If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven like?

[Grace777x70]

Revilers are those that slander others in the body of Christ.

3034. [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]λοίδορος[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]loidoros[/FONT] noun

An abusive person, reviler, slanderer.

Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.

But what does Paul say concerning the Corinthians after his identification of the "unrighteous"? What does Paul call the righteous in Christ with their identity? It is found in the verse after 1 Cor. 6:10

1 Corinthians 6:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

But you were justified is being declared righteous because of Christ and you are now in Christ. Righteousness is a done deal in Christ.

 

[Stephen63]

If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will forgive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.

How can a person see this post as that of a troll when the part in blue & red is at the heart of the Op?

He's trying to get others to consider, & instead of considering, they're angry.

They have forgotten that it's good to have their toes stepped on.

 

[Depleted]

How can a person see this post as that of a troll when the part in blue & red is at the heart of the Op?

He's trying to get others to consider, & instead of considering, they're angry.

They have forgotten that it's good to have their toes stepped on.

Because of this:

I do the same thing as resurrection 33 ,I asked a question a few weeks ago( a perfectly valid question) and I asked nicely for only common sense quantifiable answers but instead I got mysticism and nonsense so I never went back because it's just a boring waste of time reading replies from people who don't know and use God to hide their ignorance.

Watch I'll start a new thread with the same questions and get the same results.

(A response found in Buddyt's requests for people to answer posts.)

It really does help to listen to people, rather than start posing your "significant counter" after 1-3 sentences.

 

[hornetguy]

How can a person see this post as that of a troll when the part in blue & red is at the heart of the Op?

He's trying to get others to consider, & instead of considering, they're angry.

They have forgotten that it's good to have their toes stepped on.

and, if you are referring to me, I did not call him a troll, I said his post was troll-like.... in other words, perhaps he should clarify, or reword it.

I understand having questions about salvation, but when you begin with "if there are going to be sinners in heaven, I don't want to be there".... it appears a bit antagonistic...

 

[TraySir]

I understand having questions about salvation, but when you begin with "if there are going to be sinners in heaven, I don't want to be there".... it appears a bit antagonistic...

I felt the same way. It feels somewhat sarcastic. That was my first impression.

 

[Miri]

There won't be any goats


Matthew 25:31-46 NKJV
[31] "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him,
then He will sit on the throne of His glory. [32] All the nations will be gathered before Him,
and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from
the goats. [33] And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

A better question - are you a sheep or a goat?

John 10:27-30 NKJV
[27] My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. [28] And I give
them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them
out of My hand. [29] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and
no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. [30] I and My Father are one."

 

[Stephen63]

and, if you are referring to me, I did not call him a troll, I said his post was troll-like.... in other words, perhaps he should clarify, or reword it.

I understand having questions about salvation, but when you begin with "if there are going to be sinners in heaven, I don't want to be there".... it appears a bit antagonistic...

And I didn't say you called him a troll.

How can a person see this post as that of a troll

I saw his post as someone sick & tired of hearing of the easy way to heaven..... but I could be wrong.

There is a difference between being sick of something & being antagonistic.

Maybe I'm speaking from my own thinking instead of his. I know I'm sick of hearing the easy heresy.

It's easy to think the wrong things about someone..... and even easier to see the wrong in them instead of ourselves.

 

[Magenta]

It seems ridiculous for anyone to complain that sinners have been forgiven.
It is a common atheist ploy to say things like, ewww, you are going to be in
heaven with Hitler. My response would always be, so what? I am glad that
there are no sins but one that Jesus will not forgive, and so should you be.

 

[FreeNChrist]

And I didn't say you called him a troll.



I saw his post as someone sick & tired of hearing of the easy way to heaven..... but I could be wrong.

There is a difference between being sick of something & being antagonistic.

Maybe I'm speaking from my own thinking instead of his. I know I'm sick of hearing the easy heresy.

It's easy to think the wrong things about someone..... and even easier to see the wrong in them instead of ourselves.

Right, cause everybody knows God doesn't really want to save people, so He's deliberately made it hard.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I think what I saw was a very weary and sorrowful man too. It caused him to say things that led me to believe he has not read enough of his bible yet or that in his distress, he forgot some things from it.

