How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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cv5

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We all do that. Drat the 5-min rule!
We have enough arguing, I don't like to pick on people over trivialities like typos.:geek:
OOOppps it is 3:10. Had it memorized. I probably used the microphone to type.
 

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You just added to God's word what it did not say - you said so, but not God. This is where pre-trib and every error comes from.

Right now, we who are Sanctified in His Blood are seated in Christ at the Right Hand of the Father - NOW = TODAY.

TODAY we are kings and priests of Him who called us out of darkness and placed us in the Kingdom of the Love of His Son.
LOL....that is exactly the point of my post! Same group, same status, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN TIME AND SPACE.

The Church is no longer on the earth....they now abide in the Heavenly realm.....BEFORE the Tribulation begins.
 
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If you truly love the Truth,
If you hold to pre-trib error then you are a pre-tribber

Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30: 5-6

Please don't think using the word of God to attack those you disagree with is something I am not familiar with.

That is what you did.
??? what did i say here that is wrong? God says "do not add to his words, if we do He will rebuke us as a liar"
Do you want that?

Can you see that God is reaching out to you and all of us here? = Do not add to His Words

Do you not realize that 'adding to and taking away from Scripture is sin?

Christians, in today's world, have been led down a path of opinions - and treat God's Word as = anything goes based on how they see it.
 

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i am open - i have been saved and studying God's Word from the Day i was Born Again = 37 years and counting.

i am fully versed in pre-trib and the Scripture has proven it to be a lie - this is why i posted the Truth Challenge.

i am financially poor - to me the amount of the $1,000 Reward is equivalent to most people as $10K or even $100K.

I stand on my word - prove pre-trib from Scripture alone and you will receive from me $1,000 and my greatfulness to you for Truth.

$1,000 (US dollars) to the first person that can show the scripture(s) that clearly state: The Bride of Christ/His Elect/the Church is pre-tribulation raptured before the First Resurrection and before the Antichrist. The Bride of Christ/His Elect/the Church as a whole Body of Believers.

*** IMPORTANT - Individual believers/resurrections/raptures such as Enoch, Elijah, Lazarrus, John and the Saints from Matthew 27:51-53 (which is the fulfillment of Isaiah 26:19) = DO NOT QUALIFY.

Rules have been set forth by the Moderator = our Lord Jesus Christ

Rules Apply: ONLY Scripture: No Conjecture - No Commentaries - No personal belief statements

Rules for Disqualification: Seeking to Argue/Arguments - Adding to or taking away from God's Word - Personal Belief Statements - Conjecture

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

Proverbs 30: 5-6 "Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 Hear now, O Israel, the statutes and ordinances I am teaching you to follow, so that you may live and may enter and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.

EXAMPLE to Follow as Your Guide: Show Proof (Scripture) that Jesus is the ONLY way we can be saved.

ANSWER(S): John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me.
Acts 4:11-12 This Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

NO, you have not proven the Pretrib Position is a lie, and your 37 years are irrelevant, just like my credentialing in my denomination and the 40 years since my salvation. $1000 huh LOL first off the term Rapture is from a Latin translation and just like the word Trinity is not in the word of God the concept is.

I am sure you stand by YOUR word :), again you fail to read what others have said and did not address the teaching of the Church of "Sonn Coming" at any moment. There really is nothing preventing Jesus from coming at any moment is there?

Unless you know better than the Father?
 

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??? what did i say here that is wrong? God says "do not add to his words, if we do He will rebuke us as a liar"
Do you want that?

Can you see that God is reaching out to you and all of us here? = Do not add to His Words

Do you not realize that 'adding to and taking away from Scripture is sin?

Christians, in today's world, have been led down a path of opinions - and treat God's Word as = anything goes based on how they see it.
again I am not going to address it again for you. IF there was nothing wrong in your comments as you used the word of God why did you have an issue with what was said to you in the same manner? YOu cried about a red x and said those here were mocking and scoffing but the term Pretriber you know is a scoffing term which you standby. So let's just agree to disagree.
 
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LOL....that is exactly the point of my post! Same group, same status, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN TIME AND SPACE.

The Church is no longer on the earth....they now abide in the Heavenly realm.....BEFORE the Tribulation begins.
well it is certainly Good for us to laugh together - i love it.

