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Funny how its always a broken and incomplete or mistranlated bible when it doesnt fit into your belief..
the example i used was only to show that just because you feel your a certain way doesnt make it natural and intended by God..Just cause you feel that your born gay doesnt mean it is a correct view. Scripture cannot be more clear than it is concerning homosexuality, no matter how hard you try and say its mistranslated or in error..
Paul was not writing to Roman society where you get that i'll never know.
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
How do you get "The Book of Romans was a series of letters written by Paul, sent to the Roman Emperor, Queen and their council"
how do you get that from whom Paul addressed the letter too?
"Notice, Paul's letter was addressed to the "higher ups" of Roman faith, and rarely if at all talked about everyday life."
the higher ups??? huh?? called to be saints to you means "higher ups in faith?? no that is everyone who is in Christ..bornagain believers..Paul is writing to believers in Rome and very much touches "things of everday life" the letter has nothing to do with people going to pagan temples and having sex with the priests and priestesses..your saying that believers in Rome were doing this?
why dont you read it again and pay close attention to the words
uncleanness
dishonour
vile affections
the natural use into that which is against nature
natural use of the woman
unseemly
error
reprobate mind
unrighteousness,
fornication,
wickedness,
covetousness,
maliciousness;
full of envy,
murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters,
haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding,
covenantbreakers,
without natural affection,
implacable, unmerciful
How is this nothing to do with everyday life???
Explain how over and over again it describes the un-natural, that which is against the natural...it is so clear..how you can read this text and not see ANY problem with the unatural use of the same sex is beyond me..seems you just need to justify sinful actions...Sorry mate but Homosexuality is Unnatural and goes against Gods will and that is exactly the point ive tried to make here on this thread..just cause a person feels it is natural doesnt make it so in Gods eyes..
the example i used was only to show that just because you feel your a certain way doesnt make it natural and intended by God..Just cause you feel that your born gay doesnt mean it is a correct view. Scripture cannot be more clear than it is concerning homosexuality, no matter how hard you try and say its mistranslated or in error..
Paul was not writing to Roman society where you get that i'll never know.
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
How do you get "The Book of Romans was a series of letters written by Paul, sent to the Roman Emperor, Queen and their council"
how do you get that from whom Paul addressed the letter too?
"Notice, Paul's letter was addressed to the "higher ups" of Roman faith, and rarely if at all talked about everyday life."
the higher ups??? huh?? called to be saints to you means "higher ups in faith?? no that is everyone who is in Christ..bornagain believers..Paul is writing to believers in Rome and very much touches "things of everday life" the letter has nothing to do with people going to pagan temples and having sex with the priests and priestesses..your saying that believers in Rome were doing this?
why dont you read it again and pay close attention to the words
uncleanness
dishonour
vile affections
the natural use into that which is against nature
natural use of the woman
unseemly
error
reprobate mind
unrighteousness,
fornication,
wickedness,
covetousness,
maliciousness;
full of envy,
murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters,
haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding,
covenantbreakers,
without natural affection,
implacable, unmerciful
How is this nothing to do with everyday life???
Explain how over and over again it describes the un-natural, that which is against the natural...it is so clear..how you can read this text and not see ANY problem with the unatural use of the same sex is beyond me..seems you just need to justify sinful actions...Sorry mate but Homosexuality is Unnatural and goes against Gods will and that is exactly the point ive tried to make here on this thread..just cause a person feels it is natural doesnt make it so in Gods eyes..
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MHM.......uncleanness
dishonour
vile affections
the natural use into that which is against nature
natural use of the woman
unseemly
error
reprobate mind
unrighteousness,
fornication,
wickedness,
covetousness,
maliciousness;
full of envy,
murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters,
haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding,Pretty much sums it up fo me.
dishonour
vile affections
the natural use into that which is against nature
natural use of the woman
unseemly
error
reprobate mind
unrighteousness,
fornication,
wickedness,
covetousness,
maliciousness;
full of envy,
murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters,
haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding,Pretty much sums it up fo me.
That's not even an intelligent question. "Sodomy" is an English word create in medieval times England to legally define "unnatural sex." And this would include all things that isn't one penis and one vagina going together. So gay sex of all kinds, but also oral sex, anal sex and all other forms of sexual contact between two people, even straight married people.
