If it's not good for man to be alone then why does it always feel like I'm alone?

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Genesis 2:18: 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.

Okay, I have social anxiety disorder and crappy social skills. I do have a few friends that I really get to talk to or hang out with since they are pretty much all in out of state college. I have some other friends from a Bible study I goto, but I'm not that close them. I've been praying for friends, but my prayers aren't being answered. It's just lonely and depressing with things being this way. Anyone have any suggestions that could help out?
 

pickles

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Sometimes we become so focased on what we want or do not have that the fear is what gets in the way. The solution can often be found in giving to others what we seek and want for ourselves. Such as, visiting people that are in care facilities. Old folks homes. By giving to others the gift of company God will bless you with that which you seek yourself.
God bless, pickles
 
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Genesis 2:18: 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.

Okay, I have social anxiety disorder and crappy social skills. I do have a few friends that I really get to talk to or hang out with since they are pretty much all in out of state college. I have some other friends from a Bible study I goto, but I'm not that close them. I've been praying for friends, but my prayers aren't being answered. It's just lonely and depressing with things being this way. Anyone have any suggestions that could help out?
As I have posted elsewhere...

The man was busy doing his God given life's work....

....for which he needed a helper.

Are you?

I am still working on mine.
 

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Sometimes we become so focased on what we want or do not have that the fear is what gets in the way. The solution can often be found in giving to others what we seek and want for ourselves. Such as, visiting people that are in care facilities. Old folks homes. By giving to others the gift of company God will bless you with that which you seek yourself.
God bless, pickles

Agreed!! You probably feel so alone because you focus on it a LOT.

Contentment should be something strived for no matter our circumstances.


"Happiness is a feeling we have based off a change in our circumstances that brought it about. Joy on the other hand, is found through our relationship with Christ REGUARDLESS of our circumstances."

Try seeking Joy instead of happiness.

 
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Sometimes feelings of loneliness are a symptom of depression. This seems like something beyond the ability of people on a web forum to help you deal with.
 
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Sometimes feelings of loneliness are a symptom of depression. This seems like something beyond the ability of people on a web forum to help you deal with.
I'm already on meds for depression.
 
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When I feel alone or depressed I usually start to turn on worship music and start praising God. I intentionally find all the things I can be thankful for.

I have found that the more I focus on my problem, the bigger and more powerful it becomes. You will empower whatever you focus on. So, in order for me to get out of it I need to turn my attention to God in praise and thanksgiving. This always ushers in the Presence of God into the room, and this peace comes in and I feel a lot better. Sometimes I have to be extremely stubborn at making sure I have a thankful heart towards Him. If you've never experienced this, try it.

Psalm 100:4(NASB)
Enter His gates with thanksgiving And His courts with praise. Give thanks to Him, bless His name.

Another interesting verse:

Psalm 22:3(NASB)
Yet You are holy, O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.

He actually sits enthroned on the praises of His people.

As you can see I refer to Psalms when I am feeling discouraged. I will read the Psalms until I hear my cry to God while I am reading. This is when I know that my heart is fully connected to Him in prayer and that I've arrived where I need to be.

Hope this helps.

Blessings!
 
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Never give into your conditions as they will consume you fully, always know that there is a positive change that can & will occur, you just have to have faith. God is always there for us even when we feel alone, he only wants the best for us & we shall have nothing but the best when we put him first in our lives. Granted you may not have many friends & or a significant other (yet) don't let that discourage you; Give into God's plan & cast your troubles on him & he will surely bring you happiness.
 
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Okay, I have social anxiety disorder and crappy social skills. I do have a few friends that I really get to talk to or hang out with since they are pretty much all in out of state college. I have some other friends from a Bible study I goto, but I'm not that close them. I've been praying for friends, but my prayers aren't being answered. It's just lonely and depressing with things being this way. Anyone have any suggestions that could help out?

Hi! Sometimes Ifeel like a broken record. Telling people I've had the same sickness or problem they have. I used to have social anxiety disorder very bad. But not any more. So theres hope for you and you can get rid of it just like me. As I read peoples stories and see all their sicknesses and problems I think my God I used to have that or that and I am so thankful to God that he helped me over come so many awful things. For one thing you have to say everyday that satan has to pay you back 7 times for everything he has stolen from you. You have to say everyday that you don't have social disoders, you are not lonely, you have to call the things which are not as if they are so. That which you don't see you say it is all healed, I am healed! You declair it and God can make it so. You saying you are healed makes the power of God come and alive and work for you. We are not to be lonely. God says he is to fill all our needs. Keep thanking God that he is going to send you a very special person and ask him to help you be happy as you wait. Wanting to have someone so bad turns into being lustful and we are not to be like that. Be of good cheer. You must learn how to keep your spirit up. That is a job you must work on all the time. I know all will go well for you. The favor of our Lord Jesus Christ to you, Love
 
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I know someone with GAD and OCD

I know something about it.

