How Does One Estimate the Age of the Earth Using the Bible?

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maverich

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Is it possible that the earth is the same age as you!!
in the begining you were without form and void, and God said let there be light. and there was light.

could it be that you couldn't see clearly, and were fixated on yourself, and so God showed you all he created. After all we are all made from the dust of the ground
Is it possible that he looked and said about you Very very good. Is it possible that he sat you down in a beautiful place,

I know Jesus said In this world I will have tribulation and percecution, and I do have that in my world.

I have learned the bible is not always what it seems, and the Holy Spirit is the best teacher there is

just a thought
 
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I've read every verse in the Bible at least once and, while I don't pretend to remember every verse, I don't understand how anyone can estimate the age of the Earth using the Bible. I want to be clear: I am not saying the Earth isn't young. Nor am I saying that it isn't old. Simply that I don't understand how anyone can estimate the age of the Earth by reading the Bible. Many genealogies don't list every single person in the family. They're not necessarily incomplete; just a different type of genealogy than we'd use today. We also don't have the age at death of everyone listed in a genealogy. So how do people estimate the age of the Earth using the Bible?
One does not. One can only figure the length of time man has been on this planet. Not the age of the planet itself.
 

Kavik

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Many people use the current Jewish year (going back to Moses and the Exodus) and just go backwards using Biblical genealogy from Moses to Adam and Eve.

As others mention, there are countless generations missing (as an avid genealogist, I can tell you that the ‘genealogical standard’ for a generation is 20 years – not as many as most people think). These missing generations are usually accounted for by giving certain individuals fantastical life-spans – the Biblical genealogies were just a way for the Jewish people to connect back to their roots, so to speak and establish their connection to the Creator; they cannot be taken literally with respect to trying to establish a literal/definite timeline.
 
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[video=youtube;9qxYPE3xm8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qxYPE3xm8Q[/video]
 
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Many people use the current Jewish year (going back to Moses and the Exodus) and just go backwards using Biblical genealogy from Moses to Adam and Eve.

As others mention, there are countless generations missing (as an avid genealogist, I can tell you that the ‘genealogical standard’ for a generation is 20 years – not as many as most people think). These missing generations are usually accounted for by giving certain individuals fantastical life-spans – the Biblical genealogies were just a way for the Jewish people to connect back to their roots, so to speak and establish their connection to the Creator; they cannot be taken literally with respect to trying to establish a literal/definite timeline.
translation: u dont believe the bible. good to know we have a bible corrector here. why would u invent life-spans of people? the bible life-spans arent invented but da truth the absolute truth. they lived exactly as long as it says.
 

Magenta

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maverich said: Is it possible that the earth is the same age as you!!
in the begining you were without form and void, and God said let there be light. and there was light.
[h=1]Bright Flash of Light Marks Moment of Conception[/h][video=youtube;Lr2PNg5q538]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr2PNg5q538&t=88s[/video]
 

Kavik

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translation: u dont believe the bible. good to know we have a bible corrector here. why would u invent life-spans of people? the bible life-spans arent invented but da truth the absolute truth. they lived exactly as long as it says.

I have to respectfully disagree - the Bible (i.e. Jewish tradition) isn't the only source that does this. The legendary kings of many European countries are often given fantastical ages as well to account (or better yet, 'count') for missing generations from one known legendary king to the next.

These fantastic ages are counters, of sorts, for missing generations that have been lost to time.
 

trofimus

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Genealogies in Genesis... one of the most misunderstood places in the Bible.
 
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natsarim

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There's quite a bit ofcontroversy over which city gets to officially claim the title of "oldestcontinuously inhabited city."
With evidence ofcivilization that extends back over 11,000 years, Damascus in Syria is probablythe safest bet.
 
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Huckleberry

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These missing generations are usually accounted for by giving certain individuals fantastical life-spans – the Biblical genealogies were just a way for the Jewish people to connect back to their roots, so to speak and establish their connection to the Creator; they cannot be taken literally with respect to trying to establish a literal/definite timeline.
You are woefully ignorant and probably a heretic.
Prior to the Great Flood, men lived nearly 1000 years.
The world was much different then, and conducive to great size and longevity.
See: fossil record.
 

Kavik

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There's quite a bit ofcontroversy over which city gets to officially claim the title of "oldestcontinuously inhabited city."
With evidence ofcivilization that extends back over 11,000 years, Damascus in Syria is probablythe safest bet.

Interesting - the city where I live is divided roughly in half by a large river. In the downtown area there is a falls as well as a large lake on the edge of the city. These areas (as well as many others around the city)have both been continually inhabited for at least 10,000 years. Born out by artifacts found as well the oral history of the Native Americans who first lived in the city. We tend to think of most places here in the US as starting to be inhabited post European arrival forgetting that many have been inhabited by First Nations people for thousands of years prior to Europeans.
 
