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Magenta

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you ain't justa kiddin. using a projector which is an 8 foot wide by 6 foot image on the wall with excellent color and clarity. when paging down or up to one of your works, the whole wall lights up with color. The blend you used on Colossians 2:13-14 is awesome. All those colors compliment each other and make a great blend. They really are beautiful.

Paintings with Scripture verses. talk about living color.
Thank you! How is the quality of the image when projected so large? I design in a size much
larger than I can post, but even so, if I were to print optimally at 300 ppi (pixels per inch), it
could only be an 8" x 12". I did go for a moodier colour combo for that Colossians panel, wanting
it to be more sombre since it deals with the crucifixion of our Lord. Did you notice the crucified
figure in the upper left hand corner looking down into the panel?
 
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evyaniy

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you ain't justa kiddin. using a projector which is an 8 foot wide by 6 foot image on the wall with excellent color and clarity. when paging down or up to one of your works, the whole wall lights up with color. The blend you used on Colossians 2:13-14 is awesome. All those colors compliment each other and make a great blend. They really are beautiful.

Paintings with Scripture verses. talk about living color.
Not to mention what that panel says. Those verses are perfect for what is being discussed. That is a powerful panel.
 
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evyaniy

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Thank you! How is the quality of the image when projected so large? I design in a size much
larger than I can post, but even so, if I were to print optimally at 300 ppi (pixels per inch), it
could only be an 8" x 12". I did go for a moodier colour combo for that Colossians panel, wanting
it to be more sombre since it deals with the crucifixion of our Lord. Did you notice the crucified
figure in the upper left hand corner looking down into the panel?
The image is crystal clear with amazing color. Can't see a figure in the left hand corner though. Not sure if that is cut off or what. The top left hand corner has kind of a greenish purple blend.

It is an old infocus IN1116 wxga projector which seems to be one of the best but was discontinued many years ago. can't stand staring into a monitor screen. that makes the eyes fritz out and vibrate after a while so you cannot focus. projecting the screen on the wall gets rid of the eye fatigue and provides an excellent picture better than a screen if the projector is good. tried quite a few over the years.
 

Magenta

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The image is crystal clear with amazing color. Can't see a figure in the left hand corner though. Not sure if that is cut off or what. The top left hand corner has kind of a greenish purple blend.

It is an old infocus IN1116 wxga projector which seems to be one of the best but was discontinued many years ago. can't stand staring into a monitor screen. that makes the eyes fritz out and vibrate after a while so you cannot focus. projecting the screen on the wall gets rid of the eye fatigue and provides an excellent picture better than a screen if the projector is good. tried quite a few over the years.
That sounds amazing! I did somewhat hide the crucified figure... the head is just above the first
word, "When." The arm on the cross then extends at an upward angle above the next two words...
 
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evyaniy

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to think someone called you names and accused you of being bored. your works are a gift and talk directly to what is being discussed most of the time. hmmmm wonder if that counts as good works. naaaa. more like trying to pass the time.
That sounds amazing! I did somewhat hide the crucified figure... the head is just above the first
word, "When." The arm on the cross then extends at an upward angle above the next two words...
Yes, can see that but it is not obvious. The eyes are not great though which is another reason for using a projector.

to think someone called you names and accused you of being bored. your works are a gift and talk directly to what is being discussed when you post them.

hmmmm wonder if that counts as good works. naaaa. more like trying to pass the time. just kidding of course. you brighten up this place which really helps with all the angst taking place all the time. Thank you for that. It really helps.
 
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evyaniy

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oh, have to use a black background too and white lettering since a white background washes out so much and makes the floaters swim constantly. the black background works great and also reduces eye strain. then the colors on the panels are even more dramatic.
 

Magenta

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Yes, can see that but it is not obvious. The eyes are not great though which is another reason for using a projector.

to think someone called you names and accused you of being bored. your works are a gift and talk directly to what is being discussed when you post them.

hmmmm wonder if that counts as good works. naaaa. more like trying to pass the time. just kidding of course. you brighten up this place which really helps with all the angst taking place all the time. Thank you for that. It really helps.
I am sorry to hear about your eyes. Do you take any supplements for them? I probably should, myself. Sometimes it is a great strain on my eyes to do this. Yes, there have been a few detractors. I think they take offence at something I have said, some position I take that is in opposition to theirs, and then they come after me that way, saying all manner of things against my art including that the pieces are demonic. But that just seems a really silly thing to say, if you ask me, and simply highlights how desperate they are to try to insult me.
 
