If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[ewq1938]

Do you think the 144,000 is literally 144,000 ethnic Jews that are virgins and have never lied? Seriously? ...never lied?

What's actually impossible is claiming the verse says they have never lied. It doesn't say what you claim it says. Amill has a serious problem in refusing to accept exact numbers. Amill changes numbers in Revelation which violates these warnings:

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Changing a thousand years into thousands of years and changing 144,00 into a much larger amount is adding to and taking away from Revelation.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Ask yourself if the guy without physical sin in his life might have a stronger Presence of The HOLY SPIRIT for Interpretation.

 

[ewq1938]

Ask yourself if the guy without physical sin in his life might have a stronger Presence of The HOLY SPIRIT for Interpretation.

1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

We've already been over this, you are not reading the surrounding text. He is saying you are not good enough to go without being Reborn.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Do you honestly think The HOLY SPIRIT is willing to be in a human that is going to physically sin again in the future?

 

[tanakh]

And God said Let us make make man in our own image after our likeness.

Genesis 1 vs 26 KJV



And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2 vs 7 KJV

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him and without him was not anything
made that was not made. In him was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1 vs 1 -5 KJV

That was the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world

John 1 vs 9 KJV

Jesus used Parables based on the common experiences of the people who heard him. He used them also to avoid his teaching to be misused or destroyed by those who were against him. He knew that very few would perceive the truth he was teaching. That included his own Disciples
as seen in the story of the couple on the road to Emmaus. A road that we are all travelling on
some of us are further down that road than others. The kingdom of heaven is not a place in the sky but within us all. It is up to each individual to respond to the promptings of the Holy Spirit and enter that kingdom within.


What many Christians call the Bible and Jews call the Holy Scriptures can be understood on different levels. Each level is perfectly true in itself but each brings the individual closer to Gods message to humanity. One important level is that of seeing the whole message from Genesis to Revelation as a collection of Parables describing Gods plan for each individual and humanity as a whole. The Holy Spirit reveals the meaning of scripture both openly and in a sort of code. One thing we should all understand is that the study of Gods word is never ending. Anyone who thinks they have all his message sown up is deceiving their selves and anyone who believes them.

Writers and Preachers can point to the sign post and show where the Emmaus Road starts but
don't trust them to walk all the way with you only Christ can do that. Don't be like the Dog in a illustration I saw about a man who was trying to point to his Dog the direction in which he had thrown a stick. Instead of heading that way the Dog just sniffed the mans finger.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If the parable of the Ten Virgins is about having enough Oil (HOLY SPIRIT), shouldn't we be concerned if we have physical sin in our lives causing low Oil?

 

[DavidTree]

i just want you to face what is going on. being literal has become a poker tell that something isn't right. there is no sinner's prayer. Do you think your robe is white? You are either on The Narrow Path ...or you are not.

Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES? what do you think satan is tempting you with? How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?

JESUS is no longer on the Cross - that is RCC false doctrine.

Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

JESUS is no longer on the Cross - that is RCC false doctrine.

Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

What the **edited** are you saying? The Cross doesn't matter anymore??? WHAT!?!?!?

 

[Phoneman-777]

If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​

Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:

What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."

The kingdom here isn't set up yet because, while the transaction necessary to return possession of the Earth from Satan (which was originally delivered into the hands of Satan by Adam's choice to disobey God) to Jesus was completed at the Cross, Jesus has yet to come back and set up His reign.

It's like closing on a mortgage and being handed the keys, but the work of evicting the current occupants illegally squatting there remains to be done.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

So how did the Jews Judgment go that lived before 70 A.D.? They had a Day of Atonement until 70 A.D., then JESUS became that Atonement for everyday and everyone. The original Atonement was still about JESUS, so i think there were many Saved. The question is what are Jews claiming today?

i think there are two “tracks” …one before JESUS and one after. There has to be some kind of difference before and after 70 A.D.

GOD obviously didn't Promise "physical" land forever ...so was it land of Heaven ...SALVATION?

The Kingdom Promises did become real through CHRIST, but why even tell Jews about it unless some would get to participate?

i find it hard to believe that the Jew thing was just to get GOD The Father's Son Born. Why would GOD set all these rules and then say "well, too bad, you lived before The MESSIAH got here."

We know for a fact that a handful of Jews were Saved ...but are we saying that was all that was Saved?

Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

When JESUS says He is "the faithful and true witness" in Rev 3:14, is He saying that He is the faithful and true Israel?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We are Citizens (Spiritual Descendants of Abraham) via Obedience through Faith of the Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST. If GOD'S Presence is in you, you are a Pillar of The Kingdom. Our Priest King is then your LORD.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If you don't have GOD'S Presence (Citizen of The Kingdom/Child of GOD) in you now, what makes you think you will be a Citizen in the Afterlife?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i beg everyone in this thread to listen to this video:

 

[oyster67]

what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

Jesus Christ is sovereign King over all His creation.

Jesus is giving man a choice and is allowing Satan to tempt.

I see no confliction here.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

Jesus Christ is sovereign King over all His creation.

Jesus is giving man a choice and is allowing Satan to tempt.

I see no confliction here.

There is conflict with people that think there is a Rapture that allows a second chance of SALVATION. There is a conflict with people that think there is a 1000 years after The Return with a Physical GOD King on earth where people somehow think they can fight GOD after satan is loosed.

There is conflict with people that can't bow to our King today because they want Him to be a King in the future.

 

[oyster67]

i beg everyone in this thread to listen to this video:

The Battle of Armageddon is a literal battle that shall take place at the time of Christ's Second Coming.

 

[oyster67]

There is conflict with people that think there is a Rapture that allows a second chance of SALVATION. There is a conflict with people that think there is a 1000 years after The Return with a Physical GOD King on earth where people somehow think they can fight GOD after satan is loosed.

There is no conflict on the behalf of pre-trib-rapturists.(of whom I am one.)

 

[pittsburghjoe]

There is no conflict on the behalf of pre-trib-rapturists.(of whom I am one.)

To turn away from GOD in the Millennium Reign after His Return would be sin, so if there isn't sin anymore at that point, how are people going to be deceived by satan when he is loosed?