But (lol x10) you added this opinion to His Word = "BEFORE the Tribulation begins"

Brother and Friend - He did not say that, neither can you post a Scripture that does.

Pre-trib can only be propped up by 'adding to and taking away' from Scripture.

Now, since you and i are close - i can say this to you and you will not take offense = man up to God and reject men's opinions.

Tribulation in the world began in the Garden and will build unto His Second Coming.
 
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NO, you have not proven the Pretrib Position is a lie, and your 37 years are irrelevant, just like my credentialing in my denomination and the 40 years since my salvation. $1000 huh LOL first off the term Rapture is from a Latin translation and just like the word Trinity is not in the word of God the concept is.

I am sure you stand by YOUR word :), again you fail to read what others have said and did not address the teaching of the Church of "Sonn Coming" at any moment. There really is nothing preventing Jesus from coming at any moment is there?

Unless you know better than the Father?
My 37 year of study is relevant to my Father in Heaven, to His Son who died for me and to the Holy Spirit who reveals His Truth to me.

2 Timothy 2:15 -
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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again I am not going to address it again for you. IF there was nothing wrong in your comments as you used the word of God why did you have an issue with what was said to you in the same manner? YOu cried about a red x and said those here were mocking and scoffing but the term Pretriber you know is a scoffing term which you standby. So let's just agree to disagree.
Pre-tribber is not scoffing - it gives a CLEAR understanding of sin and division in the body of Christ.

You are more focused on hate then Truth.
We are to hate falsehood and to love Truth and one another.
Why such hate?
How does an idol stand in the fellowship in Christ?

Why are you not searching for the Truth? the First Resurrection is mentioned in 1 Thess ch 4 and Revelation

There is no rapture BEFORE the First Resurrection.
 

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well it is certainly Good for us to laugh together - i love it.

But (lol x10) you added this opinion to His Word = "BEFORE the Tribulation begins"

Brother and Friend - He did not say that, neither can you post a Scripture that does.

Pre-trib can only be propped up by 'adding to and taking away' from Scripture.

Now, since you and i are close - i can say this to you and you will not take offense = man up to God and reject men's opinions.

Tribulation in the world began in the Garden and will build unto His Second Coming.

The fact of the Rapture was first revealed by Christ to His disciples in John 14:1-3. It is most clearly presented in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 which encourages living Christians that, at the Rapture, they will be reunited with those who have died in Christ before them.

In verse 17 the English phrase “caught up” (NASB) translates the Greek word harpazõ, which means “to seize upon with force” or “to snatch up.” This is the Greek word from which the English word “harpoon” is derived. The Latin translators of the Bible used the word rapere, the root of the English term rapture.

A debate swirls around when this takes place relative to the Tribulation.

At the Rapture, living believers will be “caught up” in the air, translated into the clouds, in a moment of time.

An interesting tie between the revelation of the rapture by our Lord in John 14:1-3 and Paul’s expansion in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

there are many terms to describe this event:

“translation or resurrection coming” (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:15-17) in which the Lord comes for His church, taking her to His Father’s house (John 14:3). On the other hand, Christ’s Second Advent with His saints (the Church=Rev. 19)

I have provided scripture as to why one can support the teaching of a Pretrib Rapture. There is also scripture to support a mid-trib Rapture too. Please read before you "Pop-off " and say something you will regret.

In addition, you can send your $1000 Donation to CC Chat I don't need. I am an unpaid volunteer :)
 

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My 37 year of study is relevant to my Father in Heaven, to His Son who died for me and to the Holy Spirit who reveals His Truth to me.

2 Timothy 2:15 -
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and so is mine :)
 

CS1

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My 37 year of study is relevant to my Father in Heaven, to His Son who died for me and to the Holy Spirit who reveals His Truth to me.

2 Timothy 2:15 -
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
many here do just that, you are not alone in your resume.
 
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The fact of the Rapture was first revealed by Christ to His disciples in John 14:1-3. It is most clearly presented in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 which encourages living Christians that, at the Rapture, they will be reunited with those who have died in Christ before them.

In verse 17 the English phrase “caught up” (NASB) translates the Greek word harpazõ, which means “to seize upon with force” or “to snatch up.” This is the Greek word from which the English word “harpoon” is derived. The Latin translators of the Bible used the word rapere, the root of the English term rapture.

