How old was Christ when He was crucified?

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doulos

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Luk 2:2(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
Luk 2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city
Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

A quick google search reveals that Herod died 4BC. Google search ß click Before Herod died he tried to have Christ killed. If Herod died in 4BC then Christ was born no later then 4BC and possibly earlier. So let’s see if we can use Scripture and history to find what year Christ was born.



"In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to his own town to register" (Luke 2:1-3).

All those even vaguely familiar with Luke's Christmas story have heard of Caesar Augustus and his famous decree. It was this decree that sent Mary in the ninth month of her pregnancy 80 miles south to Bethlehem, along with husband Joseph. But could such a thing have really happened? Do we have any proof from historical sources outside of the Bible that the Roman emperor ever authorized a census? Yes, we do.

"Caesar Augustus" reigned as emperor of the Roman empire from 27 B.C. to 14 A.D. (Or 727 A.U.C. to 767 A.U.C.), 41 years in all. The grandnephew of Julius Caesar (100- 44 B.C.), his real name was Gaius Octavius and he lived from 63 B.C. to 14 A.D. Because Julius Caesar had legally adopted Octavius as his son, Octavius took the name "Caesar" from Julius, which in later years became a name almost equivalent to "emperor." "Augustus" is a Latin term that means "worthy of reverence."

Caesar Augustus's reign was marked by peace and security - the famous Pax Romana - as well as by lavish building projects throughout the empire. In addition, according to Paul Maier, Augustus had such an intense interest in religion within his realm that, if not for his other great achievements, he might have gone down in history as a religious reformer. In his day, belief in the traditional Greco-Roman pantheon had decreased dramatically as philosophical skepticism grew and a growing number joined the foreign mystery religions. Augustus was convinced that belief in the old gods had made Rome great so he set out to encourage his subjects to return to the worship of these gods. He restored eighty-two temples in Rome alone! He became the pontifex maximus (highest priest) in the state cult.1


What exactly was it that Caesar Augustus decreed, according to Luke 2:1? The King James Version of the Bible says, "that all the world should be taxed." Most other translations say something like "that all the world should be registered" (NRS) or "that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world" (NIV). The Greek verb is apographo, which literally means to "enroll" or "register" as in an official listing of citizens.2 What was it then, a census or a taxing? Both: It would have been a census taken in part for the purpose of assessing taxes. But only in part. Augustus was very interested in the number of citizens in his empire; he was especially interested in whether that number was growing. This probably was the primary reason for the census (see below).

But what of the census that Luke 2:1 speaks of? Is there any record outside of the Bible that Augustus ever issued such a decree? Yes. As a matter of fact he authorized three censuses during this reign. How do we know this? The three censuses are listed in the Acts of Augustus, a list of what Augustus thought were the 35 greatest achievements of his reign. He was so proud of the censuses that he ranked them eighth on the list. The Acts of Augustus were placed on two bronze plaques outside of Augustus's mausoleum after he died.

The three empire-wide censuses were in 28 B.C., 8 B.C., and 14 A.D. In all probability the one in 8 B.C. is the one the Luke mentions in the Christmas story. Even though scholarship normally dates Christ's birth between 4 and 7 B.C., the 8 B.C. census fits because in all likelihood it would have taken several years for the bureaucracy of the census to reach Palestine.

The only apparent difficulty with identifying the census that Luke mentions in the Christmas story with the one in 8 B.C. is, ironically, something Luke seemingly included to clarify the dating. He tells us in 2:2 that "this was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governing Syria." Seems simple. All we have to do is find out exactly when Quirinius was governing Syria and then we will know exactly when the census was given, right? Right. But the problem is, according to records available to us, Quirinius was governor of Syria in 6-7 A.D. -- eleven years too late!

We know this because ancient historians have quite a bit to say about our man Quirinius. Roman historians Tacitus, Seutonius, and Dio Cassius, as well as Jewish historian Josephus all wrote of him.3 His full name was Publius Sulpicius Quirinius (d. 21 A.D.), who was what the Romans called a "new man." This means that he came to hold his political office on the basis of his own merits rather than by family tradition and inheritance. It was through his military conquests in Cilicia and elsewhere that Quirinius had been exalted by the emperor to the holding of governor in Syria in 6-7 A.D.

