ILLNESSES AND HEALING

popeye · Nov 9, 2015

Context?
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The whole book is written to the church. (that would be the redeemed. the redeemed do not get sick and loose their salvation)

James' brethren are not saved?

That word save is also translated healed

Original Word: σῴζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: sózó
Phonetic Spelling: (sode'-zo)
Short Definition: I save, heal
Definition: I save, heal, preserve, rescue.

popeye · Nov 10, 2015

shotgunner said:

Yes sir.

I just came out of the forest on the other side of my dog dying horribly from cushing disease. God did an awesome,awesome miracle.

I learned so much in this trial. Mainly to claim his word as true. Mat 18;18-19,and II kings 13;21

I wavered as much as I believed,for everytime I looked at her dying I became a basket case. I never knew how dear she is to me.

I called to God for many days with zero answer. The heavens were solid brass. I simply needed help. One night I cried to God in a farmers field behind my property "God please help" 2 Minutes later a missionary friend (powerhouse manof God) called on the phone "hey bro can I come by?" Uh yeah.

When he arrived, he stripped my garment of pity and defeat from me and clothed me with victory armor. Then he mashed his hand into my gut and prayed heaven down.

Me ,and the dog were better..............for 2 days,then the worst nosedive ever,she relapsed horribly,and even worse than ever.

After 2 more days, I totally gave out. All the confessing and verses,and prophesying over her got to me. I called my mother and said "she is dying" and went to bed numb and grief stricken. At 1;44 am I woke up and saw the head of a demon arch across my vision. This was my first actual contact with heaven in 2 weeks. I had lost 20 lbs by this time.

The dog got up and wanted to go outside.(a miracle in itself as she was almost immobile).

WELL,SHE RAN,AND RAN,AND RAN,FOR 2 HOURS. ...Meanwhile,I decapitated the demon. Now God is speaking. He showed me what happened. He affirmed the miracle and talked about it. He specifically told me; "track with me"

I knew exactly what tracking he was referring to. It was what I was doing,but now it was a rhema thing and my faith was soaring.

You see the Hind is a unique animal. It's back legs are placed by God's engineering into the same footprints of the front legs.

They "track"

God says.......I say back......I track with God

This all was about 3 days ago. And is only about a fourth of the story.

Tracking with God?????.....I literally own that one. It is seared into my heart,my dna,and my spirit.

Oh,me and the dog came back in about 3;20 am, and for the first time,we both were able to sleep.

She is on the front steps of my office now,taking her position,as she did before,watching over the property,as is her job.
I am in awesome renewed fellowship with God,and can feel,once again,the annointing power in my hands and arms,that has been absent for years.

My dog ,or rather through her,I learned some priceless lessons.

PeterJens · Nov 10, 2015

shotgunner said:

There is a problem in the area of simple asking the Lord for things. Imagine I ask my dad for a car. I do not have a car until I have it. If I ask and it turns up the next day, that is the answer. If it does not turn up for a year, that is the answer.

Yes God answers prayer, but very often the timescale is very different from ours. Abraham was promised a son, but it did not happen to late in his life. Elijah was told he would be looked after by a widow, who when he met her she was about to cook their last meal and then slowly starve to death. He exercised faith and saw how God was going to answer the problem.

Now the words of saying you have what you asked for even though you do not for me is not faith. Faith is knowing however the Lord works things out, it is for the best. Faith is trusting in the Lords intentions and ways of working, we are just sharing our concerns and requests to which He listens.

This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
1 John 5:14

It is not just a question of having faith in God, it is based on understanding Gods will in a situation and praying according to it. If you know in faith this is 100% Gods will, he will do it. It is obvious few of us have that level of understanding.
It is also obvious many claim to be speaking Gods will, everyone should be healed, and it simply is not true. Jesus himself was prevented from performing miracles in his home area from a lack of faith of those people who he spoke to.

