I want the truth , no beating around the bush

[lookingforthetruth]

Think about it!!!

Would God not be lying if He says He has a Son and then say that He does not have a Son? One of them has to be the father of that lie.

See you say would god be lying first of all prove to me that this god saying this ? the quran doesn't have contradcitions ive checked most of the so -called allegations myself yet the bible has thousands and i can find them easily so don't say it doesn't the word of god is flawless according to your own bible so how can god make a mistake ? only men make mistakes

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Mark 15.34 does not say "Elah", it says "Eloi, for the record;

the word is Elahoim

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Elah says He has a Son....

Allah says he has no son....

One of them is a liar........

God does not begot sons. He simply willed that Jesus to exist and he was.What does the word begot mean ? huh ?what are you trying to attribute to god ? (esp. of a male parent) to generate (offspring). Begetting is an animalistic attribute not a godly attribute .

 

[morninglory]

So since god manifested in Jesus that means Jesus was god right ? then ""In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you." since jesus is god isnt god in the apostles ? which mean theyre also god because the god manifised within them idk what ur on about . you say i dont have logic lmao prove to me i dont have logic by disproving my points with logic none of you have .

LFT, if you will go back a few posts, you will see that I asked you some questions about Mohammed and the Quarn; I would appreciate it if you would answer those questions, so I can find some common ground with you. As far as this post, there is an explanation for your presumptions, but it will be better explained when you answer the other questions. I will re post it for you.

 

[morninglory]

lookingforthetruth, in response to another post, now I understand where you are coming from... I am the first to admitt that I know nothing about the Quarn, but I did read the history of Mohammad, and so I would like to ask you a few questions;

What promises, if any, did Mohammad make?

What predictions for the end times are made in the Quarn?

When were the first and last writings in the Quarn?

Was it all in the same language(I'm sure it was)?

Did it have more than one person to write it(it more than likely did if it is old)?

Do you know their names and their history?

Is there any dispute about possible mis interpretations among the followers of the Quarn?

Is there diversity in the muslun faith like there is in Christianity?

You say Jesus is a profit, is he mentioned in the Quran? If not, why do you believe he is a profit?

Other than the professed ascension of Mohammed, are there any other miracles in the Quran?

 

[posthuman]

the quran doesn't have contradcitions ive checked most of the so -called allegations myself

the Koran is full of contradictions -- maybe you should look up the principle of 'abrogation' -- Mohammed directly contradicted dozens of earlier prophets, and even contradicts himself, but in Islam they accept that, thinking that the Truth can change.
Sura 6:101
"How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things?"
Sura 39:4
"If God wanted to have a son, He could have chosen whomever He willed from among His creations. "



where are the "thousands of contradictions" in the Bible? if they are so easily found, and the scripture so obviously inconsistent, why has the Faith endured for thousands of years?

but one day the scales will fall from your eyes, and you also will see.

 

[morninglory]

the word is Elahoim

This word "Elahoim", what language is that? Do you know what language(es) the Mark that wrote the second gospel spoke and wrote in?

 

[morninglory]

God does not begot sons. He simply willed that Jesus to exist and he was.What does the word begot mean ? huh ?what are you trying to attribute to god ? (esp. of a male parent) to generate (offspring). Begetting is an animalistic attribute not a godly attribute .

Do you say this because the Quarn says God does not have the ability to create and avatar to show us how to return to our first estates? In the body, Jesus was the second Adam, and did everything that was given to the hand of the first Adam before he sinned.

 

[Apostol2013]

King James Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

[h=3]John 14:6-11[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. now even Jesus was called God


Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
now the spirit of God is the spirit of the Father YHWH John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, Whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me: Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.
Now look at this revelation Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD(YHWH) go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD(YHWH) my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
And even look Zec 14:9 And the LORD(YHWH) shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD(YHWH), and his name one.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THE THREE ARE ONE,NOT THREE BUT ONE GOD I believe 1john 5:7 is real accurate it is God's Word preserved thorugh trials and tribulations not corruption scriptures gives this very much support but its not trinuity but reffering to one God for he is Omnipresent Omnipotent ... there is a lot of controvercy if one does not study ..

 

[RuthHannah]

See you say would god be lying first of all prove to me that this god saying this ? the quran doesn't have contradcitions ive checked most of the so -called allegations myself yet the bible has thousands and i can find them easily so don't say it doesn't the word of god is flawless according to your own bible so how can god make a mistake ? only men make mistakes

Who are the people of the book and what book is that ?

