'His' voice is His voice. The problem is there are other voices as well and we need to test all voices against Scripture."
Why do you say this...?
"It's okay if you don't understand what we're talking about."
How about some substance in your response besides a personal slur? Or is that what the spirit is leading you to say?
I understood Peter.at least I think I did. I think he was seeing "heresy" as...kind of like...an area in which we might be saying something untrue, but not out of a desire to sin but because we just haven't been taught it yet by God and are seeing some things He's said wrongly, either by our own reasoning or by something men have taught us. He will correct us. He isn't grieved. He's patient! He knows we're all in some errors. But sometimes we don't know it!
I also didn't get a lick of sleep last night, worrying over another brother who is facing some awful torments and I don't know how to best help him. I need sleep and I blew off classes because of lack of sleep over the matter and I've been telling myself to go lie down for a long time now. So please forgive my rashness.
Oh I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to attack or slur you. We had just talked about that and I thought you didn't understand what had been said about it and I was just saying, its okay. Hey, sometimes you guys talk about something I have no knowledge of yet. But then...those are the threads I avidly read and try to understand a bit but don't open my big mouth in so...you wouldn't know that I guess. Since I only open my big mouth in threads I think I have some possible help in, I would think it seems like I'm a know it all. Oh lol! I've told myself I need to go back through and hit some likes where I seemed to be grasping and understanding but I think I don't concentrate on doing that because I'm focused on what's being said instead so...no one has any clue that I've been there and spent time on y'alls efforts to help and share with what you've been given.
I wasn't making a slur against you. I thought you just didn't understand. But it's easy to sometimes miss posts too so...i'ma shut up now or I'll go on forever trying to convince you I wasn't trying to say anything bad about you. I can go on and on, just in case you haven't noticed!
I wasn't making a slur against you. I thought you just didn't understand. But it's easy to sometimes miss posts too so...i'ma shut up now or I'll go on forever trying to convince you I wasn't trying to say anything bad about you. I can go on and on, just in case you haven't noticed!
So, what I wanted to share earlier was something I heard a man speak about in a video. He was talking about our conscience, what it was, and where it came from.
Conscience is not something Adam and Eve were created with, he says, and after I heard his entire talk, I agree.
Conscience, I've heard, is- sigh, doggy scratching at door have to take him for walk. He doesn't feed, water, or walk himself, which I didn't fully grasp when I said I would give him a home. Be back, sorry.
Conscience is not something Adam and Eve were created with, he says, and after I heard his entire talk, I agree.
Conscience, I've heard, is- sigh, doggy scratching at door have to take him for walk. He doesn't feed, water, or walk himself, which I didn't fully grasp when I said I would give him a home. Be back, sorry.
I'mback.
Okay, so conscience is something they were not created with, he says.
Conscience is something in us that enables us to see good and evil.
The tree they were not supposed to eat from is the knowledge of good and evil.
No conscience condemned them until after they ate the fruit.
But after they ate it, they were condemned, knew they were naked and guilty.
But there is now no condemnation for we who are in Christ. And here's a part, not from this man I listened to but something God showed me, that felt like it would destroy me for the sorrow it gave me. There is now no more condemnation for me because I'm in Christ, and to go on thinking there is still condemnation for me sometimes because I still sin sometimes, is to trample the blood under my feet and call it unclean.to call myself unclean, to condemn myself, is to call unclean what God has called clean. And it is to call that precious blood unclean and not good enough.
So I see that this conscience I inherited is a little fritzy. It doesn't work at 100% at all times.
Now, there is chastisement, there is chastisement and renewing the way I think, there is being sorry that I was in error and even taught that error to others, there is renewing my mind to understand things with Gods mind instead of the way my fritzy mind and conscience reason things out, there is all of this. But the one thing there isn't is condemnation for me.
They used to make the yearly offering and if they then went out and sinned, they knew they were covered for 11 more months. But this didn't cleanse their conscience. They knew in another 11 months, another animal had to be killed to cover them. The blood of bulls was not able to cleanse their conscience. The only thing standing between them and Gods wrath was 11 months and another sacrifice.
Is this making sense so far?
Okay, so conscience is something they were not created with, he says.
Conscience is something in us that enables us to see good and evil.