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Interesting - the city where I live is divided roughly in half by a large river. In the downtown area there is a falls as well as a large lake on the edge of the city. These areas (as well as many others around the city)have both been continually inhabited for at least 10,000 years. Born out by artifacts found as well the oral history of the Native Americans who first lived in the city. We tend to think of most places here in the US as starting to be inhabited post European arrival forgetting that many have been inhabited by First Nations people for thousands of years prior to Europeans.
From one of my ancient texts in my library, the City of Eridu is the oldest city on the planet. It was founded about five hundred years after creation of man.
This sounds really strange..... As head of the temple organization of the god Marduk, the
Babylonian historian Berossus had access to the cuneiform texts of the ancient archives of Esagila.
Berossus wrote three books on the history of Babylon for Alexander the Great; these works are known from quotations by later authors including Alexander Polyhistor (1st century BC), Abydenus (2nd century AD) and Appolodorus. Berossus wrote that the first Abgal sage sent by En-ki was called Uana-Adapa, worshipped at the oldest Mesopotamian city of Eridu. UnaAdapa was better known by his
Greek name “Oannes”:
At first they [human beings] led a somewhat wretched existence and lived without rule after the manner of beasts. But, in the first year appeared an animal endowed with human reason, named Oannes, who rose from out of the Erythian [Red] Sea, at the point where it borders Babylonia. He had the whole
body of a fish, but above his fish’s head he had another head which was that of a man, and human feet emerged from beneath his fish’s tail. He had a human voice, and an image of him is preserved unto this day. He passed the day in the midst of men without taking food; he taught them the use of letters, sciences and arts of all kinds. He taught them to construct cities, to found temples, to compile laws, and explained to them the principles of geometrical knowledge. He made them distinguish the seeds of the earth, and showed them how to collect the fruits; in
short he instructed them in everything which could tend to soften human manners and humanize their laws. From that time nothing material has been added by way of improvement to his instructions. And when the sun set, this being Oannes, retired again into the sea, for he was amphibious. After this
there appeared other animals
like Oannes
Berossus listed ten legendary kings who ruled before the worldwide flood. During the reign of Ammenon, the fourth king, the hybrid demi-god Oannes appeared. The antediluvian kings listed by
Berossus were said to have ruled Sumer for 120 periods of 3,600 years—a combined total of 432,000
years.
Alorus 36,000 Alaparus 10,800
Almelon 46,800 Ammenon
43,200 Amegalarus 64,800
Daonus 36,000 Edoranchus
64,800 Amempsinus 36,000
Otiartes 28,800 Xisuthrus
64,800 totalling 432,000
astronomical years, then the flood.

Obviously this was the time when the nephilim ruled...
 

Kavik

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Cool! The Sumerian kings list is another known example of antediluvian "longevity".

Aside from being space markers/counters for missing generations from one known (even if known in name only) individual to the next, there is another possibility for the ages referenced which does reference back to Mesopotamia.

Language is not the only thing that changes with time - numbers and the way people reckon those numbers may change as well (with respect to the systems used).

To paraphrase a bit from an article on this -

We must keep in mind that the Biblical account is, of course, not a firsthand account, but rather a record of ancestral tradition.

There are examples of lists of important people with extraordinary numbers listed as their ages in multiple examples from the Ancient Near East; the Biblical tradition is not the first. So there is a precedent for the Old Testament to do this.

The Sumerians and other Mesopotamian peoples (since at least 3100 BC) used a sexagesimal numbering system, which means that it was base 60, instead of our base 10.

The biggest issue with Mesopotamian numbers, however, is the idea of sacred numbers. Some numbers had a symbolic meaning beyond their mathematical meaning, and therefore were numerological rather than numerical in some contexts, meaning that its symbolic value would be used rather than its mathematical value.

Now, what connection does this have to the Biblical chronologies? The numbers are based on the Mesopotamian system of numbers. All the ages in the Genesis genealogies fall into two categories: numbers divisible by 5 (ending in 5 or 0), and multiples of 5 with the addition of 7 (or two 7s). 5 years = 60 months. The final digits are always 0, 7, 5, 2, and 9. 2 because 5+7 = 12, and 9 because 5+7+7 = 19. The odds are astronomical that there would not be a number in the list that did not match. Therefore, we have a lot of indications that these are symbolic numbers, based on a very different number system; however, we don't really know what meaning these numbers may have had to the original tellers/keepers of these genealogies.

Additional evidence for these being symbolic rather than real can be seen in the fact that many of the patriarchs' ages overlap significantly and impossibly according to the narrative. Additionally, there are different numbers among various ancient translations of the text (specifically the Hebrew Masoretic Text and the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint).

Again, looking specifically at the ages of the Patriarchs, we can see that this is a list that has correlations with other similar lists. If you take the list of the ages of the Sumerian pre flood kings, and assume that instead of being in a sexagesimal system (base sixty) they are instead part of a base ten system, you end up with a list of ages that are equivalent to the Biblical one, albeit rounded to the nearest ten. As time went by, many of these cultures went through a number of different number systems, as well as different ways of representing numbers.
 

maverich

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[h=1]Bright Flash of Light Marks Moment of Conception[/h][video=youtube;Lr2PNg5q538]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr2PNg5q538&t=88s[/video]
that is super cool thx for sharing it
 

Bladerunner

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You might want to begin by studying The Chronology of the Old Testament by Martin Anstey who has dealt with this issue very thorougly and biblically, using the Year of Man (Anno Hominis) as the starting point.

Yes and then go back and read the Bible.
 

stillness

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No, it doesn't. Peter quotes Psalm 90:4, which says a thousand years to God is both 'like' a day or a watch in the night, which is 3 hours.

So why don't you write 8,000 years = 1 day?
That's the same verse!

Because Psalm 90:4 is not giving us an unit conversion equation. It's telling us that God, the Creator of time, is not confined by it, does not consider it like humans do and does not have a patience limited by it.

This Psalm is not written in order for us to set dates, but so that we would know to fear and stand in awe of Him who is beyond time itself.
We can thankful that we are not saved by our understanding of God, It's written and explained in many places that to God a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Yes its explained between the lines so that as it's written only the wise will understand. The wise admit they don't know as they should and continue learning. Don't explain away a mystery to your understanding. "If any man thinks he know he does not know as He should."
If we think we know we stop learning, and if there is a benefit in remaining in our comfort zone thinking we know, don't have a taste for it.
 
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jaybird88

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wouldn't counting the generations give you the age of man and not so much the planet.

when did the age of man begin, at the creation of Adam or the fall of Adam?