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Magenta

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So we should look in Revelation and not say I am absent information unless that is how I am.
Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.

That means Jesus.
 
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When presented with this argument, it seems a simple choice needs to be made… either Jesus is God or the Bible contradicts itself over and over and over again…
I am going to go out on a limb a say Jesus is God… What a strong limb that is.
Go with the originals except I don't know Greek, right?!
 

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It is a different word for one, but Jesus is my personal Savior while YHVH is my God.
God said there is no savior besides Him.

I thought you believed what Scripture says? .:unsure:. That's what you have said, any ways...

So how can Jesus save you if He is not God?
 
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God said there is no savior besides Him.

I thought you believed what Scripture says? .:unsure:. That's what you have said, any ways...

So how can Jesus save you if He is not God?
Because God who is the only Savior sent His Son to be the Savior of the world. Problem solved. I mean, do you or don't you believe that?!
 

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Because God who is the only Savior sent His Son to be the Savior of the world. Problem solved. I mean, do you or don't you believe that?!
That's a fine twist you have put on what Scripture explicitly states.

No Saviour but God. Jesus saves. You manage to mangle it to suit your opinion, which you claim not to have.
 
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That's a fine twist you have put on what Scripture explicitly states.

No Saviour but God. Jesus saves. You manage to mangle it to suit your opinion, which you claim not to have.
Not at all. The question is if Jesus saves, and He does. John 17:5. See if Jesus is God. Jesus is not the God who is the only Savior who sent His Son. Who did God send? Answer me that.
 

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Not at all. The question is if Jesus saves, and He does. John 17:5. See if Jesus is God. Jesus is not the God who is the only Savior who sent His Son. Who did God send? Answer me that.
John 1 tells us Who. You manage to mangle that, too, obviously, since you reject the clear teaching that Jesus is the
Word of God from everlasting Who took on flesh to walk this world, which was God's plan from before the world began.


If Jesus saves, He is God. For there is no other name given under heaven by which men may be saved. Period.
 
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John 1 tells us Who. You manage to mangle that, too, obviously, since you reject the clear teaching that Jesus is the
Word of God from everlasting Who took on flesh to walk this world, which was God's plan from before the world began.


If Jesus saves, He is God. For there is no other name given under heaven by which men may be saved. Period.
I believe that Jesus is the Word of God.
 
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John 1 tells us Who. You manage to mangle that, too, obviously, since you reject the clear teaching that Jesus is the
Word of God from everlasting Who took on flesh to walk this world, which was God's plan from before the world began.


If Jesus saves, He is God. For there is no other name given under heaven by which men may be saved. Period.
God is above heaven or in heaven. Jesus is under heaven.
 

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It says God was the Word. I agree with your verse here.
So God WAS the Word but isn't any more... or what??? The WORD was God, and took on flesh to walk this world = Jesus.

Who created the universe?

"All things were made through him, and without him was not any
thing made that was made."
That refers back to the WORD (Jesus).

He is the life and light of men.
 
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So God WAS the Word but isn't any more... or what??? The WORD was God, and took on flesh to walk this world = Jesus.
It is John 1:1. In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. And God was the word. See the Greek. God is not the last word.

See John 1:14 NASB.
 

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It is John 1:1. In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. And God was the word. See the Greek. God is not the last word.

See John 1:14 NASB.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
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You say yes but you will turn around and say again and again that you don't know.

Perhaps you could ask Him to reveal Himself to you. For clarity's sake...
God? Or, Jesus?

Jesus taught us to pray to the Father, not to Himself.

Morphological GNT John 1:1 ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος