How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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"the Bible does not give us instruction to the Church to face and go thru Tribulation"
He should have include the article "the" before "Tribulation". There is a big difference between "In this world you will have much tribulation" and "You will go through The Tribulation, which is actually for the Jews". Christians are subject to trials and tribulation (like Job) but The Tribulation is a time of divine judgment and testing, which even allows for Satan's wrath against the Jews. It is called "the time of Jacob's trouble".
 
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Does this mean you are judging him?

PS I don't even know who John McArthur is but it does irritate me when christians use that line to judge one another.
When someone of John McArthurs position in the Church speaks an outright lie against the words of Christ - shame on everyone who knows this man for not speaking out to him about it.

Martin Luther did not sit silent when the holy Spirit revealed to him the error of the Pope/Vatican false doctrines.

Now is the time for REVIVAL - it only comes by speaking TRUTH - religion is DEAD and God hates it.

Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one. While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.
 
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He should have include the article "the" before "Tribulation". There is a big difference between "In this world you will have much tribulation" and "You will go through The Tribulation, which is actually for the Jews". Christians are subject to trials and tribulation (like Job) but The Tribulation is a time of divine judgment and testing, which even allows for Satan's wrath against the Jews. It is called "the time of Jacob's trouble".
Hi Brother, how are you doing - hope all is well.

I am so happy that you mentioned Job. Do you know Job was a Prophet of God?

The sufferings of Job is the Prophetic Word for the Church unto the Lord's Second Coming.

Come now, you who are rich, weep and wail over the misery to come upon you. 2Your riches have rotted and moths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and consume your flesh like fire.

You have hoarded treasure in the last days. 4Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts.

5You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in the day of slaughter. 6You have condemned and murdered the righteous, who did not resist you.

Patience in Suffering
(Job 1:1–5)

7Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer awaits the precious fruit of the soil—how patient he is for the fall and spring rains.a 8You, too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near. 9Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged. Look, the Judge is standing at the door!

10Brothers, as an example of patience in affliction, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 11See how blessed we consider those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen the outcome from the Lord. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

12Above all, my brothers, do not swear, not by heaven or earth or by any other oath. Simply let your “Yes” be yes, and your “No,” no, so that you will not fall under judgment.

The Prayer of Faith

13Is any one of you suffering? He should pray. Is anyone cheerful? He should sing praises. 14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. The Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.

16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail. 17Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years. 18Again he prayed, and the heavens gave rain, and the earth yielded its crops.

Restoring a Sinner

19My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, 20consider this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
 

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That's ok. We will keep trying to crack that :poop:(walnut) between your ears.:giggle::coffee:



Revelation
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
you see then that are 1,000 years between the rap and the resurrection unto judgement [Great White Throne or Sheeps and Goats]
 

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Jesus returns to gather His elect. That's exactly how the rapture is described in every camp whether pre, mid, or post trib.

In other rapture verses Jesus comes back to gather His elect. What makes the post-trib rapture sure and scriptural is Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 say this literally happens after the tribulation that was described in the preceding verses.

Mark 13:24-27
24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
correctimundo
 

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Yes, Amen.

Yes and Amen. But that "After" does not imply 7 years. It's like me following you into town. It is only then that the 7-year countdown begins. We will come back DOWN with Him after being in Heaven with Him for 7 years. Read through it with this in mind and you will see that all the pieces fit perfectly. It is the only way anything fits at all.

The things that follow the Trib and Antichrist are the Second Coming when we return with Him to reign with Him 1000 years, and then the GWT Judgement of the damned (second resurrection).

Definitely not.
correctimundo my dear Oyster
 

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1 Thess 4:13-18 states the LORD's Second Coming is the First Resurrection and takes place BEFORE the rapture.

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death,c so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Dear David the first resurrection is the rap
 
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Very true, they shall become converted after the Trib begins. Many shall be traditional Jews. Most shall be beheaded. John M proposed these may repopulate the Earth for 1000 years.
Brother, what you said is a false gospel.

There is no pre-trib rapture where Christ comes and leaves behind the Saints.

God knows all who be saved unto His Second Coming - have you never read Romans 8 , 1 Peter and Ephesians

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world
 

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John McArthur is a liar in this video and stay far away from this deceiver.

Lie #1.) McArthur : "the Bible does not give us instruction to the Church to face and go thru Tribulation"

JESUS: I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!”
While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.
Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

John McArthur is a liar - you can go tell him to come on here and face his error.
well Mac is just mistaken ... the reason he is mistaken is because he is Amillennial.
 
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Does this mean you are judging him?

PS I don't even know who John McArthur is but it does irritate me when christians use that line to judge one another.
i agree with you. please read my posts carefully as to why i said this about McArthur - it is not the first time he has lied an dtwisted scripture just a satan in the Garden.

ALSO - he is without excuse because of his time in the scriptures - which begs the question - false prophet???
 
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Very true, they shall become converted after the Trib begins. Many shall be traditional Jews. Most shall be beheaded. John M proposed these may repopulate the Earth for 1000 years.
Brother please read carefully Revelation chapter 20 - the Lord is very specific
 

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When someone of John McArthurs position in the Church speaks an outright lie against the words of Christ - shame on everyone who knows this man for not speaking out to him about it.

Martin Luther did not sit silent when the holy Spirit revealed to him the error of the Pope/Vatican false doctrines.

Now is the time for REVIVAL - it only comes by speaking TRUTH - religion is DEAD and God hates it.

Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one. While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.
but Martin hated the Jews ...we all make mistakes, even great men.
 
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but Martin hated the Jews ...we all make mistakes, even great men.
we all, (myself) make mistakes - yes - agree

And so we must even the more so, bow our knees before Christ and His words and the writings of His Holy Apostles.

Who are we to dare think we know better then our Lord and the Apostles???

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. - Proverbs 30:5-6

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19

Has everyone lost their fear of God and their minds???
 

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but The Tribulation is a time of divine judgment and testing, which even allows for Satan's wrath against the Jews.
That's not what the bible tells us:

Prophecy that Christian saints would be killed during the Great Tribulation:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Satan's wrath and him starting the Great Tribulation which targets Christians:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath , because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them : and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God , and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years .


The GT is not against Jews ie: in Judaism.