how can anybody know that the bible/ christianity is true

[BlackShuck]

My words are in red...

I did not come in to disprove the bible I just asked the question In away to get alot of response I will never ever ever be able to dis-prove the bible regadless of what I think and everybody else thinks. I have never been a strong belive in relgion as a Whole I have come from a family that does not belive in god and england as a whole is mostly an athiest country. I have been unsure all my life I thought this may help me make up my mind but actually has doen the oposite.

 

[T_Laurich]

So then why do alot of christians strongly belivie that natral selection is a lie and why do they belive that the big bang is a lie when God could have created the big Bang himself we have alot of evidince to prove that these are facts are true just no evidence for what causes them to accure in the first place

I am going to answer according to the big bang....

For the possibility to even have this universe according to your big bang theory regards into string theory with also holds the theory of multiple universes... (Before I go further you can start to realize that humans have created theories to explain plausible theory's to make the 'plauses' into facts for the modern person) So the multiple universe theory basically says that if there are an infinite amount of universes it would take more universes then there are atoms in our universe to get the possibility that our universe could be made out of "nothing"... ( It really isn't nothing but that is a huge topic about dark energy) But the multiple universe theory is actually only held by mainstream scientist such as Dawkins. Reason being is because it is absolutely stupid... The only factual basis on the multiple universe theory is that we exist... And you can't point to the problem and say that its the solution... I hope you also understand that the probabilities to get a fully working ford f150 is about the same as getting a universe... Which to me screams that it is incorrect...

Also to say that there is a lot of evidence for the big bang, I hope your view has now changed... if it hasn't I urge you to research this junk for yourself... I used to be a devout atheist... I am not speaking upon my newly Christian views but my former atheist ones...

 

[TheBlackRider]

I would he create the earth in 6 days when days would not exist I was told that God is above the laws of time and space

God is indeed above the laws of time and space, but for our benefit, God created time, space, etc.
Before the beginning, there was no time. But because WE cannot comprehend a place without time, God created it for our benefit!

Don't feel tripped up!
Ask anything that confuses you! I'll try my best to answer it and make it as logical as i can! ^_^
Not sure if you are really really searching for the honest truth or not...but if you are, let me know! I may have just the thing for you that will help you understand!

 

[TheBlackRider]

I did not come in to disprove the bible I just asked the question In away to get alot of response I will never ever ever be able to dis-prove the bible regadless of what I think and everybody else thinks. I have never been a strong belive in relgion as a Whole I have come from a family that does not belive in god and england as a whole is mostly an athiest country. I have been unsure all my life I thought this may help me make up my mind but actually has doen the oposite.

awww, don't feel like that, BlackShuck!
<333
If you are unsure, ask questions! The fate of your life depends on this! *hugs*

 

[BlackShuck]

The Bible is NOT 10,000 years old. Maybe 4000-5000 years old at most.

I am confused about what the OP wants. If you want archeology, try these links:

Archaeology and the Bible

Please Convince Me

But of course, the OP could have googled these things himself.

As far as the reliability of the Biblical text, just look at the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were written before the time of Christ. yet the almost complete version of the 66 books of Isaiah for example, are virtually identical to today, over 2000 years later. That means that God preserves his word.

I studied all the religions of the world before I became a Christian. Jesus was the only one who reached down to touch me. I knew I could never be good enough, work hard enough, meditate enough, dance, sing or do anything to make myself the type of person I knew God expected me to be.

I was a sinner saved by grace. God took away my drinking problem and it never came back. He restored my broken heart and soul. I have two university degrees which God helped and inspired me to study and get. I am a teacher, and a chaplain. I could never have done it without Christ.

I notice you probably do not have an advanced education, as evidenced by your many spelling mistakes! I do agree that you need to be a bit more humble when you come into a site where you are not a Christian, and somehow think you know more than those of us who have spent many years studying the Bible. I have read the Bible over 50 times, many versions, including ESV, NASB, HCSB, The Message, French, Greek, and some of the Old Testament in Hebrew. There are easy versions for people like the OP who does not have the education to understand the more difficult versions. Try the Good New Bible or the Living Bible. Eventually, you will understand enough to read the more literal versions which are harder.

My prayer is that instead of coming here and accusing and thinking you know more than people who can read in the original languages and find the translations to be satisfactory, that you take ANY ONE of those translations, and start reading it in the book of John. Then read Matthew, Mark and Luke. Then the rest of the New Testament. Then start on the Psalms in the Old Testament, the Narratives, and finally the prophets and the rest of the Writings.

Until your read the book you are complaining about, you really don't have any right to comment on it. I read the holy books of all the major religions of the world. I read the Bible before God saved me. I did not understand it. But the Holy Spirit helped me. I was able to understand the Bible because I met the author of the Book - Jesus Christ.

