If Adam's death caused death to all , Jesus's death should cause life to all right? - regardless of our choice -

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Scarlett7297 said:
Literally speaking , for one man Adam , all were punished to death and it was by the choice made by Adam and we didn't have a say in this and so all regardless of making any choice we are counted as those who are dying. So , now by one , Jesus , the resurrection should come to all....regardless of whether we make the choice or not , right?
  • For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 1 Corinthians 15:21-23 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
So , because of Christ , resurrection has to be guaranteed for all humans. Isn't that right?
Have a look at this -

- much more did the grace of God and the gift

All of us agree that grace and a gift are a good thing? Also all of us agree that the angels ...when they met the 3 wise men ,mentioned about - good tidings to all men?

I mentioned this last point because - I know some of you might argue that , yes , we will be resurrected - some to the resurrection of life and some to the resurrection of condemnation according to John 5:29
  • John 5:29 (King James Version)And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Now , regardless of our choice made in this life whether or not we accept Jesus , all men should receive the good tidings if you take into consideration that when Adam ate the fruit , we his children , didn't ourselves eat it but still death came to all regardless of whether their actions were good or bad. Those who chose to do good were exempt from death? No right?. Death came to all. Now therefore, those of us humans over here who have not believed in Jesus are doing what ? - choosing to be disobedient to the gospel ? - is this good? Most of us will say - it isn't. The gospel is the truth. Regardless , they will be given life because good didn't cancel death because of Adam , and so bad doesn't cancel life given by Jesus. Isn't it? Therefore, the "gift" should come to all men regardless, right? So everyone gets resurrected from the dead (supposing you are with me till now) - how is it a "grace of God and the gift" - if some of us humans are waking up from our graves only to go for eternal hell fire? It's worse than just dying and going to our grave.
Now if you might argue that - no soul dies - then I have to ask you , why did Jesus die? - to save only our physical bodies....or to save our soul as well? and so there - did Adam's sin also mean that with our body , our soul will be in the punishment ?(since the argument is that soul can't die) but it will be in an awful place (hell) and Jesus saved us from just that. But then again...if in Adam all die (soul - and body ) , and am calling the death of soul as - second death because it's alive right? but in hell (that is second death as far as my knowledge is concerned) ...then in Jesus all live (soul and body) - and thus if the second death is what the death of the soul is in relation to Adam , doesn't it have to be exactly the opposite ( as per the verse given above - 1 corinthians) - and what can be opposite to the death I cited here? - Life. The verse says alive.

This has got me a bit on the edge and I need some strong point of views from my fellow Christians. Be free to correct me, wherever I am wrong.
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Both Adam and Eve sinned against God, Eve first, and both were cast out of his presence and sentenced to eventually die a physical death. That was the sentence given to their offspring too.

The second Adam, Jesus, who didn't sin, was called upon by God, His Father, to suffer and die as a sacrifice offered for all of mankind that believe He has done that for them, so that they can escape the punishment and ultimate death that all of Adam's offspring deserve.

Without faith in Jesus, and acceptance of what He has done for you, and your giving your loyalty to Him in following His example in how we must live, you will not have eternal life. Your eternal life is conditional on faith in and faithfulness towards Jesus. No human being or religious observance can give you that faith, only God can. The exercising of your faithfulness towards Him is up to you, that's something only you can do. We all slip up, but thanks be to God, if we grieve for our sinning and confess our sins to God, He is faithful and gracious to forgive and forget them.
 
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Runningman said:
That's a bit shortsighted and would ultimately lead to there being no reason to preach the gospel since His death would only be for those He foreknew, making the salvation of the foreknown completely an act of God. There would be nothing a mere man could do.

Jesus died for everyone and everyone has the chance to receive the gift of the salvation of their soul through faith.
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Calvinisms flaw is that man has no choice in the matter when truly the gospel is creating and offering us a choice
 
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ChristianTonyB said:
Both Adam and Eve sinned against God, Eve first, and both were cast out of his presence and sentenced to eventually die a physical death. That was the sentence given to their offspring too.

The second Adam, Jesus, who didn't sin, was called upon by God, His Father, to suffer and die as a sacrifice offered for all of mankind that believe He has done that for them, so that they can escape the punishment and ultimate death that all of Adam's offspring deserve.

Without faith in Jesus, and acceptance of what He has done for you, and your giving your loyalty to Him in following His example in how we must live, you will not have eternal life. Your eternal life is conditional on faith in and faithfulness towards Jesus. No human being or religious observance can give you that faith, only God can. The exercising of your faithfulness towards Him is up to you, that's something only you can do. We all slip up, but thanks be to God, if we grieve for our sinning and confess our sins to God, He is faithful and gracious to forgive and forget them.
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And eve are examples of what not to do and Jesus is an example of how to live.

Adam and Eve sinned and so have we all just as they did

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

adams sin was why he died and our sin is why we die.

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Adam changed our minds let corruption in good and evil now exist in and mind and heart a constant conflict of what to do

but each has his own sin they have committed coming from this fallen state of conflict caused by Adams transgression regarding forbidden knowledge which corrupted mans mind and heart

your right we have to turn to Jesus completely accept of course his death and resurrection but his words his teachings as well and begin to follow him just as man began to follow the knowledge of evil and became sinners condemned we can now follow the word of life and no condemnation To life we only do it though because we hear what he’s saying and actually believe it’s true

We talk a lot about what Jesus did dying and being raised up but this part promises life and no condemnation

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we reject his word of life we aren’t going to have any
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
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And eve are examples of what not to do and Jesus is an example of how to live.

Adam and Eve sinned and so have we all just as they did

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

adams sin was why he died and our sin is why we die.

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Adam changed our minds let corruption in good and evil now exist in and mind and heart a constant conflict of what to do

but each has his own sin they have committed coming from this fallen state of conflict caused by Adams transgression regarding forbidden knowledge which corrupted mans mind and heart

your right we have to turn to Jesus completely accept of course his death and resurrection but his words his teachings as well and begin to follow him just as man began to follow the knowledge of evil and became sinners condemned we can now follow the word of life and no condemnation To life we only do it though because we hear what he’s saying and actually believe it’s true

We talk a lot about what Jesus did dying and being raised up but this part promises life and no condemnation

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we reject his word of life we aren’t going to have any
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I thought it best to keep the explanation simple. No lengthy discussion needed.
 
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ChristianTonyB said:
I thought it best to keep the explanation simple. No lengthy discussion needed.
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yeah summary seems concise and short but lacks any understanding when it comes to actually understanding something.
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
yeah summary seems concise and short but lacks any understanding when it comes to actually understanding something.
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Irrespective if people think or claim they have acted perfectly throughout their lives or not, if they are not an offspring of Jesus, they will not have eternal life. That begs the question that the OP more or less asked, exactly who is, and I would like to add what does it mean to be, an 'offspring of Jesus' and a beneficiary of His love. I think my and other posters explanatory responses to her, that faith and faithfulness are essential for eternal life, seemed to adequately answer her question.
 
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Scarlett7297 said:
1 Corinthians 15:21-23 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
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Here is the key:
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

We're all born in Adam so we all die but, although it is true that 'so also in Christ all will be made alive,' not everyone is 'in Christ.'

The way you are reading it, it would've been worded as, "so all will be made alive in Christ"
However, the truth is that only all those "in Christ" are all made alive.
 
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