How long is the tribulation?
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Yes there was a Generation of people (a group of people, age of a group) The particular generation lived to be 100 years old.
Yes the generation of 1900 ( whatever they were called) did not pass until the last person in that generation died...Correct.....However
We now know the average age (age at death)of that generation.
"the generation will NOT die away,,,,before all these things (prophecies) are fulfilled.
To give us an idea of the time that all things are to be fulfilled, we can use the average age of that group. For all intents and purposes that date should give us some idea of when these prophecies are to be fulfilled. Keep in mind that one of those prophecies has already been fulfilled. That was the return of Jerusalem (the Holy City) to Israel in 1967.....
Yes there still could be prophecy beyond the average.... Yes, for sure.......
There are many prophecies that have yet to be fulfilled. When they will be fulfill within that age range of that generation we do not know. If 100 years from 1948 is the last very last person 'of that generations' death, then I will expect that all the projected prophecies be fulfilled.
Where am I going wrong here. Of course if you believe in the replacement theology,,,don't even bother answering.
We know the temple was destroyed in AD 70 and Jerusalem has been tread under the feet of Gentiles for the last 2000 years. Can you not see what's being told to us in that verse.... the tribulation is the time Jerusalem is tread under the feet of the Gentiles, forty and two months is being defined for us in that verse.
The woman is hidden in the wilderness for the exact same time as Jerusalem is tread under the Gentiles. The woman IS NOT flesh Israel she Jerusalem which is above, the mother of us all. Rejoice thou barren!
Galatians 4:27 KJV
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
This verse is talking about Christ... the barren gives birth to the child of Promise, she DID NOT travail in his birth. His mother is hidden and nourished in the wilderness for forty and two months... this is as plain as day. Israel THE HARLOT did NOT give birth to the man child.
The woman is hidden in the wilderness for the exact same time as Jerusalem is tread under the Gentiles. The woman IS NOT flesh Israel she Jerusalem which is above, the mother of us all. Rejoice thou barren!
Galatians 4:27 KJV
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
This verse is talking about Christ... the barren gives birth to the child of Promise, she DID NOT travail in his birth. His mother is hidden and nourished in the wilderness for forty and two months... this is as plain as day. Israel THE HARLOT did NOT give birth to the man child.
I will agree with that assessment somewhat although for a different reason.... History and the Bible tells us that the Beast (Roman Army) not only tore the old site down,(every block moved) but they rebuild a different city on the entire site of Jerusalem (Aelia Capitolina).
This would be why maybe certain areas are not at the same location (altitude) as it use to be ????????.
Having said that, there has been a lot of activity/interest in the rebuilding of the temple by the Orthodox Jews in Israel. Isaiah 28:14-29 KJV, tells us that these Jewish people make a covenant with Death and Shoel (same as in Rev 6). They do it because they think they are going to able to HIDE from the antichrist in the end. God tells them they will not hide.
Keep in mind that the Orthodox Judaism are the ones that do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah and are trying to rebuild the temple so they can reinstall the animal sacrifice , thus being able to call the Messiah down from heaven.
Still talked to long....my bad!
anyways,,,have a great day?
Daniel 12:12.(KJV)...."12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days."
We know almost the exact day Jesus will return on the White Horse. 1260 days after the "Abomination of Desolation".
Question....what is the extra 45 days for??.
His reign will come from Jerusalem....This will give time for everyone around the world to get ready for the millennium and get there.. Rem it says. "Blessed is he who waits and Arrives at 1335.
Where are they to arrive at: Jerusalem? more than likely...
We know almost the exact day Jesus will return on the White Horse. 1260 days after the "Abomination of Desolation".
Question....what is the extra 45 days for??.
His reign will come from Jerusalem....This will give time for everyone around the world to get ready for the millennium and get there.. Rem it says. "Blessed is he who waits and Arrives at 1335.
Where are they to arrive at: Jerusalem? more than likely...
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Daniel tells us absolutely nothing about the length of the Great Tribulation. In fact, he tells us nothing about it at all, per se, as defining it. Nowhere in Daniel does it actually indicate "this is talking about the Great Tribulation"; the closest thing to it would be Daniel 11:31-39.
If anyone wants to say that Daniel 12:1 refers to the Great Tribulation, then that does not leave any room for more than a 'mention' ot if.
Considering that Daniel 12:1 occurs after everything in Daniel 11 ( including the AoD ), consider this:
~ the last part of Daniel 11:35, starting with the phrase "to the time of the end"
~ the phrase "and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" in Daniel 11:36
~ Daniel 11:40-45
How much time will have elapsed between Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:1?
Yet...
Matthew 24:
[SUP]20[/SUP] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: [SUP]21[/SUP] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
In these verses, it seems to "pinpoint" the beginning of the Great Tribulation to a single day.
What do you think about that?