At first glance at the op you want to say, ah, he does not yet realize what Gods' definition of murder is. But then you stop and think, I can't help it sometimes when I hear or see something awful that someone has done to a person, or even to an animal, to begin thinking, yes, but I would never have done that. Even before I met Him, I would never have done something that awful. There was still something in me before I met Him that would have prevented me from torturing an animal or beating someone until they passed out. So it's a struggle common to all of us at times, I think, isn't it?

 

[notuptome]

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

All are condemned apart from Christ. All can be forgiven but not all will be forgiven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Stephen63]

It seems ridiculous for anyone to complain that sinners have been forgiven.
It is a common atheist ploy to say things like, ewww, you are going to be in
heaven with Hitler. My response would always be, so what? I am glad that
there are no sins but one that Jesus will not forgive, and so should you be.

I did a search for Hitler in the thread & didn't find it. Perhaps you were simply implying something.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

I believe this set the tone for the rest of the Op. It's a little vague, but if you read the posts in the BDF regularly, I think we can see where he's coming from. It sounds like he's talking about OSAS or hyp******e.

Actually, it's not where he's coming from that's bothering others..... it's where he's going with it.

 

[Issachar92]

I see so many people parroting this same thing

"well, people are evil in this world, so obviously if they arent perfect before they die, they will continue sinning in heaven"

You see this is where you people mess up

IN THE GLORIFIED STATE, THERE IS NO SIN, sin is of the FLESH, and when you are dead, you are no longer living in the FLESH, therefore you do not have the evil desires to sin.

Again, it amazes me that I see people TWICE my age come on here and not know the BASICS of Christianity, this is literally information that could be packed in one sunday sermon.

 

[Magenta]

Our sins are not going to follow us into the new life. We have been washed clean in the righteous blood of Jesus and will be wearing spotless robes. Even if Hitler and Jeffery Dahmer are in the renewed earth, all the old things will be remembered no more. The OP is trying to see the future world through the eyes of the fallen present and comes up with a distortion... as if he were spotless and nobody else was.

 

[Magenta]

I did a search for Hitler in the thread & didn't find it. Perhaps you were simply implying something.

I was not implying anything. I made a direct statement. I don't beat around the bush. It is a common ploy of atheists and other non believers to revile Christians and our promised life to come on the basis of who we may be spending eternity with. Do you understand now?

 

[Stephen63]

Again, I believe he's speaking from the OSAS or Hy*******e point of view, that once a person accepts Christ, they are forgiven & nothing they do after that will change anything, regardless of what sin they're committing.

Also, some think they can live like the devil all their lives, with a premeditated plan to repent on their deathbed.

Notta gonna happen either way.

 

[Stephen63]

I was not implying anything. I made a direct statement. I don't beat around the bush. It is a common ploy of atheists and other non believers to revile Christians and our promised life to come on the basis of who we may be spending eternity with. Do you understand now?

Don't be angry dear, I'm not trying to argue, but you've been implying he's an athiest, unless you're actually saying he is one. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[dcontroversal]

Those who are offended by the Grace being offered freely by the LORD Jesus Christ simply will not have it given to them.. It is a pure gift, the only type of Gift God would ever offer people..

1 Corinthians 1: KJV
22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: {23} But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; {24} But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. {25} Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."

Some people think the Way of salvation through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ is immoral a stumblingblock and react with anger to it.. Others think it is stupid / foolishness and respond with mocking derision...

AMEN.........

 

[Magenta]

Don't be angry dear, I'm not trying to argue, but you've been implying he's an athiest, unless you're actually saying he is one. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I am not angry and I already have corrected you but you insist on asserting that I am implying things I am not, and repeat your error even when corrected.

 

[Stephen63]

I am not angry and I already have corrected you but you insist on asserting that I am implying things I am not, and repeat your error even when corrected.

Then I apologize. What you said you meant.

The Op posted twice..... We don't know whether he's a troll starting a ruckus, or an agitated christian trying to speak his heart.

Either way we have a ruckus..... not because he egged it on, but because others egged it on as if he were a troublemaker.

Either way, he exposed something others didn't want talked about.

Isn't it something..... he could have been the Devil himself, & with 2 posts here we are showing our true colors.

Now I ask you all..... are we still forgiven, after all this? Or are some convicted, & needing to be forgiven?

We can be forgiven, if that's where we're at right now.

But make no mistake about it..... unless we truly repent, we wont be.