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Magenta

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hi Thankyou magenta, I'm familiar with the scripture, more than you, know its been all about what I've herd for two weeks in my house, what I need to learn more is to stop quoting the wrong posts, lol . People where speaking in a hypothetical point of view so was i, I was asking would it be literal or hypothetical to think there's things, can I conceive all these hypothetical scenarios, I'm over whelmed, some of my quotes are repeated question I have been asked. Believe me none of my questions in this thread have anything to do with my thinking apart from questions of how best to approach this. I'm also becoming flipped out
My apologies... I have not read the whole thread...
 

Happy_hobnob

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My apologies... I have not read the whole thread...
no your ok, my apologies to, I have not only been quoting the wrong posts, but when I've come to edit I've deleted part of my phrase, I've been multi tasking all day and posting with an android phone I'm not use to. But I forgot to mention, this is hypothetical when I say Moses held a snake up to bite people, not literal. I've just noticed my mistake too after reading through my posts, I think I may have said something like this is hypothetical but deleted it and just left a quote saying somethin like Moses used a a real snake to bite people to also heal them oops lol. I've read the whole bible. But I probably would not have wrote it if we had not have been talking so hypothetical. Also I was editing nearly every post, responding to quite a few users, and milking a cow lol.
 
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Please, how xies that demonstrate Sats
Sure. What does the Bible says? And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev 12:9)

Chances are that Satan appeared to Eve as a dragon or a huge serpent.
Sure. What does the Bible says? And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev 12:9)

Chances are that Satan appeared to Eve as a dragon or a huge serpent.
I can tentatively agree. If men can use matter to fashion remarkable imitations of creatures, I might suppose Satan with an IQ of 10,000 can build a lifelike facsimile of a creature. But he can't breathe life into it. It has no life. I speculate that it might be inhabited by him though, as a lying wonder.
 

oyster67

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No worries. He is not. He is just very wise. (And, ironically, capable of the greatest of errors.)
God has a list of things that He will allow Satan to do and not do. Satan is only a fallen angel. He is not the Demigod that he would like people to think he is. Other angels have successfully contended with him at times in the past.
Jude 1:9
“Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”
Michael here sets a good example for all of us to follow.

Satan will be bound for 1000 years, perhaps by the same angel...
Revelation 20:1,2
“And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.”
“And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,”

Satan does his best to try to get us to fear him because fear is a form of reverence and worship.
 

Pilgrimshope

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i know Satan is at war against the true faith. Yes manipulation was evident, however what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,

I know you will probably say because God did not want them to, plain and simple, you might say.

But I have more meaning which is God could see they where becoming disassociated from his spirit. We know that Jesus a second Adam was led of the spirit in all things, so why was not Adam and Eve. You may then say they had to learn obedience just like Jesus did,

They where new born children, tho adults, however all these things, put your self in the moment of temptation, did God leave them alone to see what they would choose. No because there first reaction was God said we should not eat from that tree, so now put yourself in this moment,.

Did eve choose this first option saying that or did the spirit lead them to say that, baring in mind they had not yet learned obedience, ok so now let's say we go with my view that the spirit was leading them in all things, but yet they still disobeyed, how can this be so, because they where not ready for Satan being new Babes. It became confusing listening to the spirit and listening to Satan at the same time perhaps however they still dissociated from the spirit, so the answer is they had free will to choose. So there for the commandment given to Adam and Eve was because God knew there desires to choose over the spirit was growing. So the world had already fallen befor Satan entered the Garden.
“however what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,”

he gave it to Adam already and gave dominion to them I’ve never said zgod needed to say anything to eve she knew already because it was already made known we know that she knew because he asked her and she said it

“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:2-3‬ ‭

all I have said is eve knew what God said about the fruit and then this happened

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6‬ ‭

God tells man the result beforehand and then man chooses to believe him or listen to a lie eve knew what God said but was offered an alternative
 

Happy_hobnob

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#66
“however what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,”

he gave it to Adam already and gave dominion to them I’ve never said zgod needed to say anything to eve she knew already because it was already made known we know that she knew because he asked her and she said it

“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:2-3‬ ‭

all I have said is eve knew what God said about the fruit and then this happened

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6‬ ‭

God tells man the result beforehand and then man chooses to believe him or listen to a lie eve knew what God said but was offered an alternative
it good when your eyes have been opened by scripture, I love not being blinded. Thanks for showing me(y)
 

oyster67

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#67
There is only one person in all of history that the Bible says Satan entered.
There have been many that have been possessed of devils.
Matthew 8:16,28
“When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:”
“And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.”
 

Pilgrimshope

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#68
i know Satan is at war against the true faith. Yes manipulation was evident, however what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,

I know you will probably say because God did not want them to, plain and simple, you might say.

But I have more meaning which is God could see they where becoming disassociated from his spirit. We know that Jesus a second Adam was led of the spirit in all things, so why was not Adam and Eve. You may then say they had to learn obedience just like Jesus did,

They where new born children, tho adults, however all these things, put your self in the moment of temptation, did God leave them alone to see what they would choose. No because there first reaction was God said we should not eat from that tree, so now put yourself in this moment,.

Did eve choose this first option saying that or did the spirit lead them to say that, baring in mind they had not yet learned obedience, ok so now let's say we go with my view that the spirit was leading them in all things, but yet they still disobeyed, how can this be so, because they where not ready for Satan being new Babes. It became confusing listening to the spirit and listening to Satan at the same time perhaps however they still dissociated from the spirit, so the answer is they had free will to choose. So there for the commandment given to Adam and Eve was because God knew there desires to choose over the spirit was growing. So the world had already fallen befor Satan entered the Garden.
“what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,”


The same reason we teach children not to watch pornography it creates evil temptations in our thoughts and desires. Man was created like Jesus he didn’t have any desire to disobey God , Adam didn’t either nor eve

the “sinful nature” we talk of isnt inherently evil it is this inner condition where good and evil re conflicted against one another creating a double mind in man we aren’t created to bear in our mind the knowledge of good and evil because it does this in our mind ( where knowledge effects man )

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. …but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23-24‬ ‭

see man is t supposed to have that law of good conflicting with evil desires in our mind we were made pure and good without any sinful evil desire but because they ate the fruit they became filled with the knowledge of good and evil and man was never made to operate by good and evil we were made to walk in Gods image of goodness without any evil conflicting in our mind creating that law of sin that holds us a captive within mans nature Paul’s telling us about in chapter seven

all God was doing was telling man the end from before the beginning when he said “ your free to eat of all the trees in the garden but this one you must not eat from it the knowledge of good and evil ( good versus evil ) now causes us to be conflicted between the two we are Adam and eves offspring and inherit their nature.

now man is easily tempted because our nature conflicts with its own self

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,

for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats the issue now our flesh is corrupt and a weakness for temptation and sin but the spirit is our guard and we’ve been given the spirit anew in Christ

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye

shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

since they consumed good and evils knowledge man’s flesh and spirit have been in conflict between serving good and evil it’s why we can believe right and still keep doing wrong part of us needs to be executed by hearing and applying Jesus word to our life
 

Happy_hobnob

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#69
No worries. He is not. He is just very wise. (And, ironically, capable of the greatest of errors.)
God has a list of things that He will allow Satan to do and not do. Satan is only a fallen angel. He is not the Demigod that he would like people to think he is. Other angels have successfully contended with him at times in the past.
Jude 1:9
“Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”
Michael here sets a good example for all of us to follow.

Satan will be bound for 1000 years, perhaps by the same angel...
Revelation 20:1,2
“And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.”
“And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,”

Satan does his best to try to get us to fear him because fear is a form of reverence and worship.
I don't fear him, I hope other dint too, but befor i was saved I had many fears I no longer have, when it comes to life an death, my only fears i have is that I don't make things the best I can for my family, with what time I may have left with them, or any other friend I have, I still have fears but I know my family are saved, now so if something should happen and I lose one, I know they will be safe.
 

Happy_hobnob

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#70
I don't fear him the dragon or what ever he is. I hope other dont too, but befor i was saved I had many fears I no longer have, when it comes to life an death, my only fears i have is that I don't make things the best I can for my family, with what time I may have left with them, or any other friend I have, I still have fears but I know my family are saved, now so if something should happen and I lose one, I know they will be safe.
 
