I am a Seventh Day Adventist, Ask Me.

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

gotime-

Would you further clarify SDA teaching about the pre-Incarnate nature of Jesus Christ as the Son?

And would you address the SDA teachings about the afterlife regarding Conditional Immortality and Annihilationism, especially relative to Soul Sleep?

Thank you, and I will remain respectful and gracious.

 

[gotime]

gotime-

Would you further clarify SDA teaching about the pre-Incarnate nature of Jesus Christ as the Son?

And would you address the SDA teachings about the afterlife regarding Conditional Immortality and Annihilationism, especially relative to Soul Sleep?

Thank you, and I will remain respectful and gracious.

This is in answer to your first question. (Would you further clarify SDA teaching about the pre-Incarnate nature of Jesus Christ as the Son?)
There is some debate over this subject within the Adventist church. But the actual position is as follows.
Jesus before his incarnation was simply God.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Here we are told that Jesus was God. In fact the Idea that He thought it not robbery suggests that he was rightfully God.

As John put it:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And again:
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…

Jesus is the word who was in the beginning and was God.

I could go on but I thing you get the point, Jesus is God. Jesus himself claimed to be the great I AM of Israel. He is the creator.

Now as to his son-ship. Paul aptly puts it like this:

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Jesus was a son according to the flesh in the line of David. Thus referring to his physical birth.

And Jesus was a son of God according to the resurrection from the dead.

Christ has no beginning nor does he have an end. Christ was God from eternity with the Father. He was not born before earth.

That is a short version. Mainly because I am not entirely sure what you are after. Feel free to ask more if this is insufficient or does not really answer your question. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, I just don’t like people pretending they know what we believe.

 

[gotime]

gotime-

Would you further clarify SDA teaching about the pre-Incarnate nature of Jesus Christ as the Son?

And would you address the SDA teachings about the afterlife regarding Conditional Immortality and Annihilationism, especially relative to Soul Sleep?

Thank you, and I will remain respectful and gracious.

And would you address the SDA teachings about the afterlife regarding Conditional Immortality and Annihilationism, especially relative to Soul Sleep?

This question is not one easily answered in a short post. But I will do as I did with the last question. I will not endeavor to prove every aspect but rather tell you what we believe with some verses. What I mean by this is that while there is much more I could say I will keep it short and simple.

When Adam and Eve sinned God did and said this:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Because of their disobedience to God they were told they would Die.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Thus they only had death over them when they sinned. So clearly eternal life from the start was based on obedience to God.
Nothing has changed.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Notice sin leads to death and Jesus gives life. And again:
Pro 19:16 He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Sin leads to death.
Paul understood that there was only two options:
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
We either obey God and live through Christ or we obey sin and die.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Anyway I think you get the point, immortality is conditional on Jesus blood and obedience to God.
As for Hell it is simply called in Revelation:
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Remember the soul that sinneth will die. The wages of sin is death and so on. The lake of fire is where the second death comes into play.

Now soul sleep notice these words of Jesus.

Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

so how is this so? We know the wages of sin is death and those who follow Christ shall not die. Thus there must be at least two different types of death.

We know that there is the judgment of the wicked which is an eternal death while we also have a death that is a consequence of sin. The natural death.

This death is likened to sleep by Christ for those who are saved. Why? Because its not eternal. Just as we sleep we wake up. So shall those who die in Christ.

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Joh 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Here Jesus says that Lazarus is sleeping but in reality he was dead.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Anyway you get the point I’m sure.

Of the dead it is said.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Peter also said of King David.

Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.


Peter is arguing that the prophecy was not concerning David because he never rose and is dead in his grave to this day. Yet Jesus has risen.

Anyway that is the short of it. Tried to keep it short. If there are any questions then feel free to ask. There is much more concerning all three of these topics. Blessings

 

[shiner500]

is this true?
I heard that Ellen White prophesied that Jesus would return before her death.
wouldn't that make her a false prophet?

 

[gotime]

is this true?
I heard that Ellen White prophesied that Jesus would return before her death.
wouldn't that make her a false prophet?