The tree they were not supposed to eat from is the knowledge of good and evil.
No conscience condemned them until after they ate the fruit.
But after they ate it, they were condemned, knew they were naked and guilty.
But there is now no condemnation for we who are in Christ. And here's a part, not from this man I listened to but something God showed me, that felt like it would destroy me for the sorrow it gave me. There is now no more condemnation for me because I'm in Christ, and to go on thinking there is still condemnation for me sometimes because I still sin sometimes, is to trample the blood under my feet and call it unclean.to call myself unclean, to condemn myself, is to call unclean what God has called clean. And it is to call that precious blood unclean and not good enough.
So I see that this conscience I inherited is a little fritzy. It doesn't work at 100% at all times.
Now, there is chastisement, there is chastisement and renewing the way I think, there is being sorry that I was in error and even taught that error to others, there is renewing my mind to understand things with Gods mind instead of the way my fritzy mind and conscience reason things out, there is all of this. But the one thing there isn't is condemnation for me.
They used to make the yearly offering and if they then went out and sinned, they knew they were covered for 11 more months. But this didn't cleanse their conscience. They knew in another 11 months, another animal had to be killed to cover them. The blood of bulls was not able to cleanse their conscience. The only thing standing between them and Gods wrath was 11 months and another sacrifice.
Is this making sense so far?
A few thoughts on the conscience...
I believe the conscience is a product of the fall of Adam when he sinned and ate the fruit. It is from eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and notice that the knowledge of good and evil are the same fruit on that tree.
Adam just knew himself and God...not evil. So, he only had a good mindset or state of being ( I don't think it's accurate to say he had a conscience as you need to know both good and evil ).
When God came to walk with Adam and he hid..God said to him.." Who told you that you were naked?"...there is a voice that comes to either accuse when you do bad ( as in this case ) or to defend you when you do good now.
The doing good fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ....is the self-righteous doing good deeds to justify themselves...and in this case their conscience "defends" them.....that they are doing ok and vindicated....these are called dead works in the eyes of the Lord.
In Christ we have had our conscience purged with the blood of Jesus so we are to have no more a sin consciousness.
Hebrews 9:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Now in Christ we have a pure, good conscience because of Christ in us.
The people in the world not knowing Christ have the conscience based on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which either accuses or defends their behavior. There is also a seared conscience in them which can occur where they think evil is good.
It's the knowledge of the Law that activates the conscience in people. The Law is the knowledge of good and evil and was really brought into this earth at the fall of Adam. The Law is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Only God can live with the knowledge of the Law knowing good and evil which is why He didn't want them to eat of the fruit of the tree in the garden...but God gave man a choice. Eat from the tree of Life is His original purpose for mankind. Christ is our Life now as we are in Him and He is in us. We eat of Him. We are new creations in Christ.
Romans 2:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
I believe the conscience is a product of the fall of Adam when he sinned and ate the fruit. It is from eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and notice that the knowledge of good and evil are the same fruit on that tree.
Adam just knew himself and God...not evil. So, he only had a good mindset or state of being ( I don't think it's accurate to say he had a conscience as you need to know both good and evil ).
When God came to walk with Adam and he hid..God said to him.." Who told you that you were naked?"...there is a voice that comes to either accuse when you do bad ( as in this case ) or to defend you when you do good now.
The doing good fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ....is the self-righteous doing good deeds to justify themselves...and in this case their conscience "defends" them.....that they are doing ok and vindicated....these are called dead works in the eyes of the Lord.
In Christ we have had our conscience purged with the blood of Jesus so we are to have no more a sin consciousness.
Hebrews 9:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Now in Christ we have a pure, good conscience because of Christ in us.
The people in the world not knowing Christ have the conscience based on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which either accuses or defends their behavior. There is also a seared conscience in them which can occur where they think evil is good.
It's the knowledge of the Law that activates the conscience in people. The Law is the knowledge of good and evil and was really brought into this earth at the fall of Adam. The Law is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Only God can live with the knowledge of the Law knowing good and evil which is why He didn't want them to eat of the fruit of the tree in the garden...but God gave man a choice. Eat from the tree of Life is His original purpose for mankind. Christ is our Life now as we are in Him and He is in us. We eat of Him. We are new creations in Christ.
Romans 2:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
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