IF 'THE DEAD' don't rise then who do we rule and reign over?

[Live4Him3]

ANYWAYS,

You see it as only the army, I see it as the whole world. Is there something else we differ on? Reading your post I thought I could have written it so I think I am missing the problem. I just thought I would address this till you let me know.

I see it as only the army because that exactly who it is, IN CONTEXT.

Where does the following mention "the whole world" in relation to who the fowls are feasting upon?

Revelation chapter 19

[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[21] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

In verses 17 and 18, "the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven" are summoned "together unto the supper of the great God", and we read how "all the fowls were filled with their flesh" in verse 21. The "flesh" that they're "filled with" is described for us plainly in verses 18-21, and it is NOT the flesh "of the whole world". Instead, it is the flesh of "the beast, and the kings of the earth" and their armies" who are gathered together against Christ at the battle of Armageddon.

That's reality, and the following verses confirm this reality, even as I've already documented in a previous post, because there are still nations here upon the earth after this that both Christ and his saints shall reign and rule over for 1000 years.

Deal with it.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I've learned that I don't reign with christ for the 1000 years. It doesn't bother me that I won't because Ive also learned what those who do go through.
It is those who were killed for thier witness of christ and who did not worship the beast or its image or recieved its mark that reigns with christ those 1000 years.
I've also learned I don't live in the kingdom of the beast and I will not be subject to those things.
I feel the saints in Israel deserve thier reward for Id hate to live a life as they will and I would most certainly hatey life as they will hate thier even to death.

The Israelis who will reign with Christ suffer greatly for thier faith. They shall reign over the nations in the promised land who were saved during great tribulation. The great multitude john wrote about in Revelation.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-2.htm

Isaiah mentioned Israel reigning in the Lord's land as well. Like I said before. I feel those saints deserve it. Jesus spoke of thier tribulation in the gospel. I can't say that I envy them.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Jesus will rule the earth with the saints for 1000 years before the final judgement.. The great destruction and death that will come upon the earth during the times of the LORDs return will not Kill every human being on earth.. There will be survivors.. It is these survivors that Christians will rule over with Jesus..

The survivors who live in the Lord's land are Christians. No one who is not a Christian will live in the Lord's land.
But it is the saints in Israel who followed the Lamb (followed Jesus instructions in the gospel) and suffered for it who reign with Christ in the promised land.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Why is it so important to you that you will become a ruler?

Being in charge is a LOT of work. I personally plan to spend my days in Heaven relaxing and living. Ruling is not relaxing. Servant leadership is not just a buzzword. It's really work. Integrating various skill sets to accomplish tasks together and in sequence without creating a disaster.

It's project management, human resource management, coordination between groups, and planning for personal growth of all involved...to accomplish huge tasks.
I plan on eating fruit and fishing.

I've read there will be plenty of fish in the dead sea in the future. Alot of good fishing there.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

So again, my question, IF THE DEAD DON'T RISE who do we rule and reign over?

The dead will rise in Israel.
And the dead who died for thier testimony of Jesus who did not worship the beast or its image, or recieve its mark will reign with Christ over those who were saved during great tribulation.
The borders of Israel will extend from the euphrates river to the Nile. All of the survivors of the nations who attacked Jerusalem will be washed clean. But they do not reign over those who sufferd death because of thier testimony of Jesus.
It's the other way around.

 

[kleronomos]

The Christians "which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent" or PRECEDE (which is what this Old English word means) "them which are asleep" (vs. 15) or "the dead in Christ" who "shall rise first" (vs. 16). This first rising is a resurrection from the dead, so, again, what in the world are you talking about when you say "Notice there is no "resurrection of the dead" tied in with this group"?

Yes, there most certainly is, so, again, you don't know what you're talking about.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

WELL, DO YOU?

If you do, then HOW do you have EVERYONE who 'NEVER DIES' - BEING RESURRECTED OUT FROM THE DEAD?

