Something can be mentioned 6 times in one book and not in other books of the bible. Doesn't make it any less true. Jesus did teach it, to John. The truth about the Greek word and it's meaning makes it literal with no option of being figurative. For figurative you have to turn to Hebrew which isn't the language Revelation 20 was written in.
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Something can be mentioned 6 times in one book and not in other books of the bible. Doesn't make it any less true. Jesus did teach it, to John. The truth about the Greek word and it's meaning makes it literal with no option of being figurative. For figurative you have to turn to Hebrew which isn't the language Revelation 20 was written in.
I'm sorry ewq, but you are quite wrong--Jesus talked about the end times and so did the apostles and the prophets--this argument doesn't hold water. Based on the rest of end times prophecy it is clearly figurative--the verses are irrefutable--millennial reign is a false and dangerous doctrine.
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When the Holy Spirit repeats the same term six times in seven verses and clearly as literal statements, who is anyone -- including you -- to say they are not to be taken literally?
REVELATION 20: THE MILLENNIUM IN REVELATION
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him [1] a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till [2] the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ [3] a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until [4] the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him [5] a thousand years.
7 And when [6] the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Why would God repeat "[a]the thousand years" (χίλια ἔτη, chilia ete) six times within seven verses if it was not a critical and essential part of God's plan? So who will dare to deny that this is God's Word? It would have been quite enough had God given us only one mention of a thousand years (which is a Millennium). But it was repeated six times to refute the naysayers.
REVELATION 20: THE MILLENNIUM IN REVELATION
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him [1] a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till [2] the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ [3] a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until [4] the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him [5] a thousand years.
7 And when [6] the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Why would God repeat "[a]the thousand years" (χίλια ἔτη, chilia ete) six times within seven verses if it was not a critical and essential part of God's plan? So who will dare to deny that this is God's Word? It would have been quite enough had God given us only one mention of a thousand years (which is a Millennium). But it was repeated six times to refute the naysayers.
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HI Itheophilus,
I don't take those verses literally and neither do a great many other believers, theologians and apologists. and I came to my conclusion simply by looking up millennial reign---I had never heard of it until a couple of years ago--it was never taught in any church I ever attended. Afterwards, I researched what other had written about it. John told us it was a vision and that the things he saw 'signified' other things. the angel explained much of what we needed to understand and other parts can be found elsewhere in the bible. As I've said in my previous post Jesus is reigning now and there are numerous verses stating as such--Satan is figuratively bound because Christ defeated sin and death at the cross, assuring Satan's ultimate destruction at the end of the age. Satan is bound the same number 1000 as Christ's symbolic reign--which symbolizes a large number as well as completion.
Blessings to you,
Laura
I don't take those verses literally and neither do a great many other believers, theologians and apologists. and I came to my conclusion simply by looking up millennial reign---I had never heard of it until a couple of years ago--it was never taught in any church I ever attended. Afterwards, I researched what other had written about it. John told us it was a vision and that the things he saw 'signified' other things. the angel explained much of what we needed to understand and other parts can be found elsewhere in the bible. As I've said in my previous post Jesus is reigning now and there are numerous verses stating as such--Satan is figuratively bound because Christ defeated sin and death at the cross, assuring Satan's ultimate destruction at the end of the age. Satan is bound the same number 1000 as Christ's symbolic reign--which symbolizes a large number as well as completion.
Blessings to you,
Laura
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It isn't that it isn't critical--it symbolizes a greater spiritual meaning of completion--God has set a time for all these things to happen.
No one has said it wasn't critical--I have said it is not LITERAL. If you look up 1000 in scripture it is nearly always figurative--'cattle on a thousand hills' --' one day is as a thousand in your sight'--there are many more!
No one has said it wasn't critical--I have said it is not LITERAL. If you look up 1000 in scripture it is nearly always figurative--'cattle on a thousand hills' --' one day is as a thousand in your sight'--there are many more!
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Dear Laura,
We can fully know it is literal if you go over Rev ch20 by examining what is being said.
Look at the very opening paragraph for it shows us that chapter 20 is literal.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
1.) Literal Angel
2.) Notice how the clarity of taking the symbolic Dragon and declaring that it is the Literal Devil and Satan.
3.) Literal binding of Satan
4.) Literal Time Period = 1,000 Years
5.) Literal Place = Bottomless Pit
6.) Literal Seal over Satan's mouth so that he cannot Literally DECEIVE the Literal Nations
7.) Literal Expiration Date for the Literal 1,000 Years
Next we see the LITERAL Resurrection of the LITERAL Beheaded Dead Saints from a LITERAL PERSECUTION
PEACE
We can fully know it is literal if you go over Rev ch20 by examining what is being said.
Look at the very opening paragraph for it shows us that chapter 20 is literal.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
1.) Literal Angel
2.) Notice how the clarity of taking the symbolic Dragon and declaring that it is the Literal Devil and Satan.
3.) Literal binding of Satan
4.) Literal Time Period = 1,000 Years
5.) Literal Place = Bottomless Pit
6.) Literal Seal over Satan's mouth so that he cannot Literally DECEIVE the Literal Nations
7.) Literal Expiration Date for the Literal 1,000 Years
Next we see the LITERAL Resurrection of the LITERAL Beheaded Dead Saints from a LITERAL PERSECUTION
PEACE
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Definition of propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
Saying something is false is in no way biased as I am adding nothing to the scriptures--I believe Jesus' words and the rest of the bible that clearly and plainly says the end comes immediately after His return--I will say emphatically it is a false and dangerous doctrine. Your simply stating it isn't the truth, doesn't make your statement true in the least.