Ellen White said that Jesus could have come had the people of God been ready. she saw a vision that showed her what could have been had God's people obeyed God. but the people did not so it never happened.

much like how Jonah prophesied that God would destroy Nineveh. but it did not happen then because they repented.

hope that helps. there are many prophecies that are given by prophets in the Bible that never came to be. only because the people did not obey God.

 

[mpaper345]

I do not know much of the seventh day adventists,but I will address 2 things.

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).


Jesus took the physical ordinances of the Old Testament and nailed them to His cross,taking them out of the way,because they were against us,including the sabbath days,because they could not provide spiritual salvation.


10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear(Isaiah 28:10-12).


In the New Testament when you receive the Spirit,you are obeying the sabbath,and it is a spiritual rest,instead of a physical day of rest.


Yet they would not hear,but want to tell people to keep the physical sabbath that Jesus nailed to His cross,and took out of the way.


The Bible says that which is natural is first,then that which is spiritual.


The Old Testament is physical blessings with no spiritual blessing to be saved spiritually,so the sabbath days cannot perfect anybody for salvation,which the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath.


2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(Micah 5:2).


It says that when the Son comes He will be from everlasting,which means He is God with no beginning,in which the Bible says He shall be called the mighty God,which means He will be God manifest in flesh,and the one that is to be ruler unto God,is the man Christ Jesus,which means Jesus is fully God and fully man,but never an angel.He is God in a visible manifestation.



8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever(Hebrews 13:8).


8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty(Revelation 1:8).


Jesus never changes and is always God.



Since Jesus is God with no beginning,and always is God,how did He turn in to an angel,and if He was an angel first,how did He turn in to God.


When does an angel have no beginning like Jesus,for they are created beings,so how was Jesus an angel first,and an angel does not turn in to God.


14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).


How can Jesus be an angel,and then have this bestowed upon Him,to be exalted like this,when God said He does not give His glory to another,in Hebrews God said He never allowed any angel to sit at His right hand,and all power in heaven and earth is given to Jesus.


God said there is no God beside Him(Isaiah 44:8),and there was no God formed before Him,and there will be no God formed after Him(Isaiah 43:10-11),so Jesus cannot be an angel that turned in to God,and we know Jesus is God,for the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh.


Jesus cannot be an angel who was exalted to be God,especially when the Bible portrays Him as the Almighty,with no beginning,and the only ruler,who no man can see,and no man will ever see,which means Jesus is the invisible God who showed us a visible manifestation.


Also the Bible says the name of Jesus is the name that is above all names,not only in this world,but in the world to come,so if Jesus was an angel first named Michael,then how did He get such an exalted name,when Solomon said the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,so how much less this temple,but God said My name will be there,meaning that God's name represents who He is,and how can an angel named Michael,end up with a name that is above all names in the world to come.


Also the Bible says the angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to those who shall inherit salvation,and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints,and the angels are last on the authority structure of God,with men and women being above them,because people will have a glorified body like God's glorified body,which the angels will never have,and rule with Jesus on earth,which the angels will never be able to do,so are people who are saved greater than Jesus when He was an angel,but we know Jesus is always greater than us,so He is always God.



17And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
18And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
21But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
22And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God(Judges 13:17-22).


In the Old Testament God appeared in flesh to Abraham,and appeared in an angel form to Monoah and his wife,for Manoah said they have seen God.


The only way you can see the invisible God is if shows a manifestation of Himself,which He appeared in human form to Abraham,in which Abraham called Him LORD,and appeared unto Monoah and his wife,in which Manoah said they seen God,and that is why God said why do you ask after My name seeing it is secret.


When the Bible says the angel of God went before Israel,does not mean that Jesus was an angel first,but God was in an angelic form,and was God Himself leading Israel.Since God was in angelic form it was not an angel personally,and God put off that angelic form,like He put off the human form that He used to show Himself to Abraham,for it was not a real human born of parents,but a manifestation of God,like the angel that went before Israel was not a real angel created by God,but a manifestation of God.