WOULDN'T THEY BE RESURRECTED 'OUT FROM THE LIVING', IF THERE WERE SUCH A THING? (BUT they can't as there is none. The living NEVER DIED and continued on living in heaven with the Lord and are returning with Him. JUST LIKE PAUL WROTE - EVEN SO THEM)

It seems REALLY basic to me. If there was IN FACT a 'delay' OF ETERNAL LIFE,

then JESUS COULD NOT HAVE USED THE WORDS NEVER DIE.

a body WITHOUT a soul and a spirit is dead. It is DUST. A carcass. THERE is NOT ONE WORD any where in the words of GOD that say 'DEAD flesh' will be resurrected. IF THERE WERE, CHAPTER AND VERSE would POST IT in the VERY NEXT POST.

Of course, WE ARE NOT SPEAKING OF JESUS ENOCH OR ELIJAH. We also are not bringing up those who came out of the graves BECAUSE IT ISN'T WRITTEN WHAT BODY THEY WERE IN, earthy or heavenly though we know what is sown is not the body that is raised.

It is man WHO takes those Christ willingly died HIMSELF to save FROM DEATH, and puts them right back IN THE GRAVE. CHRIST tasted death for everyone, paid THE RANSOM, PAID THE PENALTY, WASHED THEM CLEAN, MADE THEM to be WITHOUT SIN, SETTING THEM FREE from the bondage of death and here we are today, teaching ALL HE DID WAS OF NO EFFECT. Being saved is no different than not being saved is it? EVERYONE STILL DIES and waits until He returns to live again. HOW SAD.





THIS IS WHAT NEVER DIES LOOKS LIKE
1. When the 'flesh body' dies the spirit/soul leaves it and is transferred into a SPIRITUAL body rises and GOES TO BE WHERE HE IS.
a. He is in heaven
b. Even so them
c. Never dies
d. a bare grain, WHEAT grain
e. a body as HE sees fit
f. every seed a body
g. returns with Him
h. living dont stop those who's flesh has died from going to be with the Lord IN HEAVEN WITH THE GOD OF THE LIVING.



THIS IS WHAT 'DIES' AND RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD LOOKS LIKE
a. not saved, dies, goes into grave, resurrected FROM THE DEAD WHEN HE RETURNS FROM HEAVEN
b. don't go to be where He is in heaven, go to hell
c. go to where the unsaved dead are
d. A BARE GRAIN from the flesh body will make up the spiritual body that rises from the dead, some other seed
e. a body as HE sees fit - every seed a body
f. awaiting until HIS RETURN at the 2nd advent to be resurrected.


With 'NEVER DIES' AS THE DEFINITION of THE 2ND EXAMPLE what words would be used for the first?



THESE ARE THE MOST BASIC LOGICAL THOUGHTS POSSIBLE. I don't understand the DISCONNECT. REGARDLESS OF WHAT anyone was ever taught, how is it the most basic common sense application doesn't hit like a hammer? I don't get it. It is like talking to a bunch of people who have been hypnotized into believing something that ISN'T EVEN POSSIBLE, IS, while at the same time KEEP TELLING me I don't know what I am talking about.

I am told over and over and over again that those who NEVER DIE, are in fact, DEAD RIGHT NOW. Some have been dead for thousands of years.


How would that work. does If I said to you,

I promise you will never be homeless, and then you found yourself without a home and living amongst everyone else who had no home but when I came back I gave you a home.

Would what I promised you be the truth or a lie?

You will always be employed yet you are at the unemployment office amongst everyone else looking for a job. Even if I come and offer you the best job ever in 10 years would you have always been employed?

Your husband/wife promises to always be faithful and never leave yet they leave and go marry another but in 50 years return to marry you again. WOULD they have always been faithful to you?

I could do this for days and days AND NOTHING EVER WOULD ever ring true, yet some how, when it comes to GODS words it is defended like it is the most true thing ever.


Living then pause that living for some dead time, then come BACK TO LIFE. Does that equate to Never die, or die and live again?