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evyaniy

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I am sorry to hear about your eyes. Do you take any supplements for them? I probably should, myself. Sometimes it is a great strain on my eyes to do this. Yes, there have been a few detractors. I think they take offence at something I have said, some position I take that is in opposition to theirs, and then they come after me that way, saying all manner of things against my art including that the pieces are demonic. But that just seems a really silly thing to say, if you ask me, and simply highlights how desperate they are to try to insult me.
yea, some things are hard to read because of what is said. sometimes it makes you not want to say anything else. This may seem insignificant, but it is more like a mission to communicate something for whatever it is worth. so even though it is not always enjoyable it is something that must be done. how it turns out time will tell even if it is not always pleasurable now.

truth is being shared though. reading it every day from various posters. even the harsh challenges can provide opportunities to share pertinent Scriptures which is one of the things you do best. Thank you
 
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evyaniy

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well guess we won't solve the intricacies of the law tonight. it can always wait. it's not like it has to be done by tomorrow.
 

Magenta

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yea, some things are hard to read because of what is said. sometimes it makes you not want to say anything else. This may seem insignificant, but it is more like a mission to communicate something for whatever it is worth. so even though it is not always enjoyable it is something that must be done. how it turns out time will tell even if it is not always pleasurable now.

truth is being shared though. reading it every day from various posters. even the harsh challenges can provide opportunities to share pertinent Scriptures which is one of the things you do best. Thank you
That is very sweet of you to say, so thank you! And you are welcome. Many of the panels are inspired by
conversations going on here, and there are so many of them now it is challenging to keep track of them LOL
 

Rainrider

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People will inevitably sin. Anything not of faith is sin.

Do you possess/proclaim sinless perfection?

The Holy Spirit convicts the believer of righteousness, and God chastises those He loves.
As we know sin is transgression of the law. Please see 1John 3:4. So it seems that the Law would still apply even for them are followers of Yeshua. For with out law sin is not counted against us. Rom. 5:13 Will you agree with this?
 

Rainrider

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People will inevitably sin. Anything not of faith is sin.

Do you possess/proclaim sinless perfection?

The Holy Spirit convicts the believer of righteousness, and God chastises those He loves.
Almost forgot. As I said even the most righteous person sin, that does include myself, and any that are above ground and breathing. Sorry I missed that in my reply. I know it is a bit frustrating for a one to use 3 or more post to reply to one post by another. Please over look this.
 

Rainrider

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There are a multitude of different interpretations of the New Testament.

I will give you an example. Just in Eschatology there are ten mainline interpretations that I have seen. The scripture that can be quoted on Eschatology is a handful of chapters, from a few letters. A verse here and there in other letters, and the book of Revelation. That is not a lot of scripture. Yet we have ten interpretations available. Care to explain how that is even possible?
That goes right back to one wishing to find what they want in scripture. I once read a paper by someone that is a true believer. In it, it set out to use scripture to prove HaShem isn't real. Now he did a really good job of this, yet at the end he made it clear. The only way to do this, is to remove the truth of the Word, and pick parts of a passage, or even place infuses on just one word in a passage.
As it stands, to date anyway, most all faults teaching can be seen when they are forced into recincialing what they teach with the whole of The Word. Something most churches will not do.
How do I know this about most churches? I have read the contract to be a pastor from about 14 denominations. They all held in them parts of the truth that one can't teach. To do so will get you removed, not just as a pastor, rather from the church as a whole.
Although in the case of some, it is about money, not truth.
 
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evyaniy

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As we know sin is transgression of the law. Please see 1John 3:4. So it seems that the Law would still apply even for them are followers of Yeshua. For with out law sin is not counted against us. Rom. 5:13 Will you agree with this?
Galatians 4

4 But when the fullness of the time came, EL sent forth His Son, born to a woman, born under the law, 5 that He might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as children. 6 And because you are children, EL sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!” 7 So you are no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of EL through Messiah.
 

posthuman

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One more time with a bit more detail. The high priest must from the line of Arron. As the Torah is clear there is only one place that sacrifices are to offered, that is the on the alter of HaShem, with must be in the place He picked, and placed His name.
and if we have a temple next year and an Aaronic priest who is cleansed with the ashes of a red heifer, and I am a Jew or have joined myself to Israel, and I am a believer in Christ Jesus,

do I sin if I do not bring a bull or a goat or a dove as the Law prescribes, so that its blood may be shed on the altar, whenever I trespass or have a child or any other thing that the Law requires?

is that your understanding of the gospel?
 