21And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night(Exodus 13:21).


14And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night(Numbers 14:14).


We see that it was God who went before Israel,and the angel of God was God in an angelic manifestation,and not a created angel,but it was God Himself.We cannot see the invisible God unless He chooses to show us a bodily manifestation,so the only way Manoah and His wife,and Israel,could see God,was if God showed them a visible manifestation,which it was not a real angel,but God clothing Himself in an angel form,which Manoah said we seen God,and Israel seen God face to face.

 

[TheAristocat]

I am a Seventh Day Adventist, Ask Me.

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

 

[TheAristocat]

And would you address the SDA teachings about the afterlife regarding Conditional Immortality and Annihilationism, especially relative to Soul Sleep?

This question is not one easily answered in a short post. But I will do as I did with the last question. I will not endeavor to prove every aspect but rather tell you what we believe with some verses. What I mean by this is that while there is much more I could say I will keep it short and simple.

When Adam and Eve sinned God did and said this:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Because of their disobedience to God they were told they would Die.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Thus they only had death over them when they sinned. So clearly eternal life from the start was based on obedience to God.
Nothing has changed.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Notice sin leads to death and Jesus gives life. And again:
Pro 19:16 He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Sin leads to death.
Paul understood that there was only two options:
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
We either obey God and live through Christ or we obey sin and die.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Anyway I think you get the point, immortality is conditional on Jesus blood and obedience to God.
As for Hell it is simply called in Revelation:
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Remember the soul that sinneth will die. The wages of sin is death and so on. The lake of fire is where the second death comes into play.

Now soul sleep notice these words of Jesus.

Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

so how is this so? We know the wages of sin is death and those who follow Christ shall not die. Thus there must be at least two different types of death.

We know that there is the judgment of the wicked which is an eternal death while we also have a death that is a consequence of sin. The natural death.

This death is likened to sleep by Christ for those who are saved. Why? Because its not eternal. Just as we sleep we wake up. So shall those who die in Christ.

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Joh 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Here Jesus says that Lazarus is sleeping but in reality he was dead.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Anyway you get the point I’m sure.

Of the dead it is said.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Peter also said of King David.

Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.


Peter is arguing that the prophecy was not concerning David because he never rose and is dead in his grave to this day. Yet Jesus has risen.

Anyway that is the short of it. Tried to keep it short. If there are any questions then feel free to ask. There is much more concerning all three of these topics. Blessings

Some actual questions:

1. How is one saved according to SDA thought?
2. Is it SDA doctrine to keep kosher? I've heard some do, but that may be personal preference as one is a vegetarian out of conscience.

Anyway, good posts. You seem to know a lot, and I appreciate the detail with which you delve into Scripture. I choose the seventh day as my Sabbath, but I'm not an SDA.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Hi, thanx for your reply. I would counsel you to do some more research or stop talking about the Adventist church. the reason is you clearly do not understand what we teach.

you said:

Can a man or woman be saved without praying especially on Saturdays (the old Sabbath)?

My reply is what "old Sabbath" ? there is only one Sabbath in the whole Bible concerning a day. namely the 7th day Sabbath.

the other error in your question is the assertion that we believe that you can only pray on the Sabbath. I am not sure where you got that one. It is the first time I have seen it. maybe I am misunderstanding you.

You said:

Shouldn't we

pray every day, not just on the Sabbath?

agreed. pray without ceasing.

You Said:

Does the Law of Moses save us?

I say no. there has never been any law that could save us. it is Christ and Christ alone and his blood shed on Calvary that saves us. praise be to God.

Again this shows me that you misunderstand our position. I am not saying that you should look into what we believe more. that is your choice but again. please do not speak of others in ignorance lest you bring condemnation upon yourself. It is against Gods way to bare false witness.

you said:

Apostles of Christ were not Seventh Day Adventists.

should you really make such claims when you don't really know what we believe?