Does this mean that Luke is in error? Not at all, especially when he shows himself to be such a careful historian throughout both his Gospel and the Acts of the Apostles, his other historical work. Besides, we believe Luke's Gospel to be inspired by the Holy Spirit!

The key to solving this alleged puzzle, is in the phrase "first census" in the sentence, "This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governing Syria." What does Luke mean by a first census? One theory offered is that the Greek word for "first" (prote) is sometimes translated "prior to" or "before." This is a viable solution because the Greek text of Luke 2:2 can indeed be translated, "This census was before Quirinius was governing Syria."

A second theory holds that by saying "first census" Luke is telling his readers that there was another census that Quirinius oversaw. Was there a second one? Yes, and Luke mentions it in the Acts 5:37! The second census mentioned in Acts would have taken place in 6 A.D. Since it is well known that the Romans often held provincial censuses every fourteen years, it would follow that the "first census," the one at the time of Christ's birth, would have been held in approximately 8 B.C. -- if the fourteen year census cycle was in place at this time. The problem with this second solution is that Luke is specifically saying that the first census (the 8 B.C. one) took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria; and from all available extrabiblical sources, he wasn't. According to E.M. Blaiklock, however, evidence has been found that shows that Quirinius was in Syria for an earlier tour of duty, right around the time that Christ was born. He wasn't there as governor but in some other leadership capacity.4 Therefore, it is possible that Luke is alluding to this in 2:2.

Of the two theories the first has more to commend it, in my opinion. Ultimately, however, Luke was much closer to the historical sources and claims to have "investigated everything carefully" (Luke 1:3) and he did this under the Holy Spirit's inspiration. The bottom line is that the evidence that we have points to 8 B.C. as the date when the "Christmas census" would have been authorized." Caesar Augustus, Quirinius , and the Census ß click

Ok so now we have narrowed the birth of Christ to 8BC. Can we put a year to the crucifixion. Sure we can, once again Scripture and history can give us the year.

Dan 9:25- 26 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The only one of the four decrees that ordered the rebuilding of Jerusalem that included rebuilding the wall (as required by Daniel’s prophecy) is the one issued by Artaxerxes in 444/445BC (seeNeh2). There are 483 days in 69 weeks (7x69=483). But Christ was not killed (cut off) 483 literal days after the restoration order so these days can not be literal days. Could they be years? Let’s have a look and see if it works. Let’s start at 444BC and proceed 483 years into the future and we come to 39AD. Nope doesn’t look like a fit, but wait a minute wasn’t a year to Daniel 360 days? Isn’t our calendar based on 365 ¼ days per year? So if Daniels years are 360 days and our calendar is based on 365 ¼ days we must convert Daniel’s years to fit our calendar. We could figure out how many days are in 483 of Daniels years and then divide that number by 365 ¼ to find out how many of Daniels year fit our calendar or we could make it simple by multiplying 483 x .9857 (coversion factor) to see how many of our calendars years they equal. 483 x .9857 = 476.09 which when rounded to whole years would be 476, so lets see how that fits. So let’s try again starting at 444BC and proceeding 476 years into the future takes us to 32AD. Bingo we have a fit!

8BC to 32AD is 40 years, therefore Christ was 40 years old (give or take a few months) at the time of the crucifixion.
 
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annointedshepherd

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He was thirty three years old
back in those days a Jewish. Rabbi was called rabbi at thirty years old
so He was thirty when He started His Ministry and then at 3 years which Matthew mark and Luke only show one years of ministry
the last year we see this with the Passover they only show one pPassover
And in the book of John He records Three years of ministry :)
 
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adeg1987

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40 years old?
 

crossnote

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Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8:58)
 
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wdeaton65

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Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8:58)
That is good one crossnote to funny. Life on earth 30 years. The masons like 33 big number for those guys
 

crossnote

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That is good one crossnote to funny. Life on earth 30 years. The masons like 33 big number for those guys
yeah, some people just don't get the big picture.
 