O People of the Book! now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) Our Messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)"; but now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.

Quran 5.19

Say: "O People of the Book! why reject ye the Signs of Allah, when Allah is Himself witness to all ye do?"
[99] Say: "O ye People of the Book! why obstruct ye those who believe, from the path of Allah, seeking to make it crooked, while ye were yourselves witnesses (to Allah's Covenant)? But Allah is not unmindful of all that ye do."

Quran 3.98,99

 

[Isdaniel]

Who are the people of the book and what book is that ?

O People of the Book! now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) Our Messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)"; but now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.

Quran 5.19

Say: "O People of the Book! why reject ye the Signs of Allah, when Allah is Himself witness to all ye do?"
[99] Say: "O ye People of the Book! why obstruct ye those who believe, from the path of Allah, seeking to make it crooked, while ye were yourselves witnesses (to Allah's Covenant)? But Allah is not unmindful of all that ye do."

Quran 3.98,99

hmmmmmm very interesting the book and the people yet they do not obey torah nor sabbath hmmmm very nice

 

[lookingforthetruth]

lookingforthetruth, in response to another post, now I understand where you are coming from... I am the first to admitt that I know nothing about the Quarn, but I did read the history of Mohammad, and so I would like to ask you a few questions;

What promises, if any, did Mohammad make?

What predictions for the end times are made in the Quarn?

When were the first and last writings in the Quarn?

Was it all in the same language(I'm sure it was)?

Did it have more than one person to write it(it more than likely did if it is old)?

Do you know their names and their history?

Is there any dispute about possible mis interpretations among the followers of the Quarn?

Is there diversity in the muslun faith like there is in Christianity?

You say Jesus is a profit, is he mentioned in the Quran? If not, why do you believe he is a profit?

Other than the professed ascension of Mohammed, are there any other miracles in the Quran?

Didn't you just ask this ? I already answered this post but ill reanswer it again u added a few questions though but just read the first ones then we can talk about those then we can talk about the other questions here is my previous answer 1.Muhammad nicknamed this guy called Khalid Bin Walid as safyalaah which translated to sword of allah.This person khalid bin walid fought over 50 battles and won them all( ithink ) .On his death bed he admitted he was trying to kill himself in war for matyrdom then his wife told him you were nicknamed the sword of god nothing could stop you . That's one prediction .Another prophecy Prophet Muahmmad(saw) made to the muslims were that we would conquer Constantinople idk how to spell it which came later to be true and there are 72 minor signs for the coming of judgment day he predicted most of them already fullfilled ill link it at he bottom.One thing the prophet(saw) said is " The Prophet (saws) said, 'Some people of this Ummah(Nation) will be swallowed up by the earth, some will be transformed into animals, and some will be bombarded with stones.' One of the Muslims asked, 'When will that be, O Messenger of Allah?' He said, 'When singers and musical instruments will become popular, and much wine will be drunk.'" "
2.Predictions made are few : 1. that Jesus(saw) will come back to destroy the cross because he was never crucified , and kill the swine (pig) because he said don't eat pig yet the Christians eat pig and the muslims don't .Also, that Jesus will kill the anti christ .There are so many ill give u a link again at the bottom but another prediction would be that judgement day would happen on a Friday . This topic again links back to the minor signs which i've linked at the bottom .
3.The quran only has one version unlike the bible and it was all written down by the time the prohpet(saw) died however it was all over the place so the calipha uthma ibn khatib gathered them up and made it into one book and it is the only holy book on earth with original manuscripts because god promised {We have, without doubt, sent down the Reminder [i.e., the Quran]; and We will assuredly guard it [from corruption].} (Al-Hijr 15:9) .
4.There is only one Quran which is in Arabic plus in prayer for 1400 years it has been recited and memorised which further reinforces its authenticity so if you try to change anything in one chapter the other muslims who have memorised it will notice immediately .
5.The prophet(saw) spoke and since he was illerate whatever he spoke was recorded down by 2 people and he made them recite what they wrote back to him . At the time you would be persecuted for being a muslim so these people were only his close friends or slaves of society
6.We know their names and history even their relation to the prophet and we even know the full name of the Prophet Muhammad(saw) which isAbū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim and any of his companions .Their history is constantly recited as they were the examples for mankind eg Abu bakr a man who was so rich he gave it all for the sake of the god ( allah )