If anyone wants to say that Daniel 12:1 refers to the Great Tribulation, then that does not leave any room for more than a 'mention' ot if.
Considering that Daniel 12:1 occurs after everything in Daniel 11 ( including the AoD ), consider this:
~ the last part of Daniel 11:35, starting with the phrase "to the time of the end"
~ the phrase "and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" in Daniel 11:36
~ Daniel 11:40-45
How much time will have elapsed between Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:1?
Yet...
Matthew 24:
[SUP]20[/SUP] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: [SUP]21[/SUP] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
In these verses, it seems to "pinpoint" the beginning of the Great Tribulation to a single day.
What do you think about that?
Very good noticing GaryA. What this means is that the term 'sabbath' is a word that stands for the great tribulation period. In other words, the tribulation period is the Sabbath - also known as the Lord's Day, the Day of the Lord. Behold, the Day of the Lord cometh, and so forth. Like all parable words in the Bible, it may represent something rather than be the surface word. So it may represent a much longer time than a single day. The term winter also seems to be meaning the great tribulation time.
Israel took back East Jerusalem in the Seven Days war. The took West Jerusalem from Jordan in 1948. Trump is going to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. Arabs live in Jerusalem, but Israel polices Jerusalem.
Today, the status of Jerusalem remains one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, West Jerusalem was among the areas captured and later annexed by Israel while East Jerusalem, including the Old City, was captured and later annexed by Jordan. Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently annexed it into Jerusalem, together with additional surrounding territory.[SUP][viii][/SUP] One of Israel's Basic Laws, the 1980 Jerusalem Law, refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital. All branches of the Israeli government are located in Jerusalem, including the Knesset (Israel's parliament), the residences of the Prime Minister and President, and the Supreme Court. Whilst the international community rejected the annexation as illegal and treats East Jerusalem as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel....
So basically when the Beast/Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, he will be treading it under foot for 42 months. Jesus shows up on the Mt. of Olives, and that will be the Beast/A.C. last hooray. AMEN.
Today, the status of Jerusalem remains one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, West Jerusalem was among the areas captured and later annexed by Israel while East Jerusalem, including the Old City, was captured and later annexed by Jordan. Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently annexed it into Jerusalem, together with additional surrounding territory.[SUP][viii][/SUP] One of Israel's Basic Laws, the 1980 Jerusalem Law, refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital. All branches of the Israeli government are located in Jerusalem, including the Knesset (Israel's parliament), the residences of the Prime Minister and President, and the Supreme Court. Whilst the international community rejected the annexation as illegal and treats East Jerusalem as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel....
So basically when the Beast/Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, he will be treading it under foot for 42 months. Jesus shows up on the Mt. of Olives, and that will be the Beast/A.C. last hooray. AMEN.
Birdie,
The Lords day, as mentioned in Revelation 1:10 is in reverence to the first day of the week when the Lord rose from the dead, on which John was meditating on the Lord. The day of the Lord on the other hand, is a specific time where God is going to pour out his wrath upon the inhabitants of the earth leading up to Christ's return to end the age. Therefore, the Lord's day and the day of the Lord, are two completely different meanings. Under the law, the Sabbath was a day of rest. But you have made it a day of wrath, by misapplying those meanings.
In the scripture that you provided above in conjunction with Dan.9:27, the ceasing of the sacrifices and offering and the setting up of the abomination in the holy place within the temple, will be what causes Israel to flee, which is the desolation caused by the abomination. The reference to "pray that it does not take place in the winter" is obviously because it would be harsher conditions for escaping. The same goes for those women who pregnant or nursing mother's. The meaning of praying that this event doesn't take place on the Sabbath, could possibly refer to their desire to keep the law, which would keep them being able to travel longer than the law allowed in order to escape and because all businesses would be shut down, meaning that their fleeing would have to take place on foot, also hindering their escape.
There are no parables in Matt.24:15-21, winter = literal winter, Sabbath = literal Sabbath day, pregnant women and nursing mothers are also literal. The disciples asked Jesus what the signs of his coming would be and the end of the age. In response to their question, He is gave them literal answers of the events that will take place in the future. There is no reason to apply symbolism or to make it into a parable.
The Lords day, as mentioned in Revelation 1:10 is in reverence to the first day of the week when the Lord rose from the dead, on which John was meditating on the Lord. The day of the Lord on the other hand, is a specific time where God is going to pour out his wrath upon the inhabitants of the earth leading up to Christ's return to end the age. Therefore, the Lord's day and the day of the Lord, are two completely different meanings. Under the law, the Sabbath was a day of rest. But you have made it a day of wrath, by misapplying those meanings.