The causes of Depression include Guilt and Fear and something else I haven't totally nailed.

The other thing is related to discontentedness and ingratitude but i think I have not got to the core issue there. I would appreciate some input.
 
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Genesis 2:18: 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.

Okay, I have social anxiety disorder and crappy social skills. I do have a few friends that I really get to talk to or hang out with since they are pretty much all in out of state college. I have some other friends from a Bible study I goto, but I'm not that close them. I've been praying for friends, but my prayers aren't being answered. It's just lonely and depressing with things being this way. Anyone have any suggestions that could help out?
Cool, I also have SAD and crappy social skills. Now, I'm naturally skeptic that someone can have SAD and have it just go away. If that's the case that's probably not what was wrong in the first place. I prayed pretty hard for 9 years for it to go away. Now, I also don't want to get into the trap that just because it didn't happen for me than it won't happen for anyone, that's not what I mean. What I am saying, is that after I was diagnosed, it was in the middle of one of the loneliness times in my life. Two years before I was diagnosed I had forgotten what lonliness felt like. I had a lot of sucess with meds, so SAD doesn't really hold me back anymore. Not everyone has had that kind of sucess, so I don't want to be too self-referential. I find that I still struggle with shyness, and I find a lot of situations intimidating. Like, it took me months to work up the courage to send my boss an e-mail asking for a raise, and my boss is the nicest boss I've ever had. However, when I take my meds I no longer have phsycial anxiety attacks, and that's what really makes a difference.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is this: God never healed my SAD (unless you count my incredible sucess with meds healing) but He did something better. He provided me with a Christian community that I felt so comfortable in their presence this SAD wasn't an issue. And because they were so loving, even if I did have an anxiety attack, I wasn't afraid to be vulnerable in front of them. So what I'm trying to say is this: based on my own experiences, social anxiety disorder didn't hold me back from getting close to people. Having it treated helps a lot when it comes to meeting new people, but it's not everything.

I think I know what's holding you back being close even more than your SAD. It's your culture. Mine is similar. We have a culture that loves privacy and individuality and it makes it ok to just to know people on a superficial basis. I think we're too quick to judge others who have bad social skills (which is unfair to people like us). God's meant us to be closer, but... I'm not sure how we should go about that. I think that if someone is not married, they should live in community with others of the same sex. Or possibly even in a mixed environment. Like, I think it would be great if all of us single people lived in a house with other singles that was like a family. Making communal meals, studying the Bible together and being there for each other emotionally. But, although I think that would be nice, I fall into the cultural traps that I believe are making you feel so alone. Like, first of all, I'd worry that it wouldn't be close enough to my work, which would lengthen my commute. I'd have to really focus on being neat, not something I'm good at. I'd worry about whether there was enough space for my belongings. I'd worry about having to make dinner on nights when I didn't feel like it. I'd worry about having to split a grocery a bill with poeple who ate more than I did. I'd worry that others would be wanting to use the TV when my favourite program was on. I'd worry that they'd come home in the middle of the night drunk when I was trying to sleep (that's happened to me before). And most of all, I'd worry that they'd get mad at me for little things.
 
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So basically, what I would have to do in order to live in community would be this: I'd have to remember that living in community is more important than posessions, TV and a short commute. Compromises would have to be made and I'd have to really focus on being considerate. Others would have to be forgiving with me and remember that people are more important than having living conditions a certain way. Like I've had roommates that really freaked out if I left a library book in the living room or something and that's kind of keeps us distant from others. Like, I've been really close to former roommates, but then there are others that I got along with well but their attitude was like "this is my appartment and you're just here to help me pay the rent" and I had an attitude like "I'm only here because I can't afford my own appartment." I've never lived with others with the attitude that I can afford to live on my own but I'm choosing to live in community. The truth about me is that as soon as I could afford to live on my own I got my own appartment and I've been living on my own ever since. So if I'm lonely it's my own fault. I'm also not part of a small group. Again my own fault. It's something on my to do list.
 
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I'm starting to wonder if maybe your church is the cause of your anxieties. I don't know what's going on in your life, but it seems like you often come here with questions about your struggles in relating with God. I know the church I grew up in could make the Pope himself feel like a monster.

Perhaps you should find a new church, Dothackzero?
 