Spiritual rebirth is the issue of this world and expressing love one to another. Some people think the issue is with Satan, and the spiritual warfare. But look at Jesus, the problem was with the disciples and teaching them how to walk correctly.
Things have not changed, healing in terms of "miracles" are the gifts of grace, the problem is immovable behavioural issues we all come into the kingdom with and which need sorting. It is not our illnesses that are the stumbling block but how we feel about them and ourselves.

shotgunner · Nov 10, 2015

PeterJens said:

Peter
It's not about asking for a car and then acting like I have a car when I don't have one. I'm not talking about acting stupid. I'm simply talking about acting like God's word and his promises are true. With healing you just have to act like God's word is true. That doesn't mean you stop taking your medicine, or break your glasses. Those things can't prevent God's word from being true.

It's more of a matter of believing that God's word is true right now, rather than putting your faith in it being true at some future time. If you do that Satan will always convince you that it's not for right now but possibly later. Your faith will always be for some future time that will never come.

Remember that God changed Abraham's name and told him that he had made him a father of many nations. Abraham didn't tell God " No I won't be called Abraham until I actually have that child in my hand."

PeterJens · Nov 10, 2015

shotgunner said:

To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
1 Cor 12:8-9

I have prayed in faith, I was certain God was going to do this particular thing, and it happened.
The way you share it is like it is difficult to believe God. I believe his word and his reality today, in the here and now.

Most of what God wants us to do now is see His love and act in a loving way towards others. Once you get this context, asking the Lord to act is second nature. Asking God to act without the right perspective is not just not going to work.

PeterJens · Nov 10, 2015

I went to a house group lead by a guy who felt the gifts almost exclusively were the way forward.
The problem in the church was power, "spiritual" power to heal etc.

What he had missed is most of Gods work is about healing within of the spirit, attitudes of the heart, betrayal of the mind.
He thought the reason why people did not believe was because they had not seen miracles not because they were sinners and did not care, but were happy to come with excuses. Jesus answer to the pharisees about the sign, was the only sign they were going to get was the resurrection. Miracles however they appear can always be explained away, because the issue is rebellion and denial of sin, not what is true.

There was a young man I knew. His answer was he knew all the ideas, he just did not like the life style.

That is where a lot of people stand, because they have no real perception what righteousness and love is, like some here and their way of expressing their faith in God.

ladylynn · Nov 10, 2015

PeterJens said:

This is word of faith theology. The idea is what you believe is what becomes true, so therefore if you accept illness, you become ill, but if you see health, you gain health. People have extended this idea to if you speak out "I am ill", you make it so.

This is what I have called command theology. Your words define reality, because you are a child of God, rather than God defines reality, which we then accept. Jesus had the power to heal, he did not say believe it has happened when it has not and it will come to pass. Christian science follows the idea of believing another reality, saying that this world is an illusion and it is what you believe that changes reality.

This "command theology" you write here I don't and wouldn't participate in such a thing. We have to follow God's reality not our very limited sight of what reality is. Heb.11:1 "Now Faith is the assurance the confirmation, the title deed of the things we hope for being the proof of things we do not see and the conviction of their reality..faith perceiving as REAL fact what is not revealed to the senses." Amplified Bible.

By your definition, this Bible verse is "command theology" When God has already promised something and has told us to pray and believe., that is what we do. We do not command God to do anything. We rest in what He has already promised. That is why knowing who you are in Christ and knowing what the promises in the Bible are for the child of God is so important.

Jesus's healing was different. The person being healed had put their faith in Jesus and found themselves healed, not found themselves still ill, and because they hung on to the idea that Jesus had healed them, they became healed. The confidence was in Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the proof of that confidence was in the actual healing.

We don't have Jesus physical body here with us like they did when He walked the earth but we do have the HolySpirit and Jesus promise and even better we have His righteousness and are now sons and daughters of the Most High God. So we have even better promises. The HolySpirit witnesses with our spirit that we are sons and daughters of God. The Spirit convicts us of righteousness and we have the confidence to step out in the faith that Heb.11:1 speaks of.