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Yes this is one of my families dilemma of understanding the snake to be Quoted in a literal way, or, hypothetical way, my best mates brother, tho thinks he's at fault for being afflicted.
We think he's is not suffering mental illness, but quite often he is going vacant. But the problems have escalated to the point where he walked out of church. Because the sermon was about how easy it was to cast away bad spirits or impure thoughts, and he can't. He's convinced he has a bad spirits inflicting him, and keeps talking about how it all his fault.
I hope to add a word of guidance, but others might jump on me for it. I'm concerned that your friend is worrying himself literally sick. It is possible to be anxious enough and worry enough to make yourself physically depressed which is an actual physical ailment that can be treated. I wish your friend could talk more about his troubles, even to any listening ear, because that has the effect of organizing your thinking and straightening out knotty problems. If his problem was having a compound fracture, we wouldn't send him to scripture. Self condemnation is a huge problem: When Martin Luther was a young man, a teenager, he had the same problem and it was almost convinced that God couldn't help him. He knew the scripture well, and to make the story short, the verse "The just shall live by faith" entered his mind, and freed him from his doubt and worry. I hope your friend finds the way out. I'm concerned that is despair might go too far and make him take his life. God never intended for his threatenings to cause that. I think your friend has repented of his sins, and it's true that "God is faithful and just to forgive all our sins and shortcomings". Please bring that message to your friend.



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I hope to add a word of guidance, but others might jump on me for it. I'm concerned that your friend is worrying himself literally sick. It is possible to be anxious enough and worry enough to make yourself physically depressed which is an actual physical ailment that can be treated. I wish your friend could talk more about his troubles, even to any listening ear, because that has the effect of organizing your thinking and straightening out knotty problems. If his problem was having a compound fracture, we wouldn't send him to scripture. Self condemnation is a huge problem: When Martin Luther was a young man, a teenager, he had the same problem and it was almost convinced that God couldn't help him. He knew the scripture well, and to make the story short, the verse "The just shall live by faith" entered his mind, and freed him from his doubt and worry. I hope your friend finds the way out. I'm concerned that is despair might go too far and make him take his life. God never intended for his threatenings to cause that. I think your friend has repented of his sins, and it's true that "God is faithful and just to forgive all our sins and shortcomings". Please bring that message to your friend.
 

Magenta

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#74
i know Satan is at war against the true faith. Yes manipulation was evident, however what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,

I know you will probably say because God did not want them to, plain and simple, you might say.

But I have more meaning which is God could see they where becoming disassociated from his spirit. We know that Jesus a second Adam was led of the spirit in all things, so why was not Adam and Eve. You may then say they had to learn obedience just like Jesus did,

They where new born children, tho adults, however all these things, put your self in the moment of temptation, did God leave them alone to see what they would choose. No because there first reaction was God said we should not eat from that tree, so now put yourself in this moment,.

Did eve choose this first option saying that or did the spirit lead them to say that, baring in mind they had not yet learned obedience, ok so now let's say we go with my view that the spirit was leading them in all things, but yet they still disobeyed, how can this be so, because they where not ready for Satan being new Babes. It became confusing listening to the spirit and listening to Satan at the same time perhaps however they still dissociated from the spirit, so the answer is they had free will to choose. So there for the commandment given to Adam and Eve was because God knew there desires to choose over the spirit was growing. So the world had already fallen befor Satan entered the Garden.
Adam and Eve were of the natural world. God could have "drawn the line in the
sand" anywhere... the point is, they chose to put their desires above God's, and
decide for themselves what was acceptable even against the express will of God.
Plus, one must wonder where Eve got the idea that they must not touch it. That
is not anywhere else mentioned, neither from God to Adam, nor from Adam to Eve.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#75
it good when your eyes have been opened by scripture, I love not being blinded. Thanks for showing me(y)
well nOw don’t go taking what I say as any authoritative word dear brother , look into some of the scriptures yourself and search the context “we’re just a couple of nuts on a pretty big farm to tend “

one nut just says his nutty things and then other nuts usually have some seasoning to make the nutty bar complete if you know what I mean I’m just another nut not a farmer or reaper
 

