How Long Was A Creation Day?

[Straightshot]

"No, no. The Gap Theory, Lucifer's Flood, whatever you want to put between the two verses, there's no evidence for any of it. Those are the same sort of back-flips through self-made hoops that theistic evolutionists do to reconcile evolution and God's Word. The Gap Theory wasn't even a thing up until a few hundred years ago. There's no need for it"


Yes, yes

Exactly true as the genesis account tells .... the only valid explanation from the Lord's own word .... one does not need to refer to any "gap" theory as you say

Little has been revealed about what went on before 6000 years ago by the Lord's choice

The sons of God shouted for joy billions of years ago [the created angels] at the beginning of creation

The aging of the universe is past finding out

If the Lord had included all that went on before Genesis 1:2 you would need a fleet of trucks to carry your Bible around

And there is another time lapse continuum in scripture not recorded in the prophetic record .... between the ending of the 69th week of the 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel ending at the Lord's cutting off in the first century ...... and the beginning of the 70th still pending

The record of the prophets past and future projections records not one earthly event between to this very day

.... He is waiting to bring the 70th week and beyond .... so no need to make the last 2000 years a part of His completed prophetic word

You will not find any significant events like the Roman, Arabian, Mongol, Ottoman, and British rule in the scope of the visions of the prophets ..... neither the crusades, inquisitions, WW I, WW 2, the holocaust, the Persian Gulf wars, or Israel's recent wars with the Muslims are recorded

This is because the unfulfilled portion of future events upon the earth in the prophets visions have not yet begun .... but they will with 100% accuracy just as those of the past

He has given us what He wants us to know as revealed in his prophetic word ..... no more, no less

The only information that can be relied upon for truth [Revelation 22:18-19]

He has set Israel out as an ensign to the nations, past and future, for showing His hand in the sweep of human history

Israel has been set aside because of unbelief .... but this is going to change ..... and then the prophetical record out in front of us will begin to roll

 

[Jason0047]

The Jeremiah passage is talking about the future state of the world after the 7 year Tribulation and Christ's 2nd Coming after He destroys the nations. 2 Peter 3:6 that says that the "old world" that perished is not in reference to some pre-creation Luciferian world, but it is in reference to the "old world" before the flood in 2 Peter 2:5. There is no verse or set of verses that talk about a pre-creation Luciferian world. None. It's all imagination. Actually, in Psalm 104 we learn that the angels were created on the second day of the creation week (Which would be right before the angels shouted for joy before the foundations were laid on day 3).

 

[Bowman]

-So then, in my estimation, the days of creation should be taken to represent
epochs of indeterminable length rather than 24-hour calendar days.

Agreed....

 

[Straightshot]

"The Jeremiah passage is talking about the future state of the world after the 7 year Tribulation and Christ's 2nd Coming after He destroys the nations. 2 Peter 3:6 that says that the "old world" that perished is not in reference to some pre-creation Luciferian world, but it is in reference to the "old world" before the flood in 2 Peter 2:5. There is no verse or set of verses that talk about a pre-creation Luciferian world. None. It's all imagination. Actually, in Psalm 104 we learn that the angels were created on the second day of the creation week (Which would be right before the angels shouted for joy before the foundations were laid on day 3)."


I don't think so .... Peter refers to the deluge of a prior judgment as stated in Genesis 1:2

The world did not perish in the Noahic flood ..... it continued through Noah and his family

All of the angels were created in the beginning [Job 1:6; 38:1-7]

And so was this one [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28] ..... long before humans appeared on the earth

The evidence of the pre-Adamite earth is found in fossil records billions of years old

Do you believe in the evolution of the human race over billions of years?

Tell me about your interpretation of Psalms 104 and the 2nd day creation of the angels

The passage just states that He makes His angles spirits .... ministers of flaming fire, but not when, and certainly not on the 2nd day of the reconditioning of the earth in Genesis 1:8 abut 6000 years ago

..... I really wonder about your idea?

And tell about the "Jeremiah passage" in reference

 

[Bowman]

This seems clear-cut to me. Six days to create the universe and rest on the seventh day.

Since we are still in the seventh day.....can we get Guinness to record it as a new world record for the longest 24hr day...?

 

[Tintin]

"The Jeremiah passage is talking about the future state of the world after the 7 year Tribulation and Christ's 2nd Coming after He destroys the nations. 2 Peter 3:6 that says that the "old world" that perished is not in reference to some pre-creation Luciferian world, but it is in reference to the "old world" before the flood in 2 Peter 2:5. There is no verse or set of verses that talk about a pre-creation Luciferian world. None. It's all imagination. Actually, in Psalm 104 we learn that the angels were created on the second day of the creation week (Which would be right before the angels shouted for joy before the foundations were laid on day 3)."