A debate swirls around when this takes place relative to the Tribulation.

At the Rapture, living believers will be “caught up” in the air, translated into the clouds, in a moment of time.

An interesting tie between the revelation of the rapture by our Lord in John 14:1-3 and Paul’s expansion in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

there are many terms to describe this event:

“translation or resurrection coming” (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:15-17) in which the Lord comes for His church, taking her to His Father’s house (John 14:3). On the other hand, Christ’s Second Advent with His saints (the Church=Rev. 19)

I have provided scripture as to why one can support the teaching of a Pretrib Rapture. There is also scripture to support a mid-trib Rapture too. Please read before you "Pop-off " and say something you will regret.

In addition, you can send your $1000 Donation to CC Chat I don't need. I am an unpaid volunteer :)
No pre-trib rapture mentioned in John 14 - let not your heart be troubled - no rapture here, only His promise of Peace in our hearts for His Return for us - He will not leave us as orphans.
The SAME Lord JESUS said this in John chapter 17 - in the world you will have tribulation, be of good cheer (our hearts) for I have overcome the world.

Do not add to or take away from God's Word as you just did in the Gospel of John.

Fear God and not man dear brother. If you fear man you will sin against God.
 

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No pre-trib rapture mentioned in John 14 - let not your heart be troubled - no rapture here, only His promise of Peace in our hearts for His Return for us - He will not leave us as orphans.
The SAME Lord JESUS said this in John chapter 17 - in the world you will have tribulation, be of good cheer (our hearts) for I have overcome the world.

Do not add to or take away from God's Word as you just did in the Gospel of John.

Fear God and not man dear brother. If you fear man you will sin against God.
yes it is sorry you disagree :)
 

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yes it is sorry you disagree :)
I have not taken away

I provided more scripture to support the very language of John chapter 14 and Paul said something two there times. Just send that $1000 to CC Chat it will help you be more humble :) I am not right because I am saying, it is right because the word of God says it.
 
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I have not taken away

I provided more scripture to support the very language of John chapter 14 and Paul said something two there times. Just send that $1000 to CC Chat it will help you be more humble :) I am not right because I am saying, it is right because the word of God says it.
Your pride blinds you so much that you 'add to God's word and take away from it without any fear/respect.
You worship a idol called pre-trib rapture.
Neither are you willing to humble yourself before the Word so that you can see.

This is why you hate me - because i do not follow men's opinions which are popular and rampant in christianity today.
 
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I have not taken away

I provided more scripture to support the very language of John chapter 14 and Paul said something two there times. Just send that $1000 to CC Chat it will help you be more humble :) I am not right because I am saying, it is right because the word of God says it.
Where did Jesus say in John 14 that He was pre-trib rapturing His Elect?

Let your HEART be not trouble.... your HEART

JESUS says to you CV1 = "in the world you WILL HAVE TRIBULATION, be of Good Cheer for I have Overcome the world - John 17

Now i will say this to you 'by the word of the Lord' - repent from pride and adding to and taking away from His Word.
 

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well it is certainly Good for us to laugh together - i love it.

But (lol x10) you added this opinion to His Word = "BEFORE the Tribulation begins"

Brother and Friend - He did not say that, neither can you post a Scripture that does.

Pre-trib can only be propped up by 'adding to and taking away' from Scripture.

Now, since you and i are close - i can say this to you and you will not take offense = man up to God and reject men's opinions.

Tribulation in the world began in the Garden and will build unto His Second Coming.
Oh no doubt that chapter 5 follows chapter 1 in terms of advancing time. Maybe you have a problem with comparing Scripture with Scripture? Sorry but that is how it is done.
 

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No pre-trib rapture mentioned in John 14 - let not your heart be troubled - no rapture here, only His promise of Peace in our hearts for His Return for us - He will not leave us as orphans.
The SAME Lord JESUS said this in John chapter 17 - in the world you will have tribulation, be of good cheer (our hearts) for I have overcome the world.

Do not add to or take away from God's Word as you just did in the Gospel of John.

Fear God and not man dear brother. If you fear man you will sin against God.
When I get a chance I will find that post about the Jewish wedding ritual that you MUST read. Superb and to the point. Ties into Jesus and the Apostles statements' beautifully.