And for all you,who are so quick to condemn them because of their sexual sins,did you yourselves ever struggle with pornography and didn't find that quite so easy to quit and you struggle for months to YEARS with that sin? Yet many of you have had others that have lifted you up in prayer AND HAVE NOT CONDEMNED you for that sin,but would point you to the one who could set you free from that sin.
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Im not condemning homosexual people nor judging them,God has already judged that as sin. If someone is struggling but is a Christian that is different than those who are living the lifestyle many of who want to push that lifestyle on the church to accept them as they are.If you are struggling to overcome a sin I have no issue,if you,Christian or not,say accept me as I am that is where the problem begins. God did make anyone a homosexual,its not ok to be gay according to the word.I had a friend who died not long ago.He was a wonderful Christian man but when he was stressed he would drink until he wouldnt even know where he was. He felt guilty and tried to overcome that sin but the stress just overwhelmed him. Is he in heaven today? No doubt in my mind.Its an attitude of the heart.Wanting to change,there is the difference.
That is part of the problem many are struggling but they get painted with the same broad brush. Part of the problem is with the so called progressive churches that teach them that some of the verses don't mean what other churches are saying on those same verses. That is part of the problem too and some truly believe that the Bible on this issue does not teach what you believe it teaches.
And this is how they do it (This is only part of the article)
[h=2]Explainer: How the Bible splits Christians on homosexuality
[/h] Genesis 19:1-11
The key phrase: 'They called out to Lot, "where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."' (NIV)
A progressive view: The culture of Sodom was depraved, but not because of homosexual activity. Their desire was to dominate these visitors sexually – as was common after victory in battle; putting the vanquished foe in the place of a woman. When the Bible talks variously elsewhere about Sodom's sin, it describes it not as homosexuality, but injustice (Isaiah 1:10-17; Ezekiel 16:48-49). Simply put, this wasn't about homosexuality but brutality.
A traditional view: The fallen city of Sodom was so depraved, that when strangers came to town, the men of the city immediately called for them to be brought out so that they could have sex with them. This demand for homosexual sex was another sign of how deplorable the culture of Sodom had become, and history now remembers this through language – sodomy became a word to describe homosexual sex; a hallmark of a fallen culture.
Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13
The key phrase: 'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death' (20:13, NIV)
A traditional view: Sexual activity between two men is strictly prohibited in the 'purity code' handed out to the Israelites. While Christ's sacrifice removes the 'death penalty' mentioned in 20:13, the rule is still consistent with biblical teachings in the New Testament.
A progressive view: Leviticus is full of rules involving subjects as diverse as mildew, tattoos, and where to go to the toilet, none of which are followed by non-Jews (or indeed by many Jewish people) today. (However, conservative theologian James M Hamilton Jr writes, in his essay 'How to condone what the Bible condemns: Matthew Vines on the Old Testament', that "Read in context, the commands against same-sex relations in Leviticus 18 and 20 mesh perfectly with the moral order of creation presented in Genesis 1-2, correctly interpreted by Jesus in Matthew 19:4-5"). A progressive view might also argue that in a culture where women were treated as property, the 'abomination' here was the act of a man being 'reduced' to the state of a woman by having sex with another man.
Deuteronomy 23:17
The key phrase: 'There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (KJV)'
A progressive view: The NIV translates very differently to the KJV – the verse becomes 'No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute'. There's obviously a world of difference between these two interpretations of the Hebrew word 'quadesh.' A liberal view is therefore that this verse has no bearing on the discussion around same-sex attraction.
A traditional view: The King James Version of this verse implicates all gay men, whether they're engaged in casual sex, or in a committed monogamous relationship. Since Israel is a term for God's people – a family into which all have now been included – this applies beyond simply the Israelites themselves.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/explainer.how.the.bible.splits.christians.on.homosexuality/53031.htm
This too is part of the problem.
And this is how they do it (This is only part of the article)
[h=2]Explainer: How the Bible splits Christians on homosexuality
[/h] Genesis 19:1-11
The key phrase: 'They called out to Lot, "where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."' (NIV)
A progressive view: The culture of Sodom was depraved, but not because of homosexual activity. Their desire was to dominate these visitors sexually – as was common after victory in battle; putting the vanquished foe in the place of a woman. When the Bible talks variously elsewhere about Sodom's sin, it describes it not as homosexuality, but injustice (Isaiah 1:10-17; Ezekiel 16:48-49). Simply put, this wasn't about homosexuality but brutality.
A traditional view: The fallen city of Sodom was so depraved, that when strangers came to town, the men of the city immediately called for them to be brought out so that they could have sex with them. This demand for homosexual sex was another sign of how deplorable the culture of Sodom had become, and history now remembers this through language – sodomy became a word to describe homosexual sex; a hallmark of a fallen culture.
Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13
The key phrase: 'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death' (20:13, NIV)
A traditional view: Sexual activity between two men is strictly prohibited in the 'purity code' handed out to the Israelites. While Christ's sacrifice removes the 'death penalty' mentioned in 20:13, the rule is still consistent with biblical teachings in the New Testament.
A progressive view: Leviticus is full of rules involving subjects as diverse as mildew, tattoos, and where to go to the toilet, none of which are followed by non-Jews (or indeed by many Jewish people) today. (However, conservative theologian James M Hamilton Jr writes, in his essay 'How to condone what the Bible condemns: Matthew Vines on the Old Testament', that "Read in context, the commands against same-sex relations in Leviticus 18 and 20 mesh perfectly with the moral order of creation presented in Genesis 1-2, correctly interpreted by Jesus in Matthew 19:4-5"). A progressive view might also argue that in a culture where women were treated as property, the 'abomination' here was the act of a man being 'reduced' to the state of a woman by having sex with another man.