That is what you need - to meet Jesus Christ. But it won't happen until your repent of your arrogance and actually read and find out what the Bible says.

Sorry if I have missed anything. I love to talk to sincere seekers, but I doubt you are one!

1. I meant to say I heard the bible says the world is a 10,000 years old
2. I do not know whether or not to be offended by that but I appreciate your honesty
3. I do play to read the Bible at some stage in my life maybe that will convince how knows

 

[BlackShuck]

I am going to answer according to the big bang....

For the possibility to even have this universe according to your big bang theory regards into string theory with also holds the theory of multiple universes... (Before I go further you can start to realize that humans have created theories to explain plausible theory's to make the 'plauses' into facts for the modern person) So the multiple universe theory basically says that if there are an infinite amount of universes it would take more universes then there are atoms in our universe to get the possibility that our universe could be made out of "nothing"... ( It really isn't nothing but that is a huge topic about dark energy) But the multiple universe theory is actually only held by mainstream scientist such as Dawkins. Reason being is because it is absolutely stupid... The only factual basis on the multiple universe theory is that we exist... And you can't point to the problem and say that its the solution... I hope you also understand that the probabilities to get a fully working ford f150 is about the same as getting a universe... Which to me screams that it is incorrect...

Also to say that there is a lot of evidence for the big bang, I hope your view has now changed... if it hasn't I urge you to research this junk for yourself... I used to be a devout atheist... I am not speaking upon my newly Christian views but my former atheist ones...

But they have proven that darkmatter exists the proton collider was esential re creating the big bang with hydrogen particals. To be honest there is no sciencetifical explanation for anything as in if you ask a scientist a question and when he answer it you keep asking whys that eventually he runs out of things to say and that goes for every scientific fact e.g. why do planes fly you could say oh this happens when the pressure on top of the wing is lower than the bottom of the wing casuing "lift" but why do particals behave this why in the first place if that this happens because of X Y n Z then what causes X Y n Z to do what ever. I hope this doesnt sound dumb but its the best I could come up with

 

[Delivery]

how can anybody know that the bible is true when it was written so long ago with many different versions all contradicted each other. It is also not the only ancient religious book that has been written so why not believe them, surely some one is wrong. How do you know that Buddhism,Islam, Hinduism or maybe one of the Greek gods (Zeus, Apollo Posidian) or maybe a Norse god (viking).

P.S. please no " you need to have faith" or "your wrong because it is/isn't in the bible" answer

And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Holy Spirit speaks to a person's heart when they hear the Word preached to them. The Holy Spirit tugs at their heart to get them to receive the truth. If they are the Lord's sheep they'll hear it and receive it and get saved. If they"re not the Lord sheep they'll reject it.



4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:30 I and my Father are one.

 

[T_Laurich]

But they have proven that darkmatter exists the proton collider was esential re creating the big bang with hydrogen particals. To be honest there is no sciencetifical explanation for anything as in if you ask a scientist a question and when he answer it you keep asking whys that eventually he runs out of things to say and that goes for every scientific fact e.g. why do planes fly you could say oh this happens when the pressure on top of the wing is lower than the bottom of the wing casuing "lift" but why do particals behave this why in the first place if that this happens because of X Y n Z then what causes X Y n Z to do what ever. I hope this doesnt sound dumb but its the best I could come up with

I was talking about dark energy and not dark mater... They are two completely different things...

Second off to say there is dark matter is actually false... Actually the MOND theory is gaining more popularity because dark matter has some fallacies to it...

 

[T_Laurich]

And i think you are refering to the higgs boson particle they found earlier this year with the Large Hadron Collider... After that discovery they announced they were going to search for anti mater... They announced that back in April...

Because no particle collider has ever found anti mater....

 

[BlackShuck]

I was talking about dark energy and not dark mater... They are two completely different things...

Second off to say there is dark matter is actually false... Actually the MOND theory is gaining more popularity because dark matter has some fallacies to it...

I didn't no of dark energy I have just looked It up
I am pretty sure they have proven that dark matter is real

 

[4enlightment]

how can anybody know that the bible is true when it was written so long ago with many different versions all contradicted each other. It is also not the only ancient religious book that has been written so why not believe them, surely some one is wrong. How do you know that Buddhism,Islam, Hinduism or maybe one of the Greek gods (Zeus, Apollo Posidian) or maybe a Norse god (viking).

P.S. please no " you need to have faith" or "your wrong because it is/isn't in the bible" answer

From what I now about the story Zues, he couldn't control his sexual urges. He even had child abducted a young boy for sex. So that leave the greek gods from being the true one God.