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This forum does alot of good with giving advice and mixing it in a spiritual way. It seems like you are putting alot of the help you want on g-d and hoping that he gives upon you what you ask. I dont know about you guys but I know g-d works in ways we dont understand sometimes. What I do know is that the combination of faith, family and ability to never give up is a tripod for me that can achieve most anything. The point being that alot of effort needs to be put into all three of these. I cant quote enough stories from the bible where challenges are put forth in front of people as a test by g-d, the key is to never give up hold tight onto your morals and beliefs and keep trying. Only one pereson on the forum can do this and that is you..
 
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There a difference between being lonely and alone. Adam was alone but not lonely. I do not know if you belong to a small group bible study or not. The key is to serve the living God. Find out what your spiritual gift is and use it for the kingdom.
 
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There a difference between being lonely and alone. Adam was alone but not lonely. I do not know if you belong to a small group bible study or not. The key is to serve the living God. Find out what your spiritual gift is and use it for the kingdom.
I am in a Bible study, I just don't know how to make good and close friends. Anyway, I think God gave me the gift of programming...
 
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I find this thread very disturbing. If all you were doing was asking for advice on how you could meet more Christians that would be one thing. If you were trying to start a discussion on why there are so many lonley Christians in society when the Bible so strongly emphasies that we're meant to be close with each other. But you say that you have social anxiety disorder. So no one can give you advice on social interaction without a sophisticated understanding of social anxiety disorder. Now, I have that condition myself but my understanding of both the disorder and of you is not enough to give you any advice. See, I know what it's like to suffer from the condition, I know what it's like to go 9 years and feel like God's not answering prayers about the condition, but I don't know what worked for me will work for you. Let me rephrase that, I know for a fact that what worked for me won't work for every SAD sufferer. Treatment for this condition has to be very individual. Psychiatrists treat it with a combination of drug therapy and cognitive therapy. I read in Scientific American that psychiatrists in the US are doing much less cognitive (talk) therapy than they used to because the insurance companies are more reluctant to pay for the latter. Now of course, as a Canadian that's not an issue for me, if my shrink thinks I'd benefit from cogntive therapy, I can get it, I just might have to wait longer for an appointment. However, I don't think I'd find it very helpful. First of all, my meds treat it so well that there's nothing left for cognitive therapy to treat. Seconldy, I find that thinking and behaviour have no effect on my condition, so changing them wouldn't change anything.
 
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I'm starting to wonder if maybe your church is the cause of your anxieties. I don't know what's going on in your life, but it seems like you often come here with questions about your struggles in relating with God. I know the church I grew up in could make the Pope himself feel like a monster.

Perhaps you should find a new church, Dothackzero?
His church is not causing his anxiety. He has social anxiety disorder. That's a medical condition. This is why people should not seek medical advice on internet forums, espcially those that aren't even specific to such a condition. The church could trigger his condition such as if they make him stand up and talk in front of everyone and if this is what's happening then he should definitly find a church that doesn't pressure him to preform like. But if he's not having sucess with his treatment then he'll likely struggle with social anxiety disorder at any church that has people which (by definition of course) is every church. What bothers me is that you don't seem to know anything about social anxiety disorder and you don't seem to know acknowledge that. It's not that you know what it is but you nonetheless think there is a spiritual reason for it or something, it's that really don't seem to know what it is. If I said I had swine flu you wouldn't say "I don't think that the H1N1 virus caused your teeth to turn blue, I think it's a spiritual problem." I'd reply that blue teeth aren't a symptom of swine flu or any other condition to my knowledge, the symptoms are fever, body aches, dry cough etc. If you didn't know what swine flu was to begin with how would I take your theories on cause seriously?

Let me tell you what social anxiety disorder is
According to the DSM-IV-TR[8], to be diagnosed with Social Phobia all these criteria (A-H) must be met:
A. A marked and persistent fear of one or more social performance situations in which the person is exposed to unfamiliar people or to possible scrutiny by others. The individual fears that he or she will act in a way (or show anxiety symptoms) that will be humiliating or embarrassing. Note: In children, there must be evidence of the capacity for age-appropriate social relationships with familiar people and the anxiety must occur in peer settings, not just in interactions with adults.
B. Exposure to the social or performance situation almost invariably provokes an immediate anxiety response. This response may take the form of a situationally bound or situationally people predisposed Panic Attack. Note: In children, the anxiety may be expressed by crying, tantrums, freezing, or shrinking from social situations with unfamiliar people.
C. The person recognizes that their fear is excessive or unreasonable. Note: In children, this feature may be absent.
D. The social or performance situation is avoided, although it is sometimes endured with dread (intense anxiety or distress).
E. The avoidance, anxious anticipation of, or distress in, the feared social or performance situation interferes significantly with the person's normal routine, occupational (academic) functioning, social life, or if the person is markedly distressed about having the phobia.
F. In individuals under age 18 years, the duration is at least 6 months.
G. The fear or avoidance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition and is not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., Panic Disorder, Separation Anxiety Disorder, Body Dysmorphic Disorder, a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, or Schizoid Personality Disorder).
H. If a general medical condition or another mental disorder is present, the fear in Criterion A or the avoidance in Criterion D, is unrelated to it (e.g., the fear is not of Stuttering, trembling in Parkinson's disease, or exhibiting abnormal eating behavior in Anorexia Nervosa).
Specify if:
Generalized: if the fears include most social situations (also consider the additional diagnosis of Avoidant Personality Disorder).

In other words if this was caused by his church then there was a misdiagnosis.
 
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This forum does alot of good with giving advice and mixing it in a spiritual way. It seems like you are putting alot of the help you want on g-d and hoping that he gives upon you what you ask. I dont know about you guys but I know g-d works in ways we dont understand sometimes. What I do know is that the combination of faith, family and ability to never give up is a tripod for me that can achieve most anything. The point being that alot of effort needs to be put into all three of these. I cant quote enough stories from the bible where challenges are put forth in front of people as a test by g-d, the key is to never give up hold tight onto your morals and beliefs and keep trying. Only one pereson on the forum can do this and that is you..
Advice is good depending on what it is and who is giving it. Awhile ago I appealed to married people on the family forum to give advice to the singles forum. Basically I was saying asking "as a married person, what do you want singles to know?" They didn't need any kind of credentials to give advice other than to be married. But it's different when it comes to giving advice on a medical condition such as social anxiety disorder.

Please imagine a situation for me: your appendix is about to explode and you need an emergency operation. The guy in the operating room says to you "I've never done or a observed surgery before. I've never been to medical school or even studied the human body outside of high school. But I know the Bible inside and out, I'll try my best and I'll pray that God will show me exactly what to do." Would you let him do the operation? I'm guessing no because you recognize that although an operation is necessary to save your life, an operation done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing will quite likely kill you. The same goes for people who are suffering from mental illness. In my college ethics course we had to analyse this statement: "With my psychology degree I feel qualified to council people with mental illness." The answer of course is that one can feel qualified but that doesn't make it ethical or legal for them to council people professionally. So, in order for one to be a professional counsellor one has to have membership in a professional association which will let them in based on their credentials (and possibly experience and referrals) and they will let them practice to the extent that they are qualified. So, a doctor may be qualified to do family practice, but despite knowing about orthopedic surgery, the physicians association (I think here it's called the Canadian College of Physicians or something) won't let them do orthopedic surgery unless they meet the qualifications. And if the physicians attempts to do something beyond their qualifications the college will bring about disciplinary action and if they get kicked out they can't work as doctors. It's like Dr. Phil. He is not legally allowed to charge people to council them. That's because he's not a member of the clinical psychologists' professional association in California. He used to practice in Texas under their association but he left (in good standing) to do the TV show. He's qualified to do the counseling he does on TV because of his PhD, and he follows the ethical guidelines he would if he were practicing, and part of that is being accountable to other professionals such as his PhD supervisor who works for the show. Why all these elaborate standards? Because people who seek the help of psychologists are in vulnerable position, just like a surgery patient and bad advice is very dangerous. My ethics prof said the number one goal of the helping professions is do no harm, after that you try to do some good.

The same goes for Christians who are suffering from serious or chronic illnesses because they, we, believe in a living Christ who was constantly healing people who asked. When you worsen or go for years without healing, you start to wonder if it's something you've done or if you're just not praying enough or what the problem is. When they hear someone say "I had faith and I was healed." Does that give them hope or does that make them discouraged? When prayers go unanswered it's easy to struggle with doubt. When people tell you or imply that if your faith was as strong as theirs you'd be healed, it just makes you struggle more. Of course, we can't say for sure what God's plans are for other people's lives. We know for a fact that when you pray and ask Jesus into your life that that prayer is answered, but beyond that there's no way we can tell for sure. I remember at one point I prayed that if God isn't willing to heal me than I wanted Him to use me a person who's struggled with mental illness. And of course He has done that and I've been able to serve Him in a way that I wouldn't if I was neurotypical. It's hard to admit that the unanswered prayer is a good thing because it's not the way I would have wanted it. But God's ways are not our ways.
 
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