They named the word after Sodom (the city) b/c of the translation issues, which equaled sodom's sin to consensual gay sex, not the rape that is clearly going on in the book that people refuse to realize.
They named the word after Sodom (the city) b/c of the translation issues, which equaled sodom's sin to consensual gay sex, not the rape that is clearly going on in the book that people refuse to realize.
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Ill try and explain my take on sex before marriage FSU, now keep in mind, this is my opinion from what I have gathered from reading . The way i explained to my children was, when you enter into a marriage with someone, its a covenant, a blood convenant, obviously if the woman has never been with anyone ( you get my meaning on the blood thing). NOW, if your both chaste, havent ever been with anyone else etc, etc...you see where I get blood covenant. Im not condemning ppl who have had prior relationships, they have whatever reasons, its just when explaining this to my daughters, I didnt just want to say because its wrong...I wanted them to know WHY its was important. With all the STDs and unprotected sex, obviously if you and your partner never had sex with anyone else, then this is not such a worry. Plus, God took vows VERY seriously...your pledging to spend your life with this person before God, you obviously know my stance from responces on this thread, and Im not wavering because I believe it wholeheartedly, just giving a opinion.
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I agree with that.
I actually find it interesting with the whole debate on homosexuality and whether it is a sin. Jesus specificaly said it was and homosexuals could not expect to go to heaven. That said, in the same breath He said the same for killers, liars, adulterures, thiefs, etc, etc. It is also said in the Bible to lie with a man like a woman is an abomination. The same is said for lying lips.
I actually find it interesting with the whole debate on homosexuality and whether it is a sin. Jesus specificaly said it was and homosexuals could not expect to go to heaven. That said, in the same breath He said the same for killers, liars, adulterures, thiefs, etc, etc. It is also said in the Bible to lie with a man like a woman is an abomination. The same is said for lying lips.
Since when is there more than one kind of love,does sex have anything to do with love.I find sex not necessary but I am celebit
We can love people just as much as everyone else in here and not have sex with any of them.Jesus did it.Paul did it.Im doing it.We are not asking people to give up what God has created,We are asking them to Live by the spirit.
Love a friend in God
We can love people just as much as everyone else in here and not have sex with any of them.Jesus did it.Paul did it.Im doing it.We are not asking people to give up what God has created,We are asking them to Live by the spirit.
Love a friend in God
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but there are kinds of love in the bible...there are four in the greek, three are used, all but "eros" love is used in scripture..
examine them for a second
the greek word that refers to the love of God, one of the kinds of love we are to have for people, is "agape." love....it can be known from the action it prompts people today are used to thinking of love as a feeling... but that is not necessarily the case with agape love... agape is love because of what it does, not because of how it feels....
the kind of love i believe that is forbidden and condemned by God is the romantic sexual love..the union of bodies into one.. is "eros" love
greek word for sexual love or passionate love is "eros" u get the english words such as “erotic” ..referes to the greek god of love..
third word for “love” is phileo which means “to have a special interest in someone or something, frequently with focus on close association; have affection for, like, consider someone a friend a strong liking or a strong friendship
fourth greek word for love to consider is "storge" which is the love and affection that naturally occurs between parents and children can exist between siblings and exists between husbands and wives in a good marriage..
Are you trying to tell me that a Gay couple has no interest in "eros" love? there is no doubt that agape phileo love can be shared between two same sex people..those kinds of love sure no problem..it is when "eros" love is introduced..and lets be frank where are all these celibate virginal couples out there? ones without absolutley no sexual attraction for their "partner"..?
you guys have been arguing that gay people are born with eros love of the same sex..you say thats who they are attracted too they cant change that..but then you try to argue that oh no no there are people where eros love is not involved..but thats their attraction attraction to the same sex..
so yes there are kinds of love and kinds of love forbidden by God..
just because same sex people can share agape and phileo love which would be ok doesnt mean that being gay doesnt involve eros love.
examine them for a second
the greek word that refers to the love of God, one of the kinds of love we are to have for people, is "agape." love....it can be known from the action it prompts people today are used to thinking of love as a feeling... but that is not necessarily the case with agape love... agape is love because of what it does, not because of how it feels....
