How important is the name of Jesus?

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Christ was at the time of creation, to remove Christ would be to remove the triune God.

What I think is so misunderstood is who God the Father is, for to remove the Father is also to remove God. You say that Christ brought in the law of love, and that is such a misunderstanding. If you read the psalms it is filled with love. What you are saying about what Christ brought in is what the book of Isaiah is all about. If what you are saying about God the Father was correct, we would be created by a God without love for us, Jesus could not go back and stop the four thousand years the world would have been in without love and we would be in real danger today. Today's church is saying that it is only because we have a new God that we can have anything good.

That is simply not so. When God (not Christ, but God) brought in the new testament that was a better relationship we have with God (it includes Christ but it was God) then we have a better way to relate to God, not a better way to relate to Christ. In fact it was given to the world by first being given to the Jews only. We are only partakers of this covenant by the grace and love of God and adopted in. We repay God by saying it was Jesus alone who gave us gentiles this wonder, this thing of absolute beauty and love.

NO if you read John 3:16 for God so Loved the World HE Gave what did HE give?

HIS Son, Jesus was the Love of God revealed to the world Period. Everything in the Old was a type or shadow of HIS Son who God said In Genesis HE would come. Your assumption is that Jesus is not God I am not going to debate that foolishness . Jesus is God and the second person of the Trinity The eternal existence of the Son is in the word of God Jesus was not a created being .

 

[Blik]

if that was the case I could see your point however, IF we follow Christ we fullfill the requirements of the old Because Jesus has fullfilled them. YOU and I can not any longer fullfill the Law . you and i broke it your guilty and deserve to die. Jesus paid your debt and HE did mine . SO now you are a slave to your Master. You are either dead because of the law you already broke or you have accepted the pardon of your death seantance paid by the Lord Jesus Christ, which is it? Christ standard is a higher one because you can only over rule a LAW by a greater law our NEW law is LOVE

I don't think you and God are on the same page when you speak of fulfilling the law. Jesus WAS at creation and the OT is full of Him. Think about if we were living at the time that Christ was born. Would you think that this obscure babe so ordinary he was born in a barn, was the Messiah promised in scripture. You would believe what you church told you about what the Messiah was and it sure wasn't someone like Christ if he followed what the church said.

When we learn the truth, it is that this obscure poor carpenter DID fulfill all that scripture said about the Messiah, So today's church preaches that when Christ fulfilled it, all we have to do is believe that and how we live in this world simply doesn't matter to God.

To make this idea stich with people, it is the truth that we just can't live well enough to be considered as people for eternal life. So how could we know that truth and make the law that guides what we do matter? God gave the atonement system for thousands of years to help us because how we live results in our happiness or our bondage to sin. Sin is like cigarettes. If you indulge in a few they make your body crave them and you are bound to the things. With Christ, it is the path to freedom. The path to our acceptance---our salvation. We need to trust God as all the attributes God has, all that it tells us in psalms. God will save us through the blood of Christ. We don't have the old way to atonement, now we have Christ to salvation. Salvation is given us by God through His grace, not through what we have done to obey.

That is fulfilled, not some hokey pokey the church hands down. The church was wrong at the time of Christ, and the church is wrong today. They denied Christ in old times, we are denying the attributes of the Father today and distorting Christ. Christ is our path to salvation, the mighty son and glorious, but Christ is subject to the Father.

 

[Blik]

NO if you read John 3:16 for God so Loved the World HE Gave what did HE give?

HIS Son, Jesus was the Love of God revealed to the world Period. Everything in the Old was a type or shadow of HIS Son who God said In Genesis HE would come. Your assumption is that Jesus is not God I am not going to debate that foolishness . Jesus is God and the second person of the Trinity The eternal existence of the Son is in the word of God Jesus was not a created being .

Never, never, never would I deny Christ the Son of God and is God. Christ is subject to the Father and the Holy Ghost was sent to help us and is God. They are God. What I would so like to get across to all the people God loves so is to not put Christ as a replacement of God. It is God's desire and our need to spend time in praising God. We cannot do that and at the same time say God the Father is a God of law without love in it.

 

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Does this mean that our triune God has more power than any other force on earth or that only the segment of God that is the Christ has more power than God the Father?

Could you give me the attributes of God the Father?

Do you not know G-d the Father is Messiah!?!

This is Scripture argue with G-d not me if you do not like it!!! Mat 28:18; Mat 16:19.

 

[CS1]

I don't think you and God are on the same page when you speak of fulfilling the law. Jesus WAS at creation and the OT is full of Him. Think about if we were living at the time that Christ was born. Would you think that this obscure babe so ordinary he was born in a barn, was the Messiah promised in scripture. You would believe what you church told you about what the Messiah was and it sure wasn't someone like Christ if he followed what the church said.

When we learn the truth, it is that this obscure poor carpenter DID fulfill all that scripture said about the Messiah, So today's church preaches that when Christ fulfilled it, all we have to do is believe that and how we live in this world simply doesn't matter to God.

To make this idea stich with people, it is the truth that we just can't live well enough to be considered as people for eternal life. So how could we know that truth and make the law that guides what we do matter? God gave the atonement system for thousands of years to help us because how we live results in our happiness or our bondage to sin. Sin is like cigarettes. If you indulge in a few they make your body crave them and you are bound to the things. With Christ, it is the path to freedom. The path to our acceptance---our salvation. We need to trust God as all the attributes God has, all that it tells us in psalms. God will save us through the blood of Christ. We don't have the old way to atonement, now we have Christ to salvation. Salvation is given us by God through His grace, not through what we have done to obey.

That is fulfilled, not some hokey pokey the church hands down. The church was wrong at the time of Christ, and the church is wrong today. They denied Christ in old times, we are denying the attributes of the Father today and distorting Christ. Christ is our path to salvation, the mighty son and glorious, but Christ is subject to the Father.

again you say Jesus was at creation like that was some kind of Anomaly. Jesus came to die and there ws avail over the Jewish People to not accept Christ. And everything Jesus did from his birth location to where He would be raised was all Propheised. And no one is saying or even suggesting salvation "through what we have done to obey".
That I never even said or think. And you will not be calling Jesus the glorious Son as truth as that statement is you and I will be Calling HIM LORD! which is the Supreme Authority and He has the Blessing of the Father in that too. You will fall down and worship HIM.