Deuteronomy 23:17
The key phrase: 'There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (KJV)'
A progressive view: The NIV translates very differently to the KJV – the verse becomes 'No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute'. There's obviously a world of difference between these two interpretations of the Hebrew word 'quadesh.' A liberal view is therefore that this verse has no bearing on the discussion around same-sex attraction.
A traditional view: The King James Version of this verse implicates all gay men, whether they're engaged in casual sex, or in a committed monogamous relationship. Since Israel is a term for God's people – a family into which all have now been included – this applies beyond simply the Israelites themselves.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/explainer.how.the.bible.splits.christians.on.homosexuality/53031.htm
This too is part of the problem.
To be more specific about the title of this thread yes Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin we are to lovingly correct and teach, however some attack specifically certain sins such as homosexuality and create threads even going as far as to use scripture about how God abhors sin and they use scripture about his judgement and wrath and such. sin is sin and we are all sinners, to lovingly correct one another is good but if we begin to judge someone because of a certain sin they live or struggle with then he have over stepped the line. It isn't our place or job to judge others only God's.
Honestly I don't understand the point of this thread, the title says homosexuality is a sin but we all know this already so why make a thread about something we already know? To teach? to simply give ones perspective on the sin itself? Threads such as this only cause war nothing else and I think a lot of ppl who make such threads know this and is why they do it. I don't know about the op as I do not know him but Honestly I would consider what the purpose and motive behind this thread is.
Honestly I don't understand the point of this thread, the title says homosexuality is a sin but we all know this already so why make a thread about something we already know? To teach? to simply give ones perspective on the sin itself? Threads such as this only cause war nothing else and I think a lot of ppl who make such threads know this and is why they do it. I don't know about the op as I do not know him but Honestly I would consider what the purpose and motive behind this thread is.
? Do you even know the value of a persons life? you would have God destroy lives? what if some of these ppl were to be born again next week? What if God plans to use their sins that is their greatest weakness into their greatest strength? I can't imagine a true Christian actually being okay with ppl dying
oh no how do you know they are Gods people, didnt the devil plant his on people aswell?
sleeping with the same sex is anti-life, everything in the earth wants to carry on its genome even the maggots of the earth know to procreate.
I think everybody else is out of tune, hes going to have to come back and whipe this pwhole earth clean, why not get a head start and make it easy on the Big Guy lol
You guys stop making assumptions about other people yall would be ok...
sleeping with the same sex is anti-life, everything in the earth wants to carry on its genome even the maggots of the earth know to procreate.
I think everybody else is out of tune, hes going to have to come back and whipe this pwhole earth clean, why not get a head start and make it easy on the Big Guy lol
You guys stop making assumptions about other people yall would be ok...
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My motives to start this thread have been called to question. So I will start with I just moved into a new home. In the dining room is a glass chandelier. When the light is on it casts a rainbow in many places in the dining room. Its actually beautiful. After a few seconds of seeing it the first time it reminded me of a pride flag I took down some months ago that was flying on the side of the highway. The thought came to my mind that some would distort the covenant relationship God has with all mankind and twist this beautiful covenant onto a sign of sin. It actually saddens me that this agenda had gained so much ground. I do not sit in the seat of the scornful. I do not sit with a log in my eye and say take out your splinter. I have taken my log out that is how I am able to see that that splinter in the eyes of the homosexual is painful and shameful. I stand as one delivered not bound and tell the bound that there is deliverance.
C
As someone who struggles with same sex attraction, I am thankful that many of the responses on this thread mention that all sin is equal. I do not engage with what feels like a natural attraction for me, nor do I have the desire to (thanks be to God for this strength!) I am sometimes jealous of my brothers and sisters in Christ who can and will marry with fairly normal heterosexual lives. As someone who secretly struggles with this sin, thank you for acknowledging that it is just as sinful as any other sin.
Just a few days ago, I was in a Christian Chat room. A young man started speaking of his struggle and he was at a crisis with his relationship with God. He didn't understand a lot of things. I confessed that I too struggled with same sex attraction, but that with God's grace I have had the strength to overcome. The reaction from the room? There was disgust. Someone laughed and said: Great, another homo? They belittled this young man...and he left because he said he did not feel welcome. I was enraged! At no point should we ever condone sin or any kind of lust, but the reaction that kid experienced seemed to go beyond.
Therefore I urge you to voice the understanding that all sin is equal, that while you do not condone acting on the attraction (please don't call it a lifestyle, that's just a can of worms....It assumes a lot of things), you still want the person to know Christ our Lord.
Annnnnnnddddd end rant.
Just a few days ago, I was in a Christian Chat room. A young man started speaking of his struggle and he was at a crisis with his relationship with God. He didn't understand a lot of things. I confessed that I too struggled with same sex attraction, but that with God's grace I have had the strength to overcome. The reaction from the room? There was disgust. Someone laughed and said: Great, another homo? They belittled this young man...and he left because he said he did not feel welcome. I was enraged! At no point should we ever condone sin or any kind of lust, but the reaction that kid experienced seemed to go beyond.
Therefore I urge you to voice the understanding that all sin is equal, that while you do not condone acting on the attraction (please don't call it a lifestyle, that's just a can of worms....It assumes a lot of things), you still want the person to know Christ our Lord.
Annnnnnnddddd end rant.