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Luk 2:2(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
Luk 2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city
Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

A quick google search reveals that Herod died 4BC. Google search ß click Before Herod died he tried to have Christ killed. If Herod died in 4BC then Christ was born no later then 4BC and possibly earlier. So let’s see if we can use Scripture and history to find what year Christ was born.



"In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to his own town to register" (Luke 2:1-3).

All those even vaguely familiar with Luke's Christmas story have heard of Caesar Augustus and his famous decree. It was this decree that sent Mary in the ninth month of her pregnancy 80 miles south to Bethlehem, along with husband Joseph. But could such a thing have really happened? Do we have any proof from historical sources outside of the Bible that the Roman emperor ever authorized a census? Yes, we do.

"Caesar Augustus" reigned as emperor of the Roman empire from 27 B.C. to 14 A.D. (Or 727 A.U.C. to 767 A.U.C.), 41 years in all. The grandnephew of Julius Caesar (100- 44 B.C.), his real name was Gaius Octavius and he lived from 63 B.C. to 14 A.D. Because Julius Caesar had legally adopted Octavius as his son, Octavius took the name "Caesar" from Julius, which in later years became a name almost equivalent to "emperor." "Augustus" is a Latin term that means "worthy of reverence."

Caesar Augustus's reign was marked by peace and security - the famous Pax Romana - as well as by lavish building projects throughout the empire. In addition, according to Paul Maier, Augustus had such an intense interest in religion within his realm that, if not for his other great achievements, he might have gone down in history as a religious reformer. In his day, belief in the traditional Greco-Roman pantheon had decreased dramatically as philosophical skepticism grew and a growing number joined the foreign mystery religions. Augustus was convinced that belief in the old gods had made Rome great so he set out to encourage his subjects to return to the worship of these gods. He restored eighty-two temples in Rome alone! He became the pontifex maximus (highest priest) in the state cult.1


What exactly was it that Caesar Augustus decreed, according to Luke 2:1? The King James Version of the Bible says, "that all the world should be taxed." Most other translations say something like "that all the world should be registered" (NRS) or "that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world" (NIV). The Greek verb is apographo, which literally means to "enroll" or "register" as in an official listing of citizens.2 What was it then, a census or a taxing? Both: It would have been a census taken in part for the purpose of assessing taxes. But only in part. Augustus was very interested in the number of citizens in his empire; he was especially interested in whether that number was growing. This probably was the primary reason for the census (see below).

But what of the census that Luke 2:1 speaks of? Is there any record outside of the Bible that Augustus ever issued such a decree? Yes. As a matter of fact he authorized three censuses during this reign. How do we know this? The three censuses are listed in the Acts of Augustus, a list of what Augustus thought were the 35 greatest achievements of his reign. He was so proud of the censuses that he ranked them eighth on the list. The Acts of Augustus were placed on two bronze plaques outside of Augustus's mausoleum after he died.

The three empire-wide censuses were in 28 B.C., 8 B.C., and 14 A.D. In all probability the one in 8 B.C. is the one the Luke mentions in the Christmas story. Even though scholarship normally dates Christ's birth between 4 and 7 B.C., the 8 B.C. census fits because in all likelihood it would have taken several years for the bureaucracy of the census to reach Palestine.

The only apparent difficulty with identifying the census that Luke mentions in the Christmas story with the one in 8 B.C. is, ironically, something Luke seemingly included to clarify the dating. He tells us in 2:2 that "this was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governing Syria." Seems simple. All we have to do is find out exactly when Quirinius was governing Syria and then we will know exactly when the census was given, right? Right. But the problem is, according to records available to us, Quirinius was governor of Syria in 6-7 A.D. -- eleven years too late!

We know this because ancient historians have quite a bit to say about our man Quirinius. Roman historians Tacitus, Seutonius, and Dio Cassius, as well as Jewish historian Josephus all wrote of him.3 His full name was Publius Sulpicius Quirinius (d. 21 A.D.), who was what the Romans called a "new man." This means that he came to hold his political office on the basis of his own merits rather than by family tradition and inheritance. It was through his military conquests in Cilicia and elsewhere that Quirinius had been exalted by the emperor to the holding of governor in Syria in 6-7 A.D.