In the scripture that you provided above in conjunction with Dan.9:27, the ceasing of the sacrifices and offering and the setting up of the abomination in the holy place within the temple, will be what causes Israel to flee, which is the desolation caused by the abomination. The reference to "pray that it does not take place in the winter" is obviously because it would be harsher conditions for escaping. The same goes for those women who pregnant or nursing mother's. The meaning of praying that this event doesn't take place on the Sabbath, could possibly refer to their desire to keep the law, which would keep them being able to travel longer than the law allowed in order to escape and because all businesses would be shut down, meaning that their fleeing would have to take place on foot, also hindering their escape.
There are no parables in Matt.24:15-21, winter = literal winter, Sabbath = literal Sabbath day, pregnant women and nursing mothers are also literal. The disciples asked Jesus what the signs of his coming would be and the end of the age. In response to their question, He is gave them literal answers of the events that will take place in the future. There is no reason to apply symbolism or to make it into a parable.
Thanks for sharing. As you no doubt already know, we have vastly different opinions concerning whether the Bible is written in parable form. In my opinion, God clues us in to the fact that the Bible is written in parable form: "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples." Most seminaries take your approach, with something akin to the following being their approach: The Bible is to be understood as a surface text unless it is immediately apparent that a parable or figure or metaphor is being used in a given instance of verse. For the benefit of anyone who may be interested:
"And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation..."
I see 'them that are with child and that give suck' as speaking of the congregations who having been raising up spiritual children with the sincere milk of the gospel. The flight being spoken of is the flight out of the congregations, because the congregations have fallen spiritually during the great tribulation period.
"And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation..."
I see 'them that are with child and that give suck' as speaking of the congregations who having been raising up spiritual children with the sincere milk of the gospel. The flight being spoken of is the flight out of the congregations, because the congregations have fallen spiritually during the great tribulation period.
When it comes to interpretation, in our organization the text is literal unless it's impossible to interpret otherwise.
I have never in my life heard the interpretation "with child and that give suck" interpreted as a parable. It's plain.
To interpret it as a parable opens the door to thousands of interpretations, making the true meaning useless.
I have never in my life heard the interpretation "with child and that give suck" interpreted as a parable. It's plain.
To interpret it as a parable opens the door to thousands of interpretations, making the true meaning useless.
You have got to be kidding me?????????????it seems to me that you are taken up by replacement theology.......Leaving out the Jewish Nation and people (God's timepiece).
I give you Genesis 12:2 before it is too late....."2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:"
I give you Genesis 12:2 before it is too late....."2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:"
It was not so much as a replacement .But a reformation, they restore not replace.
What time period do you think it was stored to?
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until "the time of reformation"Heb 9:8
Daniel tells us absolutely nothing about the length of the Great Tribulation. In fact, he tells us nothing about it at all, per se, as defining it. Nowhere in Daniel does it actually indicate "this is talking about the Great Tribulation"; the closest thing to it would be Daniel 11:31-39.
If anyone wants to say that Daniel 12:1 refers to the Great Tribulation, then that does not leave any room for more than a 'mention' ot if.
Considering that Daniel 12:1 occurs after everything in Daniel 11 ( including the AoD ), consider this:
~ the last part of Daniel 11:35, starting with the phrase "to the time of the end"
~ the phrase "and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" in Daniel 11:36
~ Daniel 11:40-45
How much time will have elapsed between Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:1?
Yet...
Matthew 24:
[SUP]20[/SUP] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: [SUP]21[/SUP] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
In these verses, it seems to "pinpoint" the beginning of the Great Tribulation to a single day.
What do you think about that?
If anyone wants to say that Daniel 12:1 refers to the Great Tribulation, then that does not leave any room for more than a 'mention' ot if.
Considering that Daniel 12:1 occurs after everything in Daniel 11 ( including the AoD ), consider this:
~ the last part of Daniel 11:35, starting with the phrase "to the time of the end"
~ the phrase "and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" in Daniel 11:36
~ Daniel 11:40-45
How much time will have elapsed between Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:1?
Yet...
Matthew 24:
[SUP]20[/SUP] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: [SUP]21[/SUP] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
In these verses, it seems to "pinpoint" the beginning of the Great Tribulation to a single day.
What do you think about that?
OK GaryA.......The answers to your questions above has been shown again and again on this forum to you and several others that believe in the Replacement theory, yet, you still ask the same questions. This obsessive behavior is reminiscent of the JWs (JayWhos) and their rabid belief in a false doctrine that has been debunked multiple times over many years.
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LOL -- I do not believe in Replacement Theology - where in the world did you get that from? Have you not seen my comments about Israel - as a nation - "having their part" in the 1000-year reign of Christ?
Neither do I consider myself to be 'Reformed', per se; I do not strictly adhere to either of these extremes.
I don't bother with labels, much; I just know what I believe. However, from what I have read about how others define these terms, I think I stated the foregoing correctly.
Neither do I consider myself to be 'Reformed', per se; I do not strictly adhere to either of these extremes.
I don't bother with labels, much; I just know what I believe. However, from what I have read about how others define these terms, I think I stated the foregoing correctly.