How do you pay salaries to all the pastors?
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The most important thing is god's word stick up unto you :smoke:
Then let us learn to be more observant rather than to be shouting in a wilderness
Where the wolves are awaits for their next meal.
Is their any disciples of Christ Jesus went near to him when he was been crusified
there in the placed known as golgota?
Please we are not against to anyone but only to those SINS which made us no better to anyone
Who silently lurking to the midst of abyss until
the shadow of darkness succumb the
:happy: Last light that gives light to our heart and soul :smoke:
The most important thing is god's word stick up unto you :smoke:
Then let us learn to be more observant rather than to be shouting in a wilderness
Where the wolves are awaits for their next meal.
Is their any disciples of Christ Jesus went near to him when he was been crusified
there in the placed known as golgota?
Please we are not against to anyone but only to those SINS which made us no better to anyone
Who silently lurking to the midst of abyss until
the shadow of darkness succumb the
:happy: Last light that gives light to our heart and soul :smoke:
It is a phenomenon I was completely unaware of until we moved 1000 miles south from where I grew up as a Lutheran. In the thirty years we have lived here we have attended mostly Baptist churches - of every type - and they have this custom where a person can say he has been called by God to preach so the church licenses him to preach, and then if he preaches those same half dozen prescribed sermons enough times, they ordain him. So once he says he is called to preach, a church can easily have 20 preachers in a church of 40, most of whom would probably say they are pastors without a flock at the moment. Of course it is not scriptural, but it is custom. From my own first-hand experience I could tell you stories that would curl the hair of someone who walks with God.
One more thing I have learned – if one claims to be a pastor he can speak his self-righteous character report but apparently is not obligated to so much as apologize when confronted with a fault.
There are exceptions of course, but even back in A.W. Tozer's time the pastors were not feeding the flock and it has gotten much worse since he died in 1963. Part of that feeding would be leading by example - humility, love, honesty, compassion, etc. so is it any wonder "christianity" is in the state it is whether it be a church or cc?
There are exceptions of course, but even back in A.W. Tozer's time the pastors were not feeding the flock and it has gotten much worse since he died in 1963. Part of that feeding would be leading by example - humility, love, honesty, compassion, etc. so is it any wonder "christianity" is in the state it is whether it be a church or cc?
Go back and read the thread. All the elders are pastors according to 1Peter5 and Acts 20 contrary to what you've been force fed from the pulpit. Don't feel bad we've all been lied to. Also 1Cor. 12 and Ephesians4 and Romans 12 shows every member with ministering gifts/functions. What's defiantly wrong is the way the church has been operating for about 1700 years now.
Thats why theirs always been a call for reformation. That's why there are tons of scriptures pointing to apostasy in the last days. If you believe that we are in the last days, then you have to believe the 'church' leaves somewhat to be desired.
Thats why theirs always been a call for reformation. That's why there are tons of scriptures pointing to apostasy in the last days. If you believe that we are in the last days, then you have to believe the 'church' leaves somewhat to be desired.
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Ok, I read one whole page and got tired. From what I see, Yet, if I am wrong...Is that Paul worked making tents and even said he had a right to take from the congregation for his travels yet he did not...He worked and men should work...a job that pays money.
I don't agree really that pastors should make their living off the church. I know that is a HUGE taboo for me to say and could get slinged at with all sorts of scriptures and rebukes. If he wants to write books or something else making money go for it. The church's funds should be to help the widows and fatherless and the poor IMO.
Oh, I also don't believe in tithing which is another topic that I could get slammed for too lol! (Did not say giving)
I don't agree really that pastors should make their living off the church. I know that is a HUGE taboo for me to say and could get slinged at with all sorts of scriptures and rebukes. If he wants to write books or something else making money go for it. The church's funds should be to help the widows and fatherless and the poor IMO.
Oh, I also don't believe in tithing which is another topic that I could get slammed for too lol! (Did not say giving)
Just about anything is possible. A church can ordain people to be Pastors, ministers and etc, no formal training is necessary. There is a place on line who will Ordain you for $x into any position you desire. You get a certificate stating you are XYZ with the Universal Church of... I grew up in Baptist church. Store Front Churches around me are a dime a dozen with unfit people leading them. And yes I agree, it is un-scriptural to be a Pastor and have no church.
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That's my point. The elders served freely.
The five fold ministries in the Greek were in the singular denoting that these qualifications were given by Christ. They are not offices. They are functions. The purpose? For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Did you get it yet? The saints....for the work of the ministry in the gathering. All the saints doing the ministering.
Christ is the acting head over His members. From Whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies according to the effectual working (not just sitting with mouth closed listening to another weekly sermon) in the measure of every part( not just one part, the 'pastor'. Take note. Where is that single exalted pastor at anyhow who does all the ministering by himself? News flash: He does not exist in your bible. But he does exist in your 'church'), making increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Who does this? All the saints. Every member ministering what God gave each of them with Jesus as the director of said gifts.
Every joint is to supply. Measure of every part. Body edifying itself. Not the mysteriously missing awesome Pastor Wonderful edifying the folks while they fight to stay awake.
Every joint. Every part. Every means all. Every joint. Every part. Every joint. Every part. Every joint, every part. Is anybody getting this yet? Every, every, every!!!
Every does not mean just one. Every means all the folks. All the folks ministering in turn, everything done decently and in order.
Every joint. Every part. This is what the bible says. Yes your bible! Every part. Every joint. Every joint . Every part. All. All. All. All. All the members ministering in an open meeting in turn. Not just one exalted man.