Happy_hobnob

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#76
“what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,”


The same reason we teach children not to watch pornography it creates evil temptations in our thoughts and desires. Man was created like Jesus he didn’t have any desire to disobey God , Adam didn’t either nor eve

the “sinful nature” we talk of isnt inherently evil it is this inner condition where good and evil re conflicted against one another creating a double mind in man we aren’t created to bear in our mind the knowledge of good and evil because it does this in our mind ( where knowledge effects man )

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. …but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23-24‬ ‭

see man is t supposed to have that law of good conflicting with evil desires in our mind we were made pure and good without any sinful evil desire but because they ate the fruit they became filled with the knowledge of good and evil and man was never made to operate by good and evil we were made to walk in Gods image of goodness without any evil conflicting in our mind creating that law of sin that holds us a captive within mans nature Paul’s telling us about in chapter seven

all God was doing was telling man the end from before the beginning when he said “ your free to eat of all the trees in the garden but this one you must not eat from it the knowledge of good and evil ( good versus evil ) now causes us to be conflicted between the two we are Adam and eves offspring and inherit their nature.

now man is easily tempted because our nature conflicts with its own self

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,

for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats the issue now our flesh is corrupt and a weakness for temptation and sin but the spirit is our guard and we’ve been given the spirit anew in Christ

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye

shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

since they consumed good and evils knowledge man’s flesh and spirit have been in conflict between serving good and evil it’s why we can believe right and still keep doing wrong part of us needs to be executed by hearing and applying Jesus word to our life
thankyou so much lovely.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#77
Adam and Eve were of the natural world. God could have "drawn the line in the
sand" anywhere... the point is, they chose to put their desires above God's, and
decide for themselves what was acceptable even against the express will of God.
Plus, one must wonder where Eve got the idea that they must not touch it. That
is not anywhere else mentioned, neither from God to Adam, nor from Adam to Eve.
Amen Christian’s can and often still do the same thing they did we put our own wants above Christs Will who gave his life for ours
 

Happy_hobnob

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#78
well nOw don’t go taking what I say as any authoritative word dear brother , look into some of the scriptures yourself and search the context “we’re just a couple of nuts on a pretty big farm to tend “

one nut just says his nutty things and then other nuts usually have some seasoning to make the nutty bar complete if you know what I mean I’m just another nut not a farmer or reaper
you called me brother again that three times lol
 

Pilgrimshope

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#79
you called me brother again that three times lol
I’m sorry I forget normal things a lot lol

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Happy_hobnob

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#80
“what is your understanding why God needed to Give eve a commandment not to eat from the tree of Knowledge,”


The same reason we teach children not to watch pornography it creates evil temptations in our thoughts and desires. Man was created like Jesus he didn’t have any desire to disobey God , Adam didn’t either nor eve

the “sinful nature” we talk of isnt inherently evil it is this inner condition where good and evil re conflicted against one another creating a double mind in man we aren’t created to bear in our mind the knowledge of good and evil because it does this in our mind ( where knowledge effects man )

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. …but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23-24‬ ‭

see man is t supposed to have that law of good conflicting with evil desires in our mind we were made pure and good without any sinful evil desire but because they ate the fruit they became filled with the knowledge of good and evil and man was never made to operate by good and evil we were made to walk in Gods image of goodness without any evil conflicting in our mind creating that law of sin that holds us a captive within mans nature Paul’s telling us about in chapter seven

all God was doing was telling man the end from before the beginning when he said “ your free to eat of all the trees in the garden but this one you must not eat from it the knowledge of good and evil ( good versus evil ) now causes us to be conflicted between the two we are Adam and eves offspring and inherit their nature.

now man is easily tempted because our nature conflicts with its own self

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,

for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats the issue now our flesh is corrupt and a weakness for temptation and sin but the spirit is our guard and we’ve been given the spirit anew in Christ

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye

shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

since they consumed good and evils knowledge man’s flesh and spirit have been in conflict between serving good and evil it’s why we can believe right and still keep doing wrong part of us needs to be executed by hearing and applying Jesus word to our life
I will show this post to my best mate thanks again