I don't think so .... Peter refers to the deluge of a prior judgment as stated in Genesis 1:2

The world did not perish in the Noahic flood ..... it continued through Noah and his family

All of the angels were created in the beginning [Job 1:6; 38:1-7]

And so was this one [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28] ..... long before humans appeared on the earth

The evidence of the pre-Adamite earth is found in fossil records billions of years old

Do you believe in the evolution of the human race over billions of years?

Tell me about your interpretation of Psalms 104 and the 2nd day creation of the angels

The passage just states that He makes His angles spirits .... ministers of flaming fire, but not when, and certainly not on the 2nd day of the reconditioning of the earth in Genesis 1:8 abut 6000 years ago

..... I really wonder about your idea?

And tell about the "Jeremiah passage" in reference

No, it's not! The so-called different geologic ages can be explained by the Great Flood of Noah's time, not my uniformitarianism. There's no such thing as a pre-Adamic race. Do you hear yourself? "Science is my god above God's Word!" Not cool, man. Not cool.

Heck, no! I believe in the creation of one male and female/husband and wife pair who started the human race around 6,000 years ago.

 

[Straightshot]

This is the way it happened as I said .... as recorded in the biblical account .... no doubt

... and I said nothing about a pre-Adamic race of humans either ..... you did

Do you think the bone peddlers have found evidence?

They have not ..... only monkey bones

Dinosaurs are not humans and neither are ape look-a-likes .... get it?

 

[Tintin]

This is the way it happened

... and I said nothing about a pre-Adamic race either ..... you did

Do you think the bone peddlers have found evidence?

They have not ..... only monkey bones

Dinosaurs are not humans and neither are ape look-a-likes .... get it?

I quoted your post that talked about a pre-Adamic race. That's it.

 

[Straightshot]

I said

"The evidence of the pre-Adamite earth is found in fossil records billions of years old"

You quoted in error

 

[Jason0047]

"The Jeremiah passage is talking about the future state of the world after the 7 year Tribulation and Christ's 2nd Coming after He destroys the nations. 2 Peter 3:6 that says that the "old world" that perished is not in reference to some pre-creation Luciferian world, but it is in reference to the "old world" before the flood in 2 Peter 2:5. There is no verse or set of verses that talk about a pre-creation Luciferian world. None. It's all imagination. Actually, in Psalm 104 we learn that the angels were created on the second day of the creation week (Which would be right before the angels shouted for joy before the foundations were laid on day 3)."


I don't think so .... Peter refers to the deluge of a prior judgment as stated in Genesis 1:2

The world did not perish in the Noahic flood ..... it continued through Noah and his family

All of the angels were created in the beginning [Job 1:6; 38:1-7]

And so was this one [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28] ..... long before humans appeared on the earth

The evidence of the pre-Adamite earth is found in fossil records billions of years old

Do you believe in the evolution of the human race over billions of years?

Tell me about your interpretation of Psalms 104 and the 2nd day creation of the angels

The passage just states that He makes His angles spirits .... ministers of flaming fire, but not when, and certainly not on the 2nd day of the reconditioning of the earth in Genesis 1:8 abut 6000 years ago

..... I really wonder about your idea?

And tell about the "Jeremiah passage" in reference

Your not reading the passages. Compare the words "old world" in 2 Peter 2:5 with the words "old world" in 2 Peter 3:6. What is Peter talking about in 2 Peter 2:5? The Global Flood or some Luciferian lost world?

 

[Straightshot]

I think I read quite well

Can you address the inquiries that I asked you for?

 

[Tintin]

I said

"The evidence of the pre-Adamite earth is found in fossil records billions of years old"

You quoted in error

Er... sorry about that. What happened was I read both sentences but my eye flickered from the word 'pre-Adamite' to the word below it 'race', instead of 'earth'.

 

[Jason0047]

I think I read quite well

Can you address the inquiries that I asked you for?

Some Gap Theorists believe 2 Peter 3:6 is speaking of a Luciferian old world. However, this cannot be, though.

For...

2 Peter 3:6 says,
"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

And yet the context of the verse before it in the previous chapter in...

2 Peter 2:5 says,
"And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

In other words, sounds pretty clear to me that the word "world" in 2 Peter 3:6 is talking about the same "world" in 2 Peter 2:5.

 

[Jason0047]

The Millennium is a foreshadow, type, or parallel of the Old Testament (Even though it is till the New Testament still) and the Eternal New Earth after that is a foreshadow, type, or parallel of the everlasting New Testament in Christ. The Earth is approximately 6,000 years old, i.e. 6 days God created the Earth (6 days = 6,000 years). We are now in a prophetic gap or age of grace in addition to this time. Until the seventh week of Daniel comes, which is seven years. The 7th day = one additional 1,000 years to the 6,000 year age of the Earth plus the Age of Grace that we are now under. So the Millennium represents the 7th day Sabbath of the Old Testament. Then there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth that will be eternal and perfect like the New Testament.