So go ahead and tell me again I don't know what I am talking about because if KNOWING means believing those sorts of things I want no part of it.



The other thing
CAN ANYONE WHO HAS NOT BEEN SAVED AKA 'UNJUST' be RESURRECTED to RECEIVE IMMORTALITY/ETERNAL SALVATION?

or

DOES ONE HAVE TO 'BE SAVED' TO RECEIVE IMMORTALITY/ETERNAL SALVATION?


Hopefully you answered with YES, ONE MUST BE SAVED TO RECEIVE IMMORTALITY. SO when 'the UNJUST DEAD' are

resurrected, THEY CAN'T GO MEET JESUS IN THE AIR BECAUSE all who do meet the Lord in the air are EVER WITH THE LORD. AKA IMMORTAL.


NONE OF THE DEAD WHO ARE RESURRECTED HAVE ever been saved or they would not be dead. We also know the dead don't stand in judgment until the GWTJ.

The 'dead', didn't stand before the judgment seat of Christ when they died. They went to hell.

They are dead. They did not receive the gift of salvation so they weren't SAVED FROM DEATH. Therefore they have been dead and will be dead until Christ returns.

Those who have received the gift of Salvation never die. They go to be with the Lord where He is. ALIVE and in heaven and going to return on the Lords day to continue on living. And we know the way. HE IS THE WAY. HE IS OUR SALVATION.



The dead having never received the gift of Salvation need to be schooled. They need a priest. Thank God He has provided priests for the next 1000 years to help them if they so choose.
At the end of the 1000 years they will stand in judgment.

SOME will be found in the book of life. THE SECOND RESURRECTION
Some will be found in the lake of fire. THE 2ND DEATH.


Summary

the unsaved dead aren't resurrected to sit on thrones they are resurrected to be taught by the priests ruling and reigning with the Lord until they are judged at the GWTJ when they will either receive immortal life or Lake of fire death.

while the saved never die and return with Christ and the alive and remaining will be joined with them to reign with the Lord for the Lords day. They do not stand at the GWTJ having stood before Christ when they went to be where He is.

So spread the good news, if you don't ever want to die, come hear the words of GOD.

 

[kleronomos]

I see it as only the army because that exactly who it is, IN CONTEXT.

Where does the following mention "the whole world" in relation to who the fowls are feasting upon?

Revelation chapter 19

[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[21] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

In verses 17 and 18, "the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven" are summoned "together unto the supper of the great God", and we read how "all the fowls were filled with their flesh" in verse 21. The "flesh" that they're "filled with" is described for us plainly in verses 18-21, and it is NOT the flesh "of the whole world". Instead, it is the flesh of "the beast, and the kings of the earth" and their armies" who are gathered together against Christ at the battle of Armageddon.

That's reality, and the following verses confirm this reality, even as I've already documented in a previous post, because there are still nations here upon the earth after this that both Christ and his saints shall reign and rule over for 1000 years.

Deal with it.

[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.



[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

[18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them,

YES, and the FLESH OF CAPTAINS, MIGHTY MEN, HORSE AND RIDERS

and

WE CONTINUE ON WITH WHOS' FLESH IS FOR SUPPER AND WE READ

and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

SO, NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE SHOWN, YOU HAVE ONLY SHOWN WHAT ' DOCTRINE' YOU FOLLOW AND IT'S REQUIREMENTS

The army isn't all that is listed, IT IS ALL YOU SEE.

You can say it and say it and say it but it wont change what is clearly written.



AND CONTINUING ON

[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[21] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


DO YOU SEE, THE KINGS OF THE EARTH. YOU ARE RIGHT THE WORD WHOLE ISN'T WRITTEN.


Even though WE don't get the WHOLE WORLD HERE,

We do GET THE WHOLE WORLD HERE

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[kleronomos]

The dead will rise in Israel.
And the dead who died for thier testimony of Jesus who did not worship the beast or its image, or recieve its mark will reign with Christ over those who were saved during great tribulation.
The borders of Israel will extend from the euphrates river to the Nile. All of the survivors of the nations who attacked Jerusalem will be washed clean. But they do not reign over those who sufferd death because of thier testimony of Jesus.
It's the other way around.

The dead will rise in Israel? Where is that written? Why would the Lord want the dead in Israel?



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.


Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


No where does it say that any of these were from the 'dead' that resurrected when Christ returned.

THE THEY THAT SAT UPON THE THRONES ARE THE SOULS WHO RETURNED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIM.

They were seen under the altar waiting for the rest of the martyrs to be killed.

So we clearly know where martyrs go and that is NOT IN THE EARTH but up to heaven.

And the rest are the alive and remaining who were changed.


YET NOT ONE HINT AS ANY OF THEM BEING RESURRECTED out from the dead in the earth. Those whos flesh died, rose. How do we know this? it is what we read in 1 Thess amongst other places

1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


SO WHERE DO THE SAVED GO?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.




Do you think some went to heaven and the others went to HELL? or do you think they waited for their fellow servants to come meet them in heaven, TO RETURN WITH THEM?

AFTER ALL NEVER DIE..........MOST LIKELY means never die


John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.


John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.


John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?



John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

WHERE IS THE LORD?


John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

John 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

John 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

WHEN JESUS HAD SPOKEN THOSE WORDS.....

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The dead will rise in Israel? Where is that written? Why would the Lord want the dead in Israel?



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.


Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


No where does it say that any of these were from the 'dead' that resurrected when Christ returned.

THE THEY THAT SAT UPON THE THRONES ARE THE SOULS WHO RETURNED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIM.

They were seen under the altar waiting for the rest of the martyrs to be killed.

So we clearly know where martyrs go and that is NOT IN THE EARTH but up to heaven.

And the rest are the alive and remaining who were changed.


YET NOT ONE HINT AS ANY OF THEM BEING RESURRECTED out from the dead in the earth. Those whos flesh died, rose. How do we know this? it is what we read in 1 Thess amongst other places

1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


SO WHERE DO THE SAVED GO?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.




Do you think some went to heaven and the others went to HELL? or do you think they waited for their fellow servants to come meet them in heaven, TO RETURN WITH THEM?

AFTER ALL NEVER DIE..........MOST LIKELY means never die


John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.


John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.


John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?



John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

WHERE IS THE LORD?


John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

John 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

John 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

WHEN JESUS HAD SPOKEN THOSE WORDS.....

Do I really need to quote scripture showing you the DEAD in christ rise?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The dead will rise in Israel? Where is that written? Why would the Lord want the dead in Israel?



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.


Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


No where does it say that any of these were from the 'dead' that resurrected when Christ returned.

THE THEY THAT SAT UPON THE THRONES ARE THE SOULS WHO RETURNED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIM.

They were seen under the altar waiting for the rest of the martyrs to be killed.

So we clearly know where martyrs go and that is NOT IN THE EARTH but up to heaven.

And the rest are the alive and remaining who were changed.


YET NOT ONE HINT AS ANY OF THEM BEING RESURRECTED out from the dead in the earth. Those whos flesh died, rose. How do we know this? it is what we read in 1 Thess amongst other places

1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


SO WHERE DO THE SAVED GO?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.




Do you think some went to heaven and the others went to HELL? or do you think they waited for their fellow servants to come meet them in heaven, TO RETURN WITH THEM?

AFTER ALL NEVER DIE..........MOST LIKELY means never die


John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.


John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.


John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?



John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

WHERE IS THE LORD?


John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

John 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

John 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

WHEN JESUS HAD SPOKEN THOSE WORDS.....

Here is a verse talking about someone who was dead and rose from the dead.
You think your going to rule over him?

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-18.htm

I am the living one, I was dead, and behold I am now alive for ever and ever, and I hold the keys of death and Hades.

And you have to ask a stupid question why would the Lord want the dead in Israel.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The dead will rise in Israel? Where is that written? Why would the Lord want the dead in Israel?



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.


Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


No where does it say that any of these were from the 'dead' that resurrected when Christ returned.

THE THEY THAT SAT UPON THE THRONES ARE THE SOULS WHO RETURNED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIM.

They were seen under the altar waiting for the rest of the martyrs to be killed.

So we clearly know where martyrs go and that is NOT IN THE EARTH but up to heaven.

And the rest are the alive and remaining who were changed.


YET NOT ONE HINT AS ANY OF THEM BEING RESURRECTED out from the dead in the earth. Those whos flesh died, rose. How do we know this? it is what we read in 1 Thess amongst other places

1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


SO WHERE DO THE SAVED GO?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.




Do you think some went to heaven and the others went to HELL? or do you think they waited for their fellow servants to come meet them in heaven, TO RETURN WITH THEM?

AFTER ALL NEVER DIE..........MOST LIKELY means never die


John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.


John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.


John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?



John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

WHERE IS THE LORD?


John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

John 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

John 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

WHEN JESUS HAD SPOKEN THOSE WORDS.....

PS
Those who die for thier testimony of Jesus, and who did not worship the beast or his image nor recieved his mark, die in Israel during the final 42 months before christ comes. They don't fly down from heaven on a bird. They are persecuted throughout Israel in every city in Israel.
They are resurrected and they reign with Christ.

I'm betting your not one of them.

 

[kleronomos]

Do I really need to quote scripture showing you the DEAD in christ rise?

JESUS SAID, the WORDS THAT CAME OUT OF OuR SAVIORS MOUTH WERE

NEVER DIE.


NO matter what WE think ANY OTHER VERSE IN THE ENTIRE WORDS OF GOD SAY, ONE THING WITHOUT A DOUBT IS HE MEANT we would NEVER DIE if while we lived we came to belief.

IF we NEVER DIE, we CAN NOT BE DEAD TO BE RAISED AMONGST THE DEAD.

THEY ARE OPPOSITES IN EVERY WAY SHAPE AND FORM.


SO WHO ARE THE DEAD IN CHRIST? THE OPPOSITE OF THE NEVER DIED IN CHRIST. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH


GOD is the God of the living, AND NOT THE GOD OF THE DEAD


CHRIST, ON THE OTHER HAND IS THE LORD OF BOTH THE DEAD AND THE LIVING.


HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND


Romans 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

doesn't anyone believe what is written?


I am not sitting around 'making stuff up'. EVERY SINGLE THING I HAVE SAID I HAVE SAID BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN. I STAND FOR WHAT IS WRITTEN BEING that is WHAT IS MEANT.


SO NO, YOU DO NOT NEED TO QUOTE ME SCRIPTURE WHERE THE DEAD "IN" CHRIST IS WRITTEN.



I'll just apologize now for all the capitol letters. I just am having a very very difficult time knowing that GOD IS WATCHING all of this and


I'll get to any thing that follows later. I

 

[kleronomos]

I've learned that I don't reign with christ for the 1000 years. It doesn't bother me that I won't because Ive also learned what those who do go through.
It is those who were killed for thier witness of christ and who did not worship the beast or its image or recieved its mark that reigns with christ those 1000 years.
I've also learned I don't live in the kingdom of the beast and I will not be subject to those things.
I feel the saints in Israel deserve thier reward for Id hate to live a life as they will and I would most certainly hatey life as they will hate thier even to death.

The Israelis who will reign with Christ suffer greatly for thier faith. They shall reign over the nations in the promised land who were saved during great tribulation. The great multitude john wrote about in Revelation.

Let's see. First
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

That would be ISRAEL. So much for that, no choice.


Next, as for It is those who were killed for thier witness of christ and who did not worship the beast or its image or recieved its mark that reigns with christ those 1000 years.

If you are here when the trib comes you have two choices worship the beast or don't.
So much for that being something you can abstain from choosing a side in. It's one or the other. NO ONE ever WANTED to be crucified or a be used as a roman candle or eaten by lions or thrown in a dungeon and tortured but sometimes it is a part of the deal. Chose life or death.


If you are here when Satan is kicked out of heaven you will live in the kingdom of the beast. YOU don't have to participate but you may have to live. AGAIN, these are not choices WE MAKE. And I wonder what is it that makes you so special? Other people can suffer and be afflicted and even killed but YOU aren't willing to yourself? I would...re think this. You do remember these, right?

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.



Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Hebrews 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

Hebrews 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.






PLEASE, CAPITOLIZE THE 'C' IN CHRIST. It is causing me great stress and making it hard to respond. If you can't or won't then we will agree we can not correspond. We all have our lines, and this is one of mine.

 

[kleronomos]

PS
Those who die for thier testimony of Jesus, and who did not worship the beast or his image nor recieved his mark, die in Israel during the final 42 months before christ comes. They don't fly down from heaven on a bird. They are persecuted throughout Israel in every city in Israel.
They are resurrected and they reign with Christ.

I'm betting your not one of them.

I am thinking you don't under stand what 'buy and sell' and the WHOLE WORLD really includes. Why do you think

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Not sure why you don't think the whole world is involved but it is.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Adstar]

The survivors who live in the Lord's land are Christians. No one who is not a Christian will live in the Lord's land.
But it is the saints in Israel who followed the Lamb (followed Jesus instructions in the gospel) and suffered for it who reign with Christ in the promised land.

The 144,000 innocent decendants of Abraham who will be preserved through the end times tribulation will be the population who will live with the Christian Saints during the 1000 years.. You can see this from the following verse which makes a discinction between jerusalem and the seperate camp of the Saints at the end of the 1000 years..

(Revelation 20:7-9) "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Let's see. First
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

That would be ISRAEL. So much for that, no choice.


Next, as for It is those who were killed for thier witness of christ and who did not worship the beast or its image or recieved its mark that reigns with christ those 1000 years.

If you are here when the trib comes you have two choices worship the beast or don't.
So much for that being something you can abstain from choosing a side in. It's one or the other. NO ONE ever WANTED to be crucified or a be used as a roman candle or eaten by lions or thrown in a dungeon and tortured but sometimes it is a part of the deal. Chose life or death.


If you are here when Satan is kicked out of heaven you will live in the kingdom of the beast. YOU don't have to participate but you may have to live. AGAIN, these are not choices WE MAKE. And I wonder what is it that makes you so special? Other people can suffer and be afflicted and even killed but YOU aren't willing to yourself? I would...re think this. You do remember these, right?

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.



Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Hebrews 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

Hebrews 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.






PLEASE, CAPITOLIZE THE 'C' IN CHRIST. It is causing me great stress and making it hard to respond. If you can't or won't then we will agree we can not correspond. We all have our lines, and this is one of mine.

So you claim to be Israel.
When did God bring you back to the place of your father's and do you intend to take theark of the beast that is presently ruling over you?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I am thinking you don't under stand what 'buy and sell' and the WHOLE WORLD really includes. Why do you think

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Not sure why you don't think the whole world is involved but it is.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

No, the whole world is not marked by the Israeli goverment. Only those in Israel recieves the mark of the Israeli goverment.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The 144,000 innocent decendants of Abraham who will be preserved through the end times tribulation will be the population who will live with the Christian Saints during the 1000 years.. You can see this from the following verse which makes a discinction between jerusalem and the seperate camp of the Saints at the end of the 1000 years..

(Revelation 20:7-9) "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

You don't believe those who were beheaded for thier witness of Jesus reign with Christ after the first resurection or you believe the 144000 are those who were beheaded for thier witness of Jesus?

I'm not disagreeing with you as I see the 144000 reigning as well. I believe many of them die during the tribulation though for thier witness of Jesus.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-2.htm

According to this verse, it is Israel that rules over the nations in the Lord's land.

Far as I'm concerned, it corresponds to what revelation shows.