How could God punish the serpent if Satan possessed it?
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Hmmmm.... maybe he had legs and wings like a dragon. So it could be he was like a mini snake like dragon until he was cursed. Or maybe it is merely a mystery in the BIble like so many others. As for the fossils: It could have been a different extinct species of reptile that was unrelated. But I am not against the idea, though. I just need a more solid confirmation with God's Word. For the Scriptures say, do not go beyond what is written.
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Isaiah chapter 26 verse 19 thru Isaiah chapter 27 verse 1
Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
After the dead live again, the LORD will punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. Again, I believe that all three descriptors refer to Satan and probably more so in relation to how his character traits mimic those of the creatures mentioned than anything else.
Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
After the dead live again, the LORD will punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. Again, I believe that all three descriptors refer to Satan and probably more so in relation to how his character traits mimic those of the creatures mentioned than anything else.
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I'll be honest when I read Genesis this was one of the first things I wondered.
The serpent was not acting of its own accord, it was possessed by Satan. It wasn't the serpent doing the talking because serpents are incapable of speech (according to my world view lol).
You have to accept that this is a very valid question upon initial reading.
I'm not saying there isn't an explanation for it. But for someone to point this out is not doing it maliciously or mockingly, its a genuine question.
The serpent was not acting of its own accord, it was possessed by Satan. It wasn't the serpent doing the talking because serpents are incapable of speech (according to my world view lol).
You have to accept that this is a very valid question upon initial reading.
I'm not saying there isn't an explanation for it. But for someone to point this out is not doing it maliciously or mockingly, its a genuine question.
Yes, I did ask myself the question today with no doubt in God's Word and or in God whatsoever. This led me to do some research on this topic so as to discover the answer. But if you were to Google this question, you would find that Atheists and Skeptics do in fact ask this question and then make wrong assumptions about God because of it, though.
Anyways, I did resolve or answer this with question in the OP (Original Post), though.
Anyways, I did resolve or answer this with question in the OP (Original Post), though.
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Allan:
You might want to reconsider your world view and I don't say that in any sort of condescending manner. In other words, who says that the world in which we presently live matches God's original creation? The Bible indicates that many changes have taken place since the original creation and I personally consider the possibility that animals originally communicated directly with man. I mean, we do have the example that Jason already mentioned in relation to God opening the mouth of Balaam's donkey. Jesus Himself spoke of how the rocks would have cried out if some of those singing His praises had been silenced.
You might want to reconsider your world view and I don't say that in any sort of condescending manner. In other words, who says that the world in which we presently live matches God's original creation? The Bible indicates that many changes have taken place since the original creation and I personally consider the possibility that animals originally communicated directly with man. I mean, we do have the example that Jason already mentioned in relation to God opening the mouth of Balaam's donkey. Jesus Himself spoke of how the rocks would have cried out if some of those singing His praises had been silenced.
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Just be careful not to ultimately base your beliefs upon knowledge alone. In other words, it's not just what we know, but ultimately Who we know. This is the New Covenant or the New Testament as described by the prophet Jeremiah under Divine inspiration:
Jeremiah chapter 31 verses 31 thru 34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
God's desire is for you to know Him and this type of knowing in scripture is symbolically described as the same type of intimate knowing that takes place between a husband and his wife when the two become one. This is God's ultimate desire in relation to you and there's a world of difference between believing in God and actually knowing God. God wants to become one with you via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit where your body becomes His temple which He inhabits. Jesus defined eternal life in this manner:
John chapter 17 verse 3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Again, eternal life has everything to do with knowing both God and Jesus Christ personally. In other words, it's basically the difference, for example, between believing the Genesis account of creation and actually knowing the Creator. Hopefully, you can recognize the vast difference between the two. In all of your searching, please be sure to search for Christ.
I need to take care of some other things, so I'm going to log off in a minute or two.
Good night.
Jeremiah chapter 31 verses 31 thru 34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
God's desire is for you to know Him and this type of knowing in scripture is symbolically described as the same type of intimate knowing that takes place between a husband and his wife when the two become one. This is God's ultimate desire in relation to you and there's a world of difference between believing in God and actually knowing God. God wants to become one with you via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit where your body becomes His temple which He inhabits. Jesus defined eternal life in this manner:
John chapter 17 verse 3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Again, eternal life has everything to do with knowing both God and Jesus Christ personally. In other words, it's basically the difference, for example, between believing the Genesis account of creation and actually knowing the Creator. Hopefully, you can recognize the vast difference between the two. In all of your searching, please be sure to search for Christ.
I need to take care of some other things, so I'm going to log off in a minute or two.
Good night.
Well, this thread is not in any way related to "Dualistic Conditionalism (DC) vs Eternal Conscious Torment (ECT)." Nor did I make such a switch from ECT to DC overnight, either (But by careful examination of the Scriptures) (See this thread again here). I believe the Scriptures clearly teach that the Lake of Fire is the Second Death just as it states in Revelation 21:8. For why call it the Second Death if it is not related to the first death? Why did Jesus say fear not the one who can destroy the body but fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in Hell (i.e. Greek word "Gehenna" meaning, the Lake of Fire)? (See Matthew 10:28). In any event, please do not reply to this point of topic here. That is not what this thread is about. Also, the thread topic has nothing to do with who I am as a person. We are talking about the Bible, not about my life.
Now, that we addressed the OP question with some Scripture, we must then ask the next question that atheists and skeptics of the Bible like to ask.
Was it fair of God to punish innocent animals as a part of being a sacrifice?
I would say "Yes" (of course) and I have my reasons, but I would like to hear what other believers here have to say with God's Word.
Was it fair of God to punish innocent animals as a part of being a sacrifice?
I would say "Yes" (of course) and I have my reasons, but I would like to hear what other believers here have to say with God's Word.