Edit Correction:

Meant to say, "70th Week of Daniel comes which is seven years."

 

[Straightshot]

The deluge of the great deep seen in Genesis 1:2 and the Noahic flood are not the same .... both true, but not the same [1000 years apart]

The deluge of the great deep had a much different effect destroying all life forms and this caused the need for the Lord's reconditioning acts to set an inhabitable earth which would support new life forms including the human made in His image

None of these things were necessary after the flood of Noah's day

The point made to the scoffers is that the Lord does make judgment upon His creation and that there is another one coming of which the scoffers willfully deny

 

[Calminian]

I think there are two creation stories in Genesis (Gen 1:1-2:4a and Gen 2:4b-2:25). The first one talks about a day as in a 24 hour cycle. Along with the repetition of "evening and morning," the "lights in the sky" are specifically established to keep time (1:14-15).

Gen 2:4 closes the creation account as sort of a summary statement. Verse 5 does not start a new creation account, but rather an account of the planting of the garden of eden. It's a new account within Genesis, but not a 2nd creation account.

 

[Calminian]

Just based on reading and comparing. In the second account, man is created before any shrub had grown. ....

No, that's not what the passage says. Read carefully. Man preceded cultivated plants "plants of the field." The text tells us the cultivated plants did not yet exist because there was no man around to plant and care for them. Then God proceeded to plant the Garden of Eden, the first cultivated garden.

This does not mean that Adam preceded wild plants.

 

[Calminian]

The deluge of the great deep seen in Genesis 1:2 and the Noahic flood are not the same .... both true, but not the same [1000 years apart]

The deluge of the great deep had a much different effect destroying all life forms and this caused the need for the Lord's reconditioning acts to set an inhabitable earth which would support new life forms including the human made in His image

None of these things were necessary after the flood of Noah's day

The point made to the scoffers is that the Lord does make judgment upon His creation and that there is another one coming of which the scoffers willfully deny

Gen. 1:2 does not speak of a deluge. The concept is nowhere in the text. It's from the imaginations of theologians that were trying to reconcile millions of years with the Bible.

The waters of Genesis 1 were the building blocks of not only the oceans that God mad on day 3, but the land also. Peter tells us the land was made from water.

Not only this, Moses states that the heavens and earth and sea and all in them, were made in 6 days. This completely wrecks the gap theory assertion that the heavens and earth existed prior for millions of years.

 

[Calminian]

....Little has been revealed about what went on before 6000 years ago by the Lord's choice

Actually, much has been revealed. The 6 day creation is the beginning. As Jesus said, "from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female." Did you hear that? From the beginning of creation. If your gap theory is true, Adam and Eve were made at the very end of the creation, which happened billions of years prior.

The sons of God shouted for joy billions of years ago [the created angels] at the beginning of creation

The creation of the foundations of the earth is referring the creation of the land on day 3. Erets in the hebrew often translated earth, literally means land. "And God called the dry land earth." Angels only need to be created prior to day 3 to have witnessed the formation of the landmasses.

If the Lord had included all that went on before Genesis 1:2 you would need a fleet of trucks to carry your Bible around

What is your textual evidence for this statement? Genesis 1:1 in the beginning, is actually referring to the 6 days that would follow. re'shyth in the hebrew is used this way often, in citing a beginning, and then going back and giving details about that beginning period. The next verse give us the detailed account of the creation of the heavens and earth.

He has given us what He wants us to know as revealed in his prophetic word ..... no more, no less

And yet you refused to believe it.

 

[sealchan]

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So then, in my estimation, the days of creation should be taken to represent
epochs of indeterminable length rather than 24-hour calendar days.

Gerald Schroeder comes up with a nice integration of the scientific and Biblical timeline in:
The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom | Gerald Schroeder

I don't require that the two systems sync, but anyone who through creative effort can weave such a tapestry/story then I think it only augments both.

For me, I don't think the creation story of seven days was meant to be taken literally. I suspect that the people (Jews) who first knew/heard this story had a seven day week and the storyteller wanted to tell a story that spoke to God's power in terms that those people could relate to. In the Bible the number seven is obviously a "sacred" number and is used when we are to understand that something that comes in phases or parts completes a whole. In plays this symbolic role in Revelations.

But, of course, God can do anything and take whatever time He sees fit. There is no intrinsic value to seven, it is just a number us Bible readers recognize as used to signify something Holy.