 

[BlackShuck]

I didn't no of dark energy I have just looked It up
I am pretty sure they have proven that dark matter is real

You obviously no more on this topic than I do

 

[BlackShuck]

From what I now about the story Zues, he couldn't control his sexual urges. He even had child abducted a young boy for sex. So that leave the greek gods from being the true one God.

Why is that

 

[T_Laurich]

I didn't no of dark energy I have just looked It up
I am pretty sure they have proven that dark matter is real

They have not, it is a theory. Which is widely debated... But due to scientists such as Michio Kaku, and Krauss, who both star on shows such as the History and Discovery channel and also Neil deGrasse Tyson who hosted nova: it has gained much popular attention from main stream media and pop culture...

Dark matter is also known as anti matter...

 

[VCO]

I am sorry but before you indulge in to debates about theology (especially Christianity) you need to brush up on your research...

First off Christianity is not a book about traditions, in fact Christ came to abolish the traditions and multiple times the bible talks horrid upon traditions... (Such as Paul)

You may then ask well if everyone practices Grace how is that not a tradition, Or if everyone practices following Christ how is that not a tradition... I then would retort that everyone practices eating food, and everyone practices sleeping. And those are not traditions either, and if you classify those as traditions you do not understand the meaning of tradition...

Also you need to understand Christinity and not blurt out stupid one liners that all the popular speakers use such as


I am going to break this down into multiple parts... First off Christianity is not a religion, the word Christian means a follower of Christ and Christ means our savior, So the word Christianity means a group of people who accept Jesus is God and follow Him... It also talks horrid upon religion again I believe you should read the books written by Paul and stop listening to popular speakers off of YouTube and such because you knowledge is extremely fallible... Because to understand what I just said is a huge study on Christianity and what it stands for in itself...

Second off you are a bad person... let me put it this way, if you brake the law for stealing, and another breaks the law for rapeing a 3 year old child... You might look upon that person and say man I am a good person compared to him... But in the eyes of a judge you have broken the law and you are a criminal... It is the same with God... You are a law breaker... Plain and simple... Just because you did a 'less of a crime' in your eyes does not detour from the fact you did the crime...

Thirdly if you say you are glad you don't worship a God that considers you to be a bad person, I am sorry but you are a arrogant moron infused with pride... You might say how dare a Christian judge someone, and again I would point you to read the scripture...

If you want to continue this discussion I am more than willing But I would like if you brushed up on your theology (especially Christianity) before trying to discuss topics such as the one you are so miserably trying to indulge in...

John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.


John 1:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord {which means MASTER}, continue to live in him,

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Matthew 5:22 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire.

Luke 6:37 (NIV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. {"judge" means to pass sentence upon, such as "you are going to hell"; it is not talking about discerning right from wrong.}

Hebrews 5:14 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Titus 3:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] to slander no one, to avoid fighting, and to be kind, always showing gentleness to all people. 1 Peter 3:15 (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

 

[4enlightment]

Why is that

Well some people might think that Zues was romantic by kidnapping a child for sex, but I wouldn't want someone like that leading me. An intelligent being suppose to be intelligent, not ignorant.

 

[T_Laurich]

John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.


John 1:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord {which means MASTER}, continue to live in him,

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Matthew 5:22 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire.

Luke 6:37 (NIV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. {"judge" means to pass sentence upon, such as "you are going to hell"; it is not talking about discerning right from wrong.}

Hebrews 5:14 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Titus 3:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] to slander no one, to avoid fighting, and to be kind, always showing gentleness to all people. 1 Peter 3:15 (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

While I take your comment to heart and will meditate on it..

I have to ask; how you can think I posted that out of anger without judging yourself...

Also I was not passing judgement on him as a person but passing judgement on his comment (his philosophy), which I stated...

 

[VCO]

how can anybody know that the bible is true when it was written so long ago with many different versions all contradicted each other. It is also not the only ancient religious book that has been written so why not believe them, surely some one is wrong. How do you know that Buddhism,Islam, Hinduism or maybe one of the Greek gods (Zeus, Apollo Posidian) or maybe a Norse god (viking).

P.S. please no " you need to have faith" or "your wrong because it is/isn't in the bible" answer

Romans 8:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

John 14:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

John 3:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

1 Corinthians 2:10-14 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Acts 4:12 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

 

[Bowman]

Could you post the scripture to back that up please?

Have you commanded the morning from your days, and caused the dawn to know
its place, that it might take hold of the wings of the earth; that the wicked might
be shaken out of it? It is turned like clay under a seal; and they stand out like a
garment. (Job38:12-14)


This passage, from the oldest book of the Bible, makes the comparison that the earth is a rotating sphere - like clay being turned on a potters wheel.

 

[BlackShuck]

It doesnt say we go around the son though it is more implying that both are still