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All Christians believe in the grace of God in some form or other...I know I did when I knelt down on my knees when I was a teenager. I then went to a church that was legalistic....and they believed in grace during the whole time...but not like Paul preached!...and they good living people that loved God!

Everyone is free to think however they want about grace and their Lord! He loves us and values all of us the same. We are all His favorite.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.



Do you believe people who do not share your exact views are not in the grace camp/ they don't believe in grace?

Only u referred to people who believe as you do as being I the grace camp

I am not sure if you believe the only people who accept grace are those who see grace as you and a few others do who pretty much agree on your stance

Just wondered
 
Oct 21, 2015
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All Christians believe in the grace of God in some form or other...I know I did when I knelt down on my knees when I was a teenager. I then went to a church that was legalistic....and they believed in grace during the whole time...but not like Paul preached!...and they good living people that loved God!

Everyone is free to think however they want about grace and their Lord! He loves us and values all of us the same. We are all His favorite.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
I never knew of grace when I went to a legalistic church as a teenager

I am glad you are not limiting peoples acceptance of grace to your personal understanding of it
God bless
 
Nov 22, 2015
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Grace is not a "thing"...grace is Jesus! Do a study with every scripture with the word "gospel" and you will find out quickly that grace is Jesus. it's always in reference to Jesus and God..it's their nature.

Many "grace people" talk about grace as if it's some kind of special offshoot of Jesus but it isn't..It's all about Him..

Anyone who is interested in this subject....watch this teaching....it'll keep us centered on Jesus and Him alone!

https://vimeo.com/76301411
 
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No, you're not sorry.

you seem to do less teaching than anyone else.
Good. God likes it that way.

And you abhor people who make personal comments and judgements about others online.
Yes, you do that

Dont know why you would think I would be singling you out
You are doing just that very thing.

Only as you said if anyone would understand my book you would, I thought you meant no one had better understanding about Christianity than you.
False.

Anyway, I hope all that obvious anger gets dealt with in you soon. You will never be happy until it is
I am happy because Jesus loves me and lives His life in and through me. Your passive aggressive approach is duly noted.


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Oct 21, 2015
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No, you're not sorry.



Good. God likes it that way.



Yes, you do that



You are doing just that very thing.



False.



I am happy because Jesus loves me and lives His life in and through me. Your passive aggressive approach is duly noted.


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I'm getting to know you quite well now euphemia

I've also glanced through a couple of debates you have been involved in

Your struggling.

It all adds up
 
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I'm getting to know you quite well now euphemia

I've also glanced through a couple of debates you have been involved in

Your struggling.

It all adds up
You are terrible at math, then! I am mot struggling. My relationship with God is a good one. You are entertaining, to say the least---the way you come out with these far-fetched judgments.

Keep on reading. Maybe you'll learn something. Jesus loves you.
 
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You are terrible at math, then! I am mot struggling. My relationship with God is a good one. You are entertaining, to say the least---the way you come out with these far-fetched judgments.

Keep on reading. Maybe you'll learn something. Jesus loves you.
Well as you keep accusing me of what you continually do yourself, what can I say?
 
Oct 21, 2015
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I said what? Rofl.
I was sure you told me you wanted to read a certain book. I don't mind if you do or if you don't, I just thought doing something constructive with your time would be better than spending it finding fault
 
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2kettles, what are you two cooking-up?
something pleasing to your Lord?
something that will edify each-other?
or
simply a stew to stir??

ROMANS 14:10.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
 
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2kettles, what are you two cooking-up?
something pleasing to your Lord?
something that will edify each-other?
or
simply a stew to stir??

ROMANS 14:10.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Correct. Thank you.
 
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I'm glad you have taken admonishment so well.

Now why not stop your comments then we needn't have anymore of this conversation need we
Sure, you can cease with the stalking and personal taunts now.
 
Oct 21, 2015
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Sure, you can cease with the stalking and personal taunts now.
No, I never stalked you. You started conversation with me in the first place, and you started the rudeness and insults. People would only have to look at your comments in the last two pages of this thread to see that.
All I have done is respond to your stalking comments to me, and in a far less provocative, unkind manner than the comments you have made to me
 
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Not true, clearly.

No, I never stalked you. You started conversation with me in the first place, and you started the rudeness and insults. People would only have to look at your comments in the last two pages of this thread to see that.
All I have done is respond to your stalking comments to me, and in a far less provocative, unkind manner than the comments you have made to me
 
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Grace is not a "thing"...grace is Jesus!
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1 John 4:8

Now you can say Jesus is love, Jesus is the word, the message of love to mankind.

You cannot say Jesus is grace, because grace is a way of doing something, not a thing itself, while love is a thing.

This indicates for hyper-grace people they have changed language and redefined the word grace to mean something that it did not mean before. This is why the bible does not support this language because it is a new way of defining theology or acceptability or sanctification.

What is new is the idea Jesus accepts sinners who desire to continue to sin. Now it sounds like they want to claim they do not mean this though the language does, and then describe a way of life the denies the need to be righteous.

They are impermiable to a conviction of sin, because they believe no christian should be convicted of sin because though they sin they are not guilty. After every point is made theologically they refuse to adjust their position or even admit being convicted of sin is part of Jesus's message. There is no going back once you go here.

From my perspective I would through out of churches people who preached like this as unrepentant hell bound sinners.
To preach against righteous law is to rebel against God and His judgement.

Now the twisted logic is I am the one guilty of watering down Gods law so I can be called righteous and their view of righteousness is so high no one can ever reach it so we are forever defeated. So they are sinners with no saviour who can save them just forgive them in their lostness.

I know how sin is a struggle sometimes, and we fall into temptation, but to suggest this is actual sin is to give up what purity, holiness and truth are. It is to admit Satans accusation we are hyprocrites as truthful, though subtly it suggests God accepts sin as inevitable and ok. This is why grace has to be hyper grace because entry into heaven is based on balancing the good and the bad in someones life where the good must out-weigh the bad. This is a theology found in the world but not in Jesus.