Look basically you obviously do not know much about what we teach and why. I could address all your assertions and questions but it really comes down to the same thing. you don't really know what we believe or teach. I am sure you have read some things. maybe no some who claim to be SDA. but you don't actually know what we believe. I speak of what I know. you speak of things you do not know. so please afford some respect when casting accusations on a group.

God bless you.

Dear gotime: I do know and understand what Adventists believe, which is why I reject it. It is face-value wrong to have a woman as the basic teacher of a Christian group. Women are to be subject unto men in the Church, not over them (1 Cor. 14).
I don't misunderstand what SDA teaches. I have read Walter Martin's book "The Kingdom of the Cults", and that told me much of what I need to know. I also know that the SDA "church" is not the "one holy catholic and apostolic Church" founded by Jesus Christ, and that really is all that I need to know. It didn't exist until the mid 19th century, and it wasn't taught 2000 years ago until after 1800 years after Jesus Christ. We don't have to make the Sabbath a test of spirituality, because Colossians tells us, according to blessed St. Paul, that no man is to judge us according to a sabbath day or sabbath days. Read the whole epistle to the Colossians for proof of this. So you are simply mistaken and misinformed that I don't understand Seventh-day Adventism. I do understand it. Which is why I don't believe in it.
God bless you!
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[jimmydiggs]

Seventh Day Adventism is a theological cult. It rests heavily upon Ellen G. White. Beware of SDA deceit.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is

here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we

believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe

and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else.

Now I have a lot on my plate so please be patient with me. This post is not designed to argue but rather

help those who wish to better understand our position. You do not have to agree with me in any way. I

will however be using the bible to answer any questions. so if you need to discuss anything with me about

a topic that you think I am wrong in then feel free. but use your Bible. I will not pay any heed to those

who come in here and rant on their soap box without scripture to back them up.

In other words, lets be Christian about this. I have no need nor want to put others down. and will not

respond to put downs and unchristian behaviour.

One other thing. I am a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor, and one thing I have learnt is that most Professed

Seventh Day Adventists do not know what we actually believe. Why do I say this? Because While you

may have read things about us and done some study. chances are, you don't understand half as much

about our teaching as you think you do.

I do not pretend to know everything about how other faiths believe even though I used to be a

pentecostal. I am not ignorant enough to think that I know them because I once was one. so please

afford me the same respect.

That being said, May God bless us all as we draw closer to Him in truth and in Spirit.

Dear friend:

The true testimony of a Seventh-Day Adventist:

Gallatin, Matthew. (2002). Thirsting For God In A Land of Shallow Wells. Ben Lomond, CA:
Conciliar Press.

God bless you.
In Erie Scott R. Harrington

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Seventh Day Adventism is a theological cult. It rests heavily upon Ellen G. White. Beware of SDA deceit.

Amen, dear jimmydiggs.

See: Gallatin, Matthew. (2002). Thirsting For God In A Land of Shallow Wells. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press. Christian testimony of a former Seventh-day Adventist who found Jesus Christ.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Seventh Day Adventism is a theological cult. It rests heavily upon Ellen G. White. Beware of SDA deceit.

Dear jimmydiggs:

For more on Seventh-day Adventism see:

Orthodox America -- Seventh-Day Adventists
Seventh-Day Adventists

God save us. Amen.

In Erie Scott

 

[gotime]

Dear jimmydiggs:

For more on Seventh-day Adventism see:

Orthodox America -- Seventh-Day Adventists
Seventh-Day Adventists

God save us. Amen.

In Erie Scott

Really this is not very productive is it. Here you go saying look at this true testimony of and Adventist. but then ignore testimonies from other Adventists.

wow, so that's how it works. Ill just go find someone from your faith who does not really understand it and put their views on your whole faith.

As I have said, you do not know what you are talking about. if you did then you would at least know what we believe. being that you do not know what we believe i know that you have not studied for yourself.

Its one thing to disagree with our view, its another thing altogether to ignorantly profess claims that are unfounded and unlearned.