Does this mean that Luke is in error? Not at all, especially when he shows himself to be such a careful historian throughout both his Gospel and the Acts of the Apostles, his other historical work. Besides, we believe Luke's Gospel to be inspired by the Holy Spirit!

The key to solving this alleged puzzle, is in the phrase "first census" in the sentence, "This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governing Syria." What does Luke mean by a first census? One theory offered is that the Greek word for "first" (prote) is sometimes translated "prior to" or "before." This is a viable solution because the Greek text of Luke 2:2 can indeed be translated, "This census was before Quirinius was governing Syria."

A second theory holds that by saying "first census" Luke is telling his readers that there was another census that Quirinius oversaw. Was there a second one? Yes, and Luke mentions it in the Acts 5:37! The second census mentioned in Acts would have taken place in 6 A.D. Since it is well known that the Romans often held provincial censuses every fourteen years, it would follow that the "first census," the one at the time of Christ's birth, would have been held in approximately 8 B.C. -- if the fourteen year census cycle was in place at this time. The problem with this second solution is that Luke is specifically saying that the first census (the 8 B.C. one) took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria; and from all available extrabiblical sources, he wasn't. According to E.M. Blaiklock, however, evidence has been found that shows that Quirinius was in Syria for an earlier tour of duty, right around the time that Christ was born. He wasn't there as governor but in some other leadership capacity.4 Therefore, it is possible that Luke is alluding to this in 2:2.

Of the two theories the first has more to commend it, in my opinion. Ultimately, however, Luke was much closer to the historical sources and claims to have "investigated everything carefully" (Luke 1:3) and he did this under the Holy Spirit's inspiration. The bottom line is that the evidence that we have points to 8 B.C. as the date when the "Christmas census" would have been authorized." Caesar Augustus, Quirinius , and the Census ß click

Ok so now we have narrowed the birth of Christ to 8BC. Can we put a year to the crucifixion. Sure we can, once again Scripture and history can give us the year.

Dan 9:25- 26 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The only one of the four decrees that ordered the rebuilding of Jerusalem that included rebuilding the wall (as required by Daniel’s prophecy) is the one issued by Artaxerxes in 444/445BC (seeNeh2). There are 483 days in 69 weeks (7x69=483). But Christ was not killed (cut off) 483 literal days after the restoration order so these days can not be literal days. Could they be years? Let’s have a look and see if it works. Let’s start at 444BC and proceed 483 years into the future and we come to 39AD. Nope doesn’t look like a fit, but wait a minute wasn’t a year to Daniel 360 days? Isn’t our calendar based on 365 ¼ days per year? So if Daniels years are 360 days and our calendar is based on 365 ¼ days we must convert Daniel’s years to fit our calendar. We could figure out how many days are in 483 of Daniels years and then divide that number by 365 ¼ to find out how many of Daniels year fit our calendar or we could make it simple by multiplying 483 x .9857 (coversion factor) to see how many of our calendars years they equal. 483 x .9857 = 476.09 which when rounded to whole years would be 476, so lets see how that fits. So let’s try again starting at 444BC and proceeding 476 years into the future takes us to 32AD. Bingo we have a fit!

8BC to 32AD is 40 years, therefore Christ was 40 years old (give or take a few months) at the time of the crucifixion.
Surprising to see people believe he was younger after you have shown both scripturally and historically he was older than what they have been taught.
He was thirty three years old
back in those days a Jewish. Rabbi was called rabbi at thirty years old
so He was thirty when He started His Ministry
33 and 1/2 no doubt in my mind
I use to think the same thing till a little research proved my thinking wrong. Thanks for posting this doulos.

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He was 33 1/2 years old.
 
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There are so many things about the time line of Christ and how His life in the flesh affected us, I should think the length of the time here in our years would be the least of what we need to understand. Christ was at creation, and Christ was part of the atonement given in the sacrificial system. How could that be, is one question. Christ changed our world by being here in the flesh, what does He want us to know about just how He changed it? Christ made some things obsolete by living here, just exactly what was it. Now, THAT is a biggy. Some say He wiped out an entire God system, some it was mostly wiping out using animal blood. But I can't see how the amount of years Christ was here is worth the space talking about.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Infinitely old. Jesus is God. Existed through eternity, was there in the beginning. :p
 
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doulos

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He was thirty three years old
back in those days a Jewish. Rabbi was called rabbi at thirty years old
so He was thirty when He started His Ministry and then at 3 years which Matthew mark and Luke only show one years of ministry
the last year we see this with the Passover they only show one pPassover
And in the book of John He records Three years of ministry
For starters we don’t know for sure if Jesus started His ministry immediately after being baptized. We also don’t know if the three Passovers described in the gospel were three consecutive Passovers. There could have been others that weren’t recorded, after all not all of the gospels even mention the three, so others may not be recorded if God did not inspire the writers to write about them.. Even if they were consecutive, it still would not prove His ministry lasted three and a half years, afterall from the date of the first Passover to the date of the third would only be two years. Let me provide a quick example demonstrating that an event that occurs annually is only separated by two year from the first to third occurrence. Jan 1 is New years day, an annual occurrence (like Passover). So let’s look at three consecutive New years days from three consecutive years (Jan 1 2000 to Jan 1 2002) and see if they are separated by three years or just 2. Jan1, 2000 was new years day the second occurrence would be Jan 1, 2001 and the third would be Jan 1, 2002. As we can all see there is only 2 years not three from Jan 1,2000 until Jan 1, 2002. This same principle would apply to Passovers during Christ’s time here on earth. So at best your method is nothing more then unprovable guess work, assumption built upon assumption. If even one assumption is in error then the whole house of cards tumbles down. Wouldn’t we be better served to base our beliefs on what Scripture actually says and history proves?
 
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doulos

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But I can't see how the amount of years Christ was here is worth the space talking about.
don't care not a big deal

Sure its important lets have a look at just one of the reasons why it is important.
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Traditional doctrines teach Christ was 33 when crucified, but is that what God’s word really tells us or is that making the word of God of none effect? If we can prove from Scripture and history that Christ was 40 when he was crucified then wouldn’t the traditional teaching be making the word of God of none effect, because people ignore what the word tells us in favor of tradition?

If we can prove that just one of the things traditionally taught is in error then shouldn’t we examine all the traditionally taught doctrines in light of Scripture to verify they align with Scripture? And when we find traditionally taught doctrines that don’t align with Scripture, shouldn’t we then set that teaching aside and search for the truth?

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

Are we doing as 2Tim2:15 tells us when we blindly follow traditionally taught doctrines with out verifying if they are Scriptural? I don’t think so!
 
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Tintin

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On earth? Roughly 33 and a half years old, as others have already mentioned.
 
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doulos

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On earth? Roughly 33 and a half years old, as others have already mentioned.
As the original post shows 33 1/2 is incorrect. Isn't it time to examine what has been traditionally taught to see if it is correct?
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye
 
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Tintin

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Honestly, Jesus earthly age has no bearing. It doesn't matter. It may be interesting to you but to use that verse to highlight very minor points, is disingenuous. But yes, I also study some of the things in the Bible that are of lesser importance.
 

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All those herod's....

The error will only be with our understanding.
 
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wdeaton65

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1christianwarrior316 I just did the math so Yeshua started at 30 and ended at 33 1/2 Daniel says 70 weeks 490 days.
The math you suggest is 365x3.5 = 1277.5 divided by 7 = 182.5 weeks. How do you fit this to Daniel 9;24 The math doesnt work. How do we get by that with a 33 year old Yeshua?
 
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doulos

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Honestly, Jesus earthly age has no bearing. It doesn't matter. It may be interesting to you but to use that verse to highlight very minor points, is disingenuous. But yes, I also study some of the things in the Bible that are of lesser importance.
Nothing disingenuous about it. The truth is important, His earthly age at the time of the crucifixion is important because it shows that some of the things traditionally taught are in error.


Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye

So do you think it is ok to follow traditionally taught error? Wouldn't that be doing exactly what Christ warned against in Mark7:13? Would that be doing as the following verse instructs?

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.