Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!
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The bible does say multiple times that God does not like homosexuality. Does it not?
Where in the bible does it say a person with physical and mental disabilities is a sin?
Just because someone is heterosexual does not mean they are free from sexual sin. There is fornication and adultery which is as sinful as homosexuality so I agree people should be consistent. One may be attracted to the same sex, but that does not mean they should act on it. Having temptation isn't wrong. Jesus was even tempted by the devil. Acting on that temptation is where there is a problem.
Where in the bible does it say a person with physical and mental disabilities is a sin?
Just because someone is heterosexual does not mean they are free from sexual sin. There is fornication and adultery which is as sinful as homosexuality so I agree people should be consistent. One may be attracted to the same sex, but that does not mean they should act on it. Having temptation isn't wrong. Jesus was even tempted by the devil. Acting on that temptation is where there is a problem.
Exactly...so why do Christians put so much emphasis on whether people are born with homosexual tendencies or not? When I was talking about children being born with disabilities, I was simply saying that the sin in this world creates situations where people are born imperfectly (not because anyone specifically sins, but because satan is the ruler of this world and it's a fallen world) - and this could include having a homosexual orientation. If Christians accept the fact that the fallenness of this world could lead to a child being born with a physical impairment, then why all of the opposition to the idea that someone could be born homosexual?
No one is born with something that is an outright sin. I am a single mother. I wasn't born to fornicate one night and get pregnant. Just because I am a heterosexual female doesn't mean I don't struggle with sex. I am 34 for crying out loud. I have weaknesses and desires too! But I know it is a sin.
A married person isn't born to cheat on their spouse. It is their decision. A serial killer isn't born to kill. It is a choice. As well as being a liar, thief, prostitute. So why is it that when homosexuality comes up it is the only sin that someone is born with?
I do agree that illness is linked to sin, but can one be an amputee and still be close to God? Yes.
Can a man have sex with another man and still be close to God? No.
A married person isn't born to cheat on their spouse. It is their decision. A serial killer isn't born to kill. It is a choice. As well as being a liar, thief, prostitute. So why is it that when homosexuality comes up it is the only sin that someone is born with?
I do agree that illness is linked to sin, but can one be an amputee and still be close to God? Yes.
Can a man have sex with another man and still be close to God? No.
To take this whole issue and pose a broader question: Is God under some sort of 'obligation' to create human beings in such a way as to be obedient with the 'maximum' amount of ease?
I understand the underlying concern: If God specifically says that homosexual acts are sinful, then why would He create a situation in which someone is genetically born with homosexual tendencies? This would seem like some sort of cruel joke. However, if you look at the bigger picture then you could ask the same thing about ANY category of sins...why does God let humans be born with an evil inclination AT ALL? I think that once the misconception is done away with that God 'can't' create people who are 'wired' to commit a certain sin (or any sin at all for that matter), then the whole issue of whether people are born gay or not will become (and is) completely irrelevant.
I understand the underlying concern: If God specifically says that homosexual acts are sinful, then why would He create a situation in which someone is genetically born with homosexual tendencies? This would seem like some sort of cruel joke. However, if you look at the bigger picture then you could ask the same thing about ANY category of sins...why does God let humans be born with an evil inclination AT ALL? I think that once the misconception is done away with that God 'can't' create people who are 'wired' to commit a certain sin (or any sin at all for that matter), then the whole issue of whether people are born gay or not will become (and is) completely irrelevant.
Exactly...which is the whole reason why I think people claiming "God can't create homosexuals" is irrelevant and false. What if people are born homosexual because the devil makes them that way? If you accept the fact that the sin in this world influences how people are born, then why - when it comes to homosexuality - all of a sudden intervene and say but God certainly wouldn't allow THIS to happen...?
Whether one is "born" with homosexual tendencies really is not even the issue. Personally, I believe this notion to be a supreme bit of nonsense but let us just say or the sake of argument that some may be be born with the tendencies. The word of God is given to us as a set of behavioral constraints that instruct concerning what God considers to be sin and teaches us how to over come these tendencies by the grace of God. To act upon them is sin and one who has completely given over to them stands as condemned, not by me, not by the Church, but by God.
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I'm giving my view on this then I'm outta here. WHO CARES??? Seriously, it isn't our place to judge because there is even a verse in Mathew that tells us not to judge others because we are not clean. As christians, instead of flipping out and telling gays they can't be married because something WE follow says no, our time would be better spent trying to strengthen OUR relationship with God. We can't complain that people jam Islam and Atheism down our throats when we turn around and say that people have to live a certain way because that's how WE live. If two men or two women want to get married, let them. As christians, we need to just leave everybody else alone and do us.
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Its because we live in a sin conscious Christianity for the most part. We do not live in a Son conscious Christianity.
Did Christ pay for the sins of the whole world or not? Most Christians will say yes.....but. And others say only for some.
If we(as Christians) aren't going to focus on the Son and need some agenda to occupy our time. Pride and arrogance should be the "movement" to get involved in.
Lewis Sperry Chafer......this world is an anesthetic to the lost and dying man. We are not called to rid the world of the anesthetic, we are called to bring a light(Christ) to the lost and dying man.
We witness to unbelievers that Christ died for their sins, we don't witness their sins to them.
Did Christ pay for the sins of the whole world or not? Most Christians will say yes.....but. And others say only for some.
If we(as Christians) aren't going to focus on the Son and need some agenda to occupy our time. Pride and arrogance should be the "movement" to get involved in.
Lewis Sperry Chafer......this world is an anesthetic to the lost and dying man. We are not called to rid the world of the anesthetic, we are called to bring a light(Christ) to the lost and dying man.
We witness to unbelievers that Christ died for their sins, we don't witness their sins to them.
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