the kind of love i believe that is forbidden and condemned by God is the romantic sexual love..the union of bodies into one.. is "eros" love
greek word for sexual love or passionate love is "eros" u get the english words such as “erotic” ..referes to the greek god of love..
third word for “love” is phileo which means “to have a special interest in someone or something, frequently with focus on close association; have affection for, like, consider someone a friend a strong liking or a strong friendship
fourth greek word for love to consider is "storge" which is the love and affection that naturally occurs between parents and children can exist between siblings and exists between husbands and wives in a good marriage..
Are you trying to tell me that a Gay couple has no interest in "eros" love? there is no doubt that agape phileo love can be shared between two same sex people..those kinds of love sure no problem..it is when "eros" love is introduced..and lets be frank where are all these celibate virginal couples out there? ones without absolutley no sexual attraction for their "partner"..?
you guys have been arguing that gay people are born with eros love of the same sex..you say thats who they are attracted too they cant change that..but then you try to argue that oh no no there are people where eros love is not involved..but thats their attraction attraction to the same sex..
so yes there are kinds of love and kinds of love forbidden by God..
just because same sex people can share agape and phileo love which would be ok doesnt mean that being gay doesnt involve eros love.
These men attempted to rape an angel... I'd be pissed too if my messenger was being attacked by random people. The "wickedness" of Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't mainly homosexuality at all. Clearly you ignore Ezekiel all together. The link you posted was flawed in that it completely IGNORED the fact that Ezekial made no reference to gays and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah never referenced consensual gay sex between two men who WEREN'T married to women (cheating.) That can only mean that God doesn't like 1. rape, and 2. cheating.
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Judges 19:22 *¶Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23 *And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
And your going to say this wasn't homosexuality, but rape. As well as the whole tribe of Benjamin defending these few wicked men against all of the rest of the tribes of Israel. Why did these rapists first demand the men, then settle for the woman. I would think if they were heterosexuals they would have wanted the woman first.
Judges 19:24 *Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25 *But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
23 *And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
And your going to say this wasn't homosexuality, but rape. As well as the whole tribe of Benjamin defending these few wicked men against all of the rest of the tribes of Israel. Why did these rapists first demand the men, then settle for the woman. I would think if they were heterosexuals they would have wanted the woman first.
Judges 19:24 *Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25 *But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
a boy i know was born in a brothal from the age of 7 he has had sex with women and men his first experiances with sex are with men ,he spent the good time of his life confused wether he was gay or straight liking woman but relating his first exp with men.When he was older he left the brothal and started a life.He said in his heart i dont see any man on earth worth following. Just as i will not let people have sex with me anymore without consent i will not let anyone tell me ,what is wrong or right especially a man.Now the boy is into booze and drugs not happy having sex once in awail with what ever he wants.God suddenly calls him and shows him his life,he is shaking as God shows him all his sins,he says i hate myself
God says im calling you out of the life the world created for you,i will show you a happy life,One where mens lust wont touch you.I will show you the lyer lying to you and you are just a product of bad enviroment.
There is no condemnation,Lust from others made the world around you.
Get ye out,Get ye out, oh my people
Not one of you in here has the right to make this boy feel worse by calling him unclean bla bla
not one of you is without sin
We are not permitted to condem people,
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I hope you see how lust almost killed this boy,That God is merciful
Love a friend in God
God says im calling you out of the life the world created for you,i will show you a happy life,One where mens lust wont touch you.I will show you the lyer lying to you and you are just a product of bad enviroment.
There is no condemnation,Lust from others made the world around you.
Get ye out,Get ye out, oh my people
Not one of you in here has the right to make this boy feel worse by calling him unclean bla bla
not one of you is without sin
We are not permitted to condem people,
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I hope you see how lust almost killed this boy,That God is merciful
Love a friend in God
They're CLEARLY rape. If you knew something about psychological disorders, rape has very little to do with actual sexuality (straight, gay) and a lot to do with power. Men rape women (or men) to feel dominant and more powerful than their victims. While most people who rape men are gay and women, straight, there isn't a perfect correlation, as with child molesters, many of whom are married to a woman for years before they start having sex with little kids of both genders.