Every means every.,check it in your dictionary. Every does not mean just one minister. All ministered, every member. Christ as Head. Not a self interested man quitting his sweat shop job in order to draw a nice check for a 40 minute sermon.
They all ministered to the edifying of the body whole. All ministered with their functions and gifts. Met in homes on purpose to keep the numbers small so they could WHAT? All have a turn in ministering with the God given function imparted to them. You heard it. God gave gifts to every saint. Jesus has a body and its you and me. He would very much like to use all of His body parts in the gathering, the leg, the foot, the hand, the arm,etc., etc..but the false head says 'legs and arms and hands, I have no need of thee......except for your money!'
The folks didnt just sit with duct tape on their mouths so Reverend Onthetake could show off his oratory skills....for filthy lucre. God did not give just one man all the spiritual functions and gifts to use while the whole congregation sits hollering amen and hallelujah!
All the members functioned in the spiritual gifts in turn. Small groups. In turn. All, all, every, every saint ministering. Every! I've got to take a break. Love you all!
Now watch someone say 'I don't get it. What's your point? Why do you hate the church Yet'? All can say is 'Oh brother'!
The five fold ministries in the Greek were in the singular denoting that these qualifications were given by Christ. They are not offices. They are functions. The purpose? For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Did you get it yet? The saints....for the work of the ministry in the gathering. All the saints doing the ministering.
Christ is the acting head over His members. From Whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies according to the effectual working (not just sitting with mouth closed listening to another weekly sermon) in the measure of every part( not just one part, the 'pastor'. Take note. Where is that single exalted pastor at anyhow who does all the ministering by himself? News flash: He does not exist in your bible. But he does exist in your 'church'), making increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Who does this? All the saints. Every member ministering what God gave each of them with Jesus as the director of said gifts.
Every joint is to supply. Measure of every part. Body edifying itself. Not the mysteriously missing awesome Pastor Wonderful edifying the folks while they fight to stay awake.
Every joint. Every part. Every means all. Every joint. Every part. Every joint. Every part. Every joint, every part. Is anybody getting this yet? Every, every, every!!!
Every does not mean just one. Every means all the folks. All the folks ministering in turn, everything done decently and in order.
Every joint. Every part. This is what the bible says. Yes your bible! Every part. Every joint. Every joint . Every part. All. All. All. All. All the members ministering in an open meeting in turn. Not just one exalted man.
Every means every.,check it in your dictionary. Every does not mean just one minister. All ministered, every member. Christ as Head. Not a self interested man quitting his sweat shop job in order to draw a nice check for a 40 minute sermon.
They all ministered to the edifying of the body whole. All ministered with their functions and gifts. Met in homes on purpose to keep the numbers small so they could WHAT? All have a turn in ministering with the God given function imparted to them. You heard it. God gave gifts to every saint. Jesus has a body and its you and me. He would very much like to use all of His body parts in the gathering, the leg, the foot, the hand, the arm,etc., etc..but the false head says 'legs and arms and hands, I have no need of thee......except for your money!'
The folks didnt just sit with duct tape on their mouths so Reverend Onthetake could show off his oratory skills....for filthy lucre. God did not give just one man all the spiritual functions and gifts to use while the whole congregation sits hollering amen and hallelujah!
All the members functioned in the spiritual gifts in turn. Small groups. In turn. All, all, every, every saint ministering. Every! I've got to take a break. Love you all!
Now watch someone say 'I don't get it. What's your point? Why do you hate the church Yet'? All can say is 'Oh brother'!
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Wellll! Kinda!
The Gospel was a comprehensive message which dealt with all the trials of life by the Rule of God in our lives. It dealt with "The Rule of God" as the over all umbrella. Under that umbrella is "Safety, Healing, Deliverance from enemies, pushing back the forces of darkness, clothing, food, drink, Joy, all the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and etc".
The modern gospel has been reduced to a sound byte with no power.
(Mark 6:7-13 [UKJV])
And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits; And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no pouch, no bread, no money in their purse: But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. And he said unto them, In what place whatsoever all of you enter into an house, there abide till all of you depart from that place. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when all of you depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. And they went out, and preached that men should repent. And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
(Luke 22:35 [UKJV])
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and pouch, and shoes, lacked all of you any thing? And they said, Nothing.
(Matt 6:28-33 [UKJV])
And why take all of you thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O all of you of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knows that all of you have need of all these things. But seek all of you first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
My point is that they lived by the Gospel. They did not have to worry about money, food, coats, and a place to sleep. The Gospel provided it all. However the "Sound Byte gospel" does not contain the fullness and richness of the Gospel Jesus and His Apostles preached. If it works the way I see it in scripture it would be like this: You start the day by giving away your coat, money and food and by the end of the day it will all come back to you. This was part of the witness the people were watching and hearing concerning the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And this Gospel is now being restored to the church in these last days.
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I don't have much respect for the concept of a 'church' ordaining people to be any title.
It is God who chooses who a pastor or __insert whatever title__ will be, not man.
I understand these things took place on different levels in scripture, but my God given sense is that it's all been ruined by making 'ordinations' into something 'common' and thus wrecking it.
There are tons of pastors or prophets, or 'apostles' with "titles", who are none of those things in God's eyes. All that matters is how God sees us. Certificates of ordination mean little to nothing today. They are commonplace.
It is God who chooses who a pastor or __insert whatever title__ will be, not man.
I understand these things took place on different levels in scripture, but my God given sense is that it's all been ruined by making 'ordinations' into something 'common' and thus wrecking it.
There are tons of pastors or prophets, or 'apostles' with "titles", who are none of those things in God's eyes. All that matters is how God sees us. Certificates of ordination mean little to nothing today. They are commonplace.