I pray that God does not judge you in the way in which you so easily pass judgements.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Really this is not very productive is it. Here you go saying look at this true testimony of and Adventist. but then ignore testimonies from other Adventists.

wow, so that's how it works. Ill just go find someone from your faith who does not really understand it and put their views on your whole faith.

As I have said, you do not know what you are talking about. if you did then you would at least know what we believe. being that you do not know what we believe i know that you have not studied for yourself.

Its one thing to disagree with our view, its another thing altogether to ignorantly profess claims that are unfounded and unlearned.

I pray that God does not judge you in the way in which you so easily pass judgements.

Dear gotime:

Where does the New Testament tell us we need Mrs. White to tell us what the New Testament means?

The Gospel is so simple a child can understand it. The Gospel is Jesus Christ is Lord, died for us and

shed His blood on the Cross, Rose from the dead to save us. We don't need Seventh-Day Adventism.

Sabbath keeping is not required. Besides, every day should be kept holy, not just Saturdays.

The letter of the Law killeth; the Spirit of God giveth Life. The whole Adventist doctrine of the cleansing

of the heavenly sanctuary and the investigative judgment is false. They invented this novel teaching

to cover up and reinterpret the previous error of William Miller falsely trying to predict the day and

hour of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. You are slandering a disciple of Jesus Christ, and saying

false things against me, a Christian. Adventism is not true Christianity. It really is quite simple. I am

sorry for you if you are so deluded by the Adversary that you cannot understand the Truth.

God save you.

In Christ, Scott R. Harrington

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Really this is not very productive is it. Here you go saying look at this true testimony of and Adventist. but

then ignore testimonies from other Adventists.

wow, so that's how it works. Ill just go find someone from your faith who does not really understand it

and put their views on your whole faith.

As I have said, you do not know what you are talking about. if you did then you would at least know

what we believe. being that you do not know what we believe i know that you have not studied for

yourself.

Its one thing to disagree with our view, its another thing altogether to ignorantly profess claims that are

unfounded and unlearned.

I pray that God does not judge you in the way in which you so easily pass judgements.

Dear gotime:

So, you easily pass judgment that I am "so easily passing judgment"? How do you know that I am

doing that? No. I judge no one. I just speak what Truth that I know.


"The Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine of "Investigative Judgment" is one of the most important

teaching of their theology. The Seventh Day Adventist denomination developed from the roots of

William Miller's teaching though Miller never joined the movement".

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God save us in Christ Jesus: Amen.

No man knows the day or the hour of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

William Miller claimed to know, and prophesied October 1843 and October 1844, making William Miller

a false prophet. In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[Laodicea]

Dear gotime:

So, you easily pass judgment that I am "so easily passing judgment"? How do you know that I am

doing that? No. I judge no one. I just speak what Truth that I know.


"The Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine of "Investigative Judgment" is one of the most important

teaching of their theology. The Seventh Day Adventist denomination developed from the roots of

William Miller's teaching though Miller never joined the movement".

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God save us in Christ Jesus: Amen.

No man knows the day or the hour of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

William Miller claimed to know, and prophesied October 1843 and October 1844, making William Miller

a false prophet. In Erie Scott Harrington

All I see in your posts is your own words no Bible. If you are going to say that the SDA doctrines are error then please back up your claims with Bible.

 

[Laodicea]

Seventh Day Adventism is a theological cult. It rests heavily upon Ellen G. White. Beware of SDA deceit.

If you are going to say that the SDA doctrines are error then please back up your claims with Bible.

 

[jimmydiggs]

If you are going to say that the SDA doctrines are error then please back up your claims with Bible.

My friend, I have tried to reason with you concerning the Sabbath. Unfortunately for the both of us, it was not possible.


The best thing I can do about Wolves, is to point them out.

<---- wolf


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[Laodicea]

My friend, I have tried to reason with you concerning the Sabbath. Unfortunately for the both of us, it was not possible.


The best thing I can do about Wolves, is to point them out.

<---- wolf


Related Websites <--- for those interested in learning more

Still no Bible, is that the best you can do?