And obviously, the men DID rape the concubine, because they raped her all night and left her for dead until the Levite man found her in the morning and chopped her into pieces.
And this story, along with the story of Lot, appears that the reason they don't want to let people rape their guests (the Levite or the angel) is b/c they are guests, and that would be bad hospitality. Read the NRSV version, it's rather clear/.
And obviously, the men DID rape the concubine, because they raped her all night and left her for dead until the Levite man found her in the morning and chopped her into pieces.
And this story, along with the story of Lot, appears that the reason they don't want to let people rape their guests (the Levite or the angel) is b/c they are guests, and that would be bad hospitality. Read the NRSV version, it's rather clear/.
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I admit that I haven't read all posts in detail, but it appears that everyone seems to be ignoring Leviticus 18, verse 22, ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." And Leviticus 20:13, which is even more explicit "‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Where is the room for argument?! Homosexuality is a sin is a sin is a sin. No matter how you want to spin it, God thinks it is "detestable". Now, that being said, I think the question really is, "How should Christians react to homosexuals and homosexuality?". I believe that they should approach the individual gay person with love and forgiveness; just as with any other sinner. The problem arises, in my opinion, when the situation spills over into "gay pride" and similar movements.
"Proud" gays don't just want people to accept them; they want people to embrace them. They flaunt their lifestyle to the world, and challenge anyone to call them out for it. You can bet your last dollar that this behavior is irksome (if not infuriating) to God. Proverbs 8, verse 13, says "To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech." Throughout history, how has God reacted to excessive pride? "Though the pride of the godless person reaches to the heavens and his head touches the clouds, he will perish forever, like his own dung; those who have seen him will say, ‘Where is he?" (Job 20:6-7) Can anyone say "a-i-d-s"?
So, I believe that not only is it our right as Christians to speak out against homosexuality (not individual homosexuals), guaranteed by the First Amendment, it is our duty as believers to convey to the world what God thinks of this abomination. As with any sinners, gays have the choice to repent or continue in sin, but it is our obligation to make sure that they have all pertinent information at their disposal when making that choice.
Oh yeah, one other thing. (I guess that this where my post officially becomes 'ranting and raving'.) I get tired of hearing that gay people "can't help the way they feel". That may be true but they sure can help having sex. It's called "abstinence" and millions of people practice it every day!
Where is the room for argument?! Homosexuality is a sin is a sin is a sin. No matter how you want to spin it, God thinks it is "detestable". Now, that being said, I think the question really is, "How should Christians react to homosexuals and homosexuality?". I believe that they should approach the individual gay person with love and forgiveness; just as with any other sinner. The problem arises, in my opinion, when the situation spills over into "gay pride" and similar movements.
"Proud" gays don't just want people to accept them; they want people to embrace them. They flaunt their lifestyle to the world, and challenge anyone to call them out for it. You can bet your last dollar that this behavior is irksome (if not infuriating) to God. Proverbs 8, verse 13, says "To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech." Throughout history, how has God reacted to excessive pride? "Though the pride of the godless person reaches to the heavens and his head touches the clouds, he will perish forever, like his own dung; those who have seen him will say, ‘Where is he?" (Job 20:6-7) Can anyone say "a-i-d-s"?
So, I believe that not only is it our right as Christians to speak out against homosexuality (not individual homosexuals), guaranteed by the First Amendment, it is our duty as believers to convey to the world what God thinks of this abomination. As with any sinners, gays have the choice to repent or continue in sin, but it is our obligation to make sure that they have all pertinent information at their disposal when making that choice.
Oh yeah, one other thing. (I guess that this where my post officially becomes 'ranting and raving'.) I get tired of hearing that gay people "can't help the way they feel". That may be true but they sure can help having sex. It's called "abstinence" and millions of people practice it every day!
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I'd like to know if theoretically God were to be alright with same sex partners, who would be the wife, the one on top or on bottom? do they change places? or are they both husbands in the relationship or both wives of each other? this would be a fascinating subject for talk shows to discuss.
The Bible has lots of scripture on what husbands and wives are supposed to do.
The Bible has lots of scripture on what husbands and wives are supposed to do.