Magenta

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As we know sin is transgression of the law. Please see 1John 3:4. So it seems that the Law would still apply even for them are followers of Yeshua. For with out law sin is not counted against us. Rom. 5:13 Will you agree with this?
Anything not of faith is sin. Jesus also took the definition of the law to a new level. E.g., do not commit murder. Jesus said being angry at/with your brother subjects you to the fire of hell. Matthew 5:21 You have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not murder’ and ‘Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell. Also, according to the religious leaders of His time, Jesus broke the Sabbath, and committed blasphemy, which is why they wanted to kill Him. Of course we know He did neither of those things. But surely it shows us their understanding of the law was in error. Now we have been given to understand that the law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. Nobody was saved by keeping the law, because nobody could keep it perfectly (except Jesus). This idea that born again Christians use the freedom they have in Christ as an excuse to sin always comes across as suspect. That is not to say there are none who abuse the idea. Are they born again? That is something God knows. Our conscience convicts us when we do something that violates our values. And there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. This is not a license to sin.


John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
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Magenta

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Galatians 4

4 But when the fullness of the time came, EL sent forth His Son, born to a woman, born under the law, 5 that He might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as children. 6 And because you are children, EL sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!” 7 So you are no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of EL through Messiah.

Romans 8:15-16
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That goes right back to one wishing to find what they want in scripture. I once read a paper by someone that is a true believer. In it, it set out to use scripture to prove HaShem isn't real. Now he did a really good job of this, yet at the end he made it clear. The only way to do this, is to remove the truth of the Word, and pick parts of a passage, or even place infuses on just one word in a passage.
As it stands, to date anyway, most all faults teaching can be seen when they are forced into recincialing what they teach with the whole of The Word. Something most churches will not do.
How do I know this about most churches? I have read the contract to be a pastor from about 14 denominations. They all held in them parts of the truth that one can't teach. To do so will get you removed, not just as a pastor, rather from the church as a whole.
Although in the case of some, it is about money, not truth.
How many Christian doctrines are tabled in your church constitution?

Does your church have an eschatology that they teach?
 

Rainrider

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and if we have a temple next year and an Aaronic priest who is cleansed with the ashes of a red heifer, and I am a Jew or have joined myself to Israel, and I am a believer in Christ Jesus,

do I sin if I do not bring a bull or a goat or a dove as the Law prescribes, so that its blood may be shed on the altar, whenever I trespass or have a child or any other thing that the Law requires?

is that your understanding of the gospel?
Your obsessed with this aren't you. yet my answer remains the same. A gentile can't enter the inter court. Now if you decided to convert to Judaism, Then if you want to go and sacrifice, I wouldn't see it as a sin, unless you were looking to gain salvation by the means of sacrifice. Are you happy now?
If so please get back to my question. Mat. 5:17-18
 

Rainrider

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How many Christian doctrines are tabled in your church constitution?

Does your church have an eschatology that they teach?
In all truth, I no longer attend any church. I find the teachings, and attitude of most of the people to be out side of what the Word teaches. I do however study with many people on line. We have had some come in that wish to push a man made doctrine, although they don't stick around long. When asked how the understanding of one passage can be rectified, so as not to stand in conflict with another, they get upset, and you see what is found on here. Don't get me wrong, we do have some debates that may last for weeks. However that is when we think we know something, and someone comes along with a different take on it.
As an example. We just finished a debate on the feast. As we were looking at them, someone asked, "If the feast are HaShems feast, then why do we do things differently than the Torah tells us?" After around 2 weeks of looking at that, we decided on one thing. To come back to it later.
You see, we as followers of the full Word, and not just a part of it, like the O.T. or N.T. Had to seek a way to keep the feast in a way that fits the full of the Word. Long story on that, just understand this much. There are parts of the feast that a gentile must leave for the Hebrew people. After all most of the feast are a reminder of what HaShem did for them. However it is our understanding that the feast were kept by Paul Acts 18:21 and others, so how did they do so? We are still working on that one. Even though we did set it aside for now, we are still looking for the answer. until we have a sound answer, we will keep them as we have done for around 25 years.
You see, a true student of the Word is always looking to push past what they think they know, and find what we might be missing. Has our understanding changed due to this? Yes it has to. After all, if one doesn't learn and grow, they become stagnate.