If I was a prophet ....

[Shilohsfoal]

Nope.

Natural Israel never became a holy nation. That’s why it is written “Not all Israel is Israel”.

Later, Peter wrote this to believers:

”But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.”

It should look familiar.
Also, this was not written to believing Jews, the Jews were always “a people”. This is written to gentile believers.

This is the promise spoken at Sinai now fully vested in those who are in Christ. It was always about children of promise not of a certain DNA.

Natural Israel has not become a holy nation yet.




Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


These are Israelis who are reigning with Christ over the nations in revelation 20 before Gog comes against them at the end of the millinium.


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.




This is the same Israel as seen in Ezekiel 38 occupying the land of Israel before Gog comes against them



Ezekiel 38

38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

 

[Cameron143]

So you believe the tribulation Jesus talks about in Mathew 10 that takes place before his coming took place in the first century?

May I ask,what year was the end when Jesus came in the first century?


Mathew 10

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

All authority was given to the Son. God's wrath was poured out on Israel in Jerusalem in 70 AD. Who do you believe was overseeing that?
Simply because human agency was employed by God to bring about an end doesn't mean God wasn't the One accomplishing His purposes in it.
God purposed to redeem humanity through the death of His Son. He did so through the scribes and Pharisees and Roman soldiers without ever limiting the choices they made. Paul wrote that he was a prisoner of the Lord, but it was again the Pharisees and the Romans who were the human agency that placed him there.
So I believe His return was in the first century and anyone who was spiritual would have recognized this...every spiritual eye would see Him. But I also believe He came and raptured His own before Jerusalem was destroyed. What this entailed I'm not sure of.

 

[Aaron56]

Natural Israel has not become a holy nation yet.




Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


These are Israelis who are reigning with Christ over the nations in revelation 20 before Gog comes against them at the end of the millinium.


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.




This is the same Israel as seen in Ezekiel 38 occupying the land of Israel before Gog comes against them



Ezekiel 38

38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Holiness is only possible in Christ.

The reason they should speak it, if they did, was to keep the expectation of Christ alive among them.

When Christ returns then all who are in Christ shall dwell peacefully in all the lands.

 

[Aaron56]

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

You also never addressed why YOU think Peter, a Jew in the flesh, wrote the Exodus passage to non-Jewish believers.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people…”

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You also never addressed why YOU think Peter, a Jew in the flesh, wrote the Exodus passage to non-Jewish believers.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people…”

Not the people in this verse.Those first century gentiles were never confronted with the beast,it's image or the mark of the beast.

Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Aaron56]

Not the people in this verse.Those first century gentiles were never confronted with the beast,it's image or the mark of the beast.

Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Why do you exclude them?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Why do you exclude them?

As I have already said .The people in these verses are all Israelis who do not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark.Ive learned that the Israeli government is the beast.The false prophet should be arriving in Israel in about another year to decieve everyone and make an image to the beast and cause everyone in Israel to receive the Israeli governments mark.You can read about these
saints in revelation 20 throughout the old and new testaments.


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.





This has nothing to do with first century gentile christians . Babylon is about to fall.Between a year to two ,the Israelis will be marked.After Trump is reelected




Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

 

[Aaron56]

As I have already said .The people in these verses are all Israelis who do not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark.Ive learned that the Israeli government is the beast.The false prophet should be arriving in Israel in about another year to decieve everyone and make an image to the beast and cause everyone in Israel to receive the Israeli governments mark.You can read about these
saints in revelation 20 throughout the old and new testaments.


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.





This has nothing to do with first century gentile christians . Babylon is about to fall.Between a year to two ,the Israelis will be marked.After Trump is reelected




Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

You forgot to include Israel in Israel. Israel = all children of promise = all in Christ.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You forgot to include Israel in Israel. Israel = all children of promise = all in Christ.

I'm including exactly who the word of God says.
This verse does not include every Christian that has ever lived.It only concerns those who died for their testimony of Jesus and who did not worship the beast or it's image ,nor did they receive its mark.

This is a very specific group of people .

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



How many people that have ever lived on this planet can say they have fulfilled all of those accomplishments?

You?

 

[Aaron56]

I'm including exactly who the word of God says.
This verse does not include every Christian that has ever lived.It only concerns those who died for their testimony of Jesus and who did not worship the beast or it's image ,nor did they receive its mark.

This is a very specific group of people .

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



How many people that have ever lived on this planet can say they have fulfilled all of those accomplishments?

You?

Believing that the Israeli government is the Beast is where this doctrine goes off the rails.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Believing that the Israeli government is the Beast is where this doctrine goes off the rails.

Like I said.That is something I have learned .Many people just don't know it yet.
It's the Israeli government that is imprisoning the saints in Israel in the following verse.

Daniel 11:33
“Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

The armed forces of the north which is given to the beast in Daniel 11:31 is the second beast of revelation 13.It is at that time that anyone preaching the gospel in Israel or warning against the mark of the beast is imprisoned or killed for their testimony of Jesus or for the word of God..Note Daniel 11:33 says they are imprisoned and killed for giving instruction.That is the only thing they do.Give instruction.
The Israeli government continues to govern till Daniel 11:40 when the countries around Israel overcome the armed forces stationed there.Tjis corresponds to revelation 11 when the beast from the abyss attacks and kills the two witnesses and the two witnesses being brought back to life in Daniel 12:2.

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.



Israel does not have a constitution .Anyone can be imprisoned for any reason without being charged with a crime for 5 years.