If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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Yes, The Elect's Final Judgment Day already happened on The Cross. The Elect are all connected to 2000 years ago. The names are in The Book of LIFE.
1 Peter 2:5-9
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5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Revelation 20:4-7
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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
 
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You are saying The Righteous are gathered first.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:52-53
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52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

https://testallthings.com/2009/11/16/a-study-of-revelation-chapter-11-verses-11-to-12/


Revelation 6:12-17
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Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances
12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [a]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [b]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [c]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, [d]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Revelation 11:11-13
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The Witnesses Resurrected
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them (God's elects), and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And [a]they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud(I believe all of God's elects that are on old earth and old heaven, Jesus will gather all of them in the air and change all their bodies at the last trumpet.), and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
 
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You can't have both: Free Will and a Physical LORD King on earth in your thousand years.
Revelation 14:15-20
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15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 
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2 Corinthians 5:20
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then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.


[ambassador - an accredited diplomat sent by a country as its official representative to a foreign country. ]


This world is the "foreign country" and we are ambassadors of the coming kingdom until the King arrives.

ambassadors, due to their having drawn near to the kingdom of God (repent for the kingdom is) are then in turn able to tell others about it - though only as others are able to understand about it. the immature believers, and the spiritual believers, and increasing in spirit believers.


Matthew 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

the righteous are already shining. when you see their light - if and when you can, you will know. because that light is in you also.
 

Yahshua

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ambassadors, due to their having drawn near to the kingdom of God (repent for the kingdom is) are then in turn able to tell others about it - though only as others are able to understand about it. the immature believers, and the spiritual believers, and increasing in spirit believers.





the righteous are already shining. when you see their light - if and when you can, you will know. because that light is in you also.
This is great. But you're spiritualizing it. When we say that the kingdom is already here, we're also claiming that the works of satan (sickness, death, oppression, pain, misery) presently on display and rampant are also part of our kingdom. This is incorrect.

This is why when the apostles and disciples when around proclaiming the coming kingdom they were given authority to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons; destroying all the works of satan because these things were to forecast what it will be like when the kingdom is here.

In terms of light; Moses shone after being in the presence of the Almighty during the time when he received the law. The people were afraid of him and so he had to wear a veil to cover it. The heavenly city to come is said to no longer need sunlight or moonlight "for the lamb will be their light".

When the kingdom comes its citizens will be emanating light. Until then, truly the believer has the light inside but it is veiled in this flesh ("the kingdom of God is in your midst"). But as Paul says, this flesh is a tent (sukkah, temporary tabernacle) and that we await our true home (i.e. the transformed body).
 

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Ok, great, are you not seeing how satan, at the end, ruins your view?

It doesn't ruin anything. The rod of iron rule only lasts a thousand years. Satan is released in all of our bibles. Don't pretend it's not in yours.
 
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In terms of light; Moses shone after being in the presence of the Almighty during the time when he received the law. The people were afraid of him and so he had to wear a veil to cover it.

When the kingdom comes its citizens will be emanating light.

imagine how much a person would shine if they were in God's presence all the time. as followers of Christ we walk in His light - each person differing. and not all are to the same amount walking.
 

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GOD stops Reigning? Are you for real?
The end of 1000 years is not the end of His rule, it is the end of that Age, the Kingdom Age.

The Perfect Age will have begun then, forever into infinity.

John begins to describe what the theologians call the Perfect Age in Rev. 21.

This is when God makes all things new, there is no more sin on earth, all the former things are passed away.
 
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The end of 1000 years is not the end of His rule, it is the end of that Age, the Kingdom Age.

The Perfect Age will have begun then, forever into infinity.

John begins to describe what the theologians call the Perfect Age in Rev. 21.

This is when God makes all things new, there is no more sin on earth, all the former things are passed away.
Does satan deceive under JESUS' Rule or not?
 

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Does satan deceive under JESUS' Rule or not?
No, he does not! That comes at the very end of the 1000 years when he deceives the nations.

During the 1000 years Satan has been cast into prison. Then he is released at the very end of the 1000 years.
 
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No, he does not! That comes at the very end of the 1000 years when he deceives the nations.

During the 1000 years Satan has been cast into prison. Then he is released at the very end of the 1000 years.
You are saying GOD doesn't rule for a gap between the 1000 years and Infinity.
 

Charlie24

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You are saying GOD doesn't rule for a gap between the 1000 years and Infinity.
No I'm not saying that, that is what you are assuming, PJ!

Christ is still ruling when Satan is released from prison and deceives the nations on earth to war against Israel.

But God puts a swift end to it when He send fire down from heaven and destroy all of them.

This marks the end of the Kingdom Age and the beginning of the Perfect Age.
 
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It doesn't ruin anything. The rod of iron rule only lasts a thousand years. Satan is released in all of our bibles. Don't pretend it's not in yours.
-True gospel is preached to every nation, God gives the Holy Spirit to all his elects. Salvation phase is over.

-Beginning of sorrows is part of the chaos and is set up for max chaos. We are here.

-Satan comes out. Satan fix's everything for world peace without God. Satan comes to have all nonelects worship him as the fake 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ with his great sign and miracles.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-13KingJamesVersion

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them (all nonelects) strong delusion, that they (all nonelects) should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Do you think beasts rise up out of the sea for no reason?
Isaiah 57:20
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20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
 
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No I'm not saying that, that is what you are assuming, PJ!

Christ is still ruling when Satan is released from prison and deceives the nations on earth to war against Israel.

But God puts a swift end to it when He send fire down from heaven and destroy all of them.

This marks the end of the Kingdom Age and the beginning of the Perfect Age.
You are saying that, you can't follow satan while JESUS is Reigning in your made up 1000 years where JESUS is physically here. NO ONE IS THAT DUMB.