Minor Signs

 

[morninglory]

Ellah is the Hebrew word for god check a search engine or something im not bothered to go into the basics

For the record, I clicked on the link that SOMEONE provided, that has all the names that Judism refer to one God, and the word "Ellah" is not there. But the original point was concerning the reference in Mark, spoken by a man that was writing in the Greek language that he did not speak well. The man on the cross was quoting Ps.22.1, and spoke mostly Hebrew, which again, Mark did not speak well, which the word in Mark is "Eloi", and is not among the names that Judism refer to the one true God, so where does that leave the debate? The many names of the One true God that you denounce - represent the TOTAL of his powers, ...to be proven when the time is right.

 

[morninglory]

Didn't you just ask this ?

Yes, did you answer it? I will look through the posts, because I evidently missed it if you did.

 

[lookingforthetruth]

For the record, I clicked on the link that SOMEONE provided, that has all the names that Judism refer to one God, and the word "Ellah" is not there. But the original point was concerning the reference in Mark, spoken by a man that was writing in the Greek language that he did not speak well. The man on the cross was quoting Ps.22.1, and spoke mostly Hebrew, which again, Mark did not speak well, which the word in Mark is "Eloi", and is not among the names that Judism refer to the one true God, so where does that leave the debate? The many names of the One true God that you denounce - represent the TOTAL of his powers, ...to be proven when the time is right.

Its elohim sorry not ellah i was multasking at the time nah actually i was right here is the link The Aramaic Name for God - Elah

 

[lookingforthetruth]

the Koran is full of contradictions -- maybe you should look up the principle of 'abrogation' -- Mohammed directly contradicted dozens of earlier prophets, and even contradicts himself, but in Islam they accept that, thinking that the Truth can change.
Sura 6:101
"How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things?"
Sura 39:4
"If God wanted to have a son, He could have chosen whomever He willed from among His creations. "



where are the "thousands of contradictions" in the Bible? if they are so easily found, and the scripture so obviously inconsistent, why has the Faith endured for thousands of years?

but one day the scales will fall from your eyes, and you also will see.

I can find you about 6 mistakes from genesis okay ? and i will not take anything yuou say into note until you explain every single one deal ? btw dont quote out of context the quran came down in CHAPTERS known as surahs it didnt come down verse by verse yeah ?

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Do you say this because the Quarn says God does not have the ability to create and avatar to show us how to return to our first estates? In the body, Jesus was the second Adam, and did everything that was given to the hand of the first Adam before he sinned.

nah it logically makes sense the quran says god will not do ungodly things and its like why would god become a lower human . I mean humanity isnt that bad for us but if we were god why would we want to be humans ? its like us saying lets become cockroaches. we are disgusting we poo all over the place , eat disgusting oily food , mate like crazy . idk its not fitting for a higher being if you get what im heading at
Plus logically god is immortal while man is mortal. Man has a begining and end while god has neither . God is self-sufficient , man needs foood/sleep

 

[Isdaniel]

Its elohim sorry not ellah i was multasking at the time nah actually i was right here is the link The Aramaic Name for God - Elah

i think by the look of it that more christian know more quran than you even though they dont believe in it

 

[Isdaniel]

I can find you about 6 mistakes from genesis okay ? and i will not take anything yuou say into note until you explain every single one deal ? btw dont quote out of context the quran came down in CHAPTERS known as surahs it didnt come down verse by verse yeah ?

Who are the people of the book and what book is that spoken of

 

[morninglory]

See you say i 'm makiung up lies and so on yet haven't i made responses based on logic and further on used quotes to backup my ideas? Instead all of you say im liers im liers and mention no textual evidence and if you do its not realted to the topic but its rather a quote that has nothing to do with the topic <> . Don't talk all wise like your so confident your right yeah ? Do you know what jesus will tell the christians on the day of judgment ? "Lord lord did we not prophesise in your name and cast out demons in your name ? Jesus: Begone i did not know you workers of evil " WHo proclaims in the name of jesus christ ? not the muslims or the jews or the hindus or the aethiests so ask yourself that question and if you think you can give me a REAL answer

LFT, I did not at any time call you a liar, as you evidently believe you are right, but your title is, "looking for the truth", something you think you already have. I asked you questions to come to a better understanding of your beliefs, and I am still waiting for the answers.