"4 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." 2 Timothy 4:1-4
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."--Matthew 24
I know that you are 'putting on' (eisegesis) what you have been taught--no one having studied the scriptures on their own could come to the conclusions that you and other have come to here. Those who propagate this false doctrine will be held to a greater accountability.The apostles warned of us false teaching and how it had already infiltrated the church in the first century.
"Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them."--Acts 20:30
Not only does it deny Christ's current reign--it is problematic on so many levels. Also it has become political:
The dangerous role of politic in millennial movements: http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222019000300046
Conclusion
Millennialism could easily create the impression that it is first and foremost about a religious topos about end times that is of concern to individuals and marginal groups. It may seem a harmless topos, as it intends to succour those who live in difficult times. And yet, history shows that millennialism also had a darker side. Its agonistic mindset also created anxiety about being surrounded by malicious, conniving evildoers who wish to eliminate the forces of good. This anxiety has the potential to promote vengeance when people want to claim agency in and make true the promised destruction of evildoers by terrible plagues, killings and holocaust of fire. Their mechanical, deterministic understanding of the end could all too easily rationalise suffering of people as divine judgement for past sin. In contemporary times (Lukas 1986):
[T]he Book of Revelation has served less to comfort the afflicted than to buttress the self-righteous. For it appeals to those who divide the world between absolute good and absolute evil, between the followers of the Lord and the followers of Satan. For such people, nuclear war may appear to be the Armageddon that the Book of Revelation promised and Rapture the device by which they will be saved while all others are eternally damned … And this, in turn, promotes a kind of apocalyptic fatalism. (s.p.)
In a world divided between good and evil, 'accommodation or negotiation with the enemy becomes unthinkable … peace is humanly impossible, and war inevitable' (Lukas 1986).21 Such are some of the dangerous consequences of millennialism.-
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Now I have heard it all....
Here are the definitions since you don't seem to know the difference. I guess you'd say a cat and a dog are the same as well as shirt and a pair of pants?
Critical: expressing adverse or disapproving comments or judgments.
Literal: taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory.
The difference between literal and figurative language: Literal language is used to mean exactly what is written. ... Figurative language is used to mean something other than what is written, something symbolic, suggested, or implied. For example: It was raining cats and dogs, so I rode the bus.
Here are the definitions since you don't seem to know the difference. I guess you'd say a cat and a dog are the same as well as shirt and a pair of pants?
Critical: expressing adverse or disapproving comments or judgments.
Literal: taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory.
The difference between literal and figurative language: Literal language is used to mean exactly what is written. ... Figurative language is used to mean something other than what is written, something symbolic, suggested, or implied. For example: It was raining cats and dogs, so I rode the bus.
David, you are adding the word LITERAL to the text--it is nowhere stated and you simply adding the word does in know way change the meaning that Christ intended--symbols are representative of something else unless the angel tells us what the thing is representative of, then we take it as a symbol. The dragon is not the literal thing--the literal thing is Satan--the many headed beast is NOT a literal beast it represents kings, the many waters are not literal waters, but many people--and so forth.
I am dumbstruck that so many can believe and articulate truths of scripture and then not be able to discern between the figurative and the literal --even though you all KNOW that John is seeing a fantastical symbolic vision in which the things he sees SIGNIFY something else.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,"--Revelation 1:1
I am dumbstruck that so many can believe and articulate truths of scripture and then not be able to discern between the figurative and the literal --even though you all KNOW that John is seeing a fantastical symbolic vision in which the things he sees SIGNIFY something else.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,"--Revelation 1:1
HI Peldom
My position is the 1000 years is symbolic ofChrist's current reign since He came to the earth preached the gospel and died for all mankind--defeating death, sin and Satan for all time--He sits now at the right hand of the father--he reigns in the hearts of believers--and in that way His kingdom has indeed come--it is and always will be a spiritual kingdom, not an earthly one as He said, "My kingdom is not of this world."
Blessings,
Laura
My position is the 1000 years is symbolic ofChrist's current reign since He came to the earth preached the gospel and died for all mankind--defeating death, sin and Satan for all time--He sits now at the right hand of the father--he reigns in the hearts of believers--and in that way His kingdom has indeed come--it is and always will be a spiritual kingdom, not an earthly one as He said, "My kingdom is not of this world."
Blessings,
Laura
Are you serious? So unless the Bible says "take this as literal" you will play fast and loose with Scripture?
Any serious and sane person will immediately understand that there is absolutely NOTHING in Revelation 20 which can be interpreted as figurative. We know that Death and Hades are personified, but other than that Revelation 20 is a solemn, serious, literal narrative of events which occur after the Second Coming of Christ.
Any serious and sane person will immediately understand that there is absolutely NOTHING in Revelation 20 which can be interpreted as figurative. We know that Death and Hades are personified, but other than that Revelation 20 is a solemn, serious, literal narrative of events which occur after the Second Coming of Christ.