The command theology in effect says you are healed, but if you fail to receive it, it is your fault, not that the Lords will was not to bring healing. This has to be true, because "God wishes to heal everyone", which is why the church is full of fully healed individuals. As someone pointed out a logical extension of this idea is no need for glasses or anything that supports a failure from the perfect human, because God will bring perfect healing you just have to claim it.

Jesus has already accomplished so much in our salvation. I'm only beginning to learn about it. But healing is part of what was accomplished. And we believers are called to walk by faith and NOT by sight. It takes a total reversal of human reason to do this. That is why so many of us lose heart and stop believing and find other routes of the (why's) of sickness and also must believe that because God is sovereign He must have caused our sickness. God never brings us sickness, the enemy is the one who comes to kill steal and destroy us. he hates us and is a liar. We have to believe that or we accept sickness is from God and we embrace it instead of seek to get rid of it. We have a part in seeing God's will come to pass and that part is faith in His will for us. But if we believe His will is to make us ill or to keep us sick and kill us., we will embrace it and not fight it. And not see healing because we don't know or understand that He has given us healing. We sure don't see it so it can't be real so we must find another answer.

Because I'm human I learn these things a part at a time. God doesn't dump it all on us at once. He goes through who we are and grows us to be something different. Believing for something is part of that growth.

Unfortunately those who are claiming such an idea, often still live with these imperfections, while saying it is not a place you need to stay. So the response would be, healer heal yourself if you claim such great authority.

So many generation after generation have claimed this authority, but still miracles are rare, and healing on demand has never occurred. To those who claim such ideas, walk on water and then I will listen to you.

Many many miracles have taken place that you or I have not seen. They are not so rare and when they do happen, you and many don't believe because you are coming from this type of reasoning about healing.
Yes, we still live with imperfections and the Bible has given us a remedy for this., He says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling... fear and trembling means the kind of amazing reaction like the woman who was healed of her bleeding. She had the faith to touch Jesus when the law says she is to touch no one or she would die. She was unclean. But her faith spurred her on and she touched Him and felt healing come in her body and knew she was healed. She didn't fear Jesus, she knew healing came.

So we work out what HE has put in us. We work it out by believing what His Word says and the promises He has for us and by faith we see it come to be. This is not only in the matter of healing but in the matters of ALL provisions of life and the needs we have as humans. All are provided by His hand.

BenFTW · Nov 10, 2015

popeye said:

Context?
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The whole book is written to the church. (that would be the redeemed. the redeemed do not get sick and loose their salvation)

James' brethren are not saved?

That word save is also translated healed

Original Word: σῴζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: sózó
Phonetic Spelling: (sode'-zo)
Short Definition: I save, heal
Definition: I save, heal, preserve, rescue.

Yeah, my father pointed out an if statement that put into question KJV's interpretation. Also, context as you pointed out.

popeye · Nov 10, 2015

ladylynn said:

Somme healings are instant. Some gradual.

There is/are some that require ,for whatever reason,a trek into heaven,to ;1) find out what the problem is or the roadblock,and 2),to get the healing handed out and delivered.

All are just as awesome,and 100% success is the target. It must be settled first. Without resolve,there is marginal,if any,success. This to me is where we stand as a church.

It must be resolved. Absolutely.

popeye · Nov 10, 2015

“If you leave people as you found them, God is not speaking by you. If you are not making people mad or glad, there is something amiss with your ministry.” ˜ Smith Wigglesworth

“No wavering. This is the principle: He who believes is definite. A definite faith brings a definite experience and a definite utterance.” ˜ Smith Wigglesworth

“Before God could bring me to this place He has broken me a thousand times.” ˜ Smith Wigglesworth

Fear looks; faith jumps. Faith never fails to obtain its object. If I leave you as I found you, I am not God’s channel. I am not here to entertain you, but to get you to the place where you can laugh at the impossible.” ˜ Smith Wigglesworth

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popeye · Nov 10, 2015

[video=youtube;PNsLT1BxUto]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNsLT1BxUto&feature=youtu.be[/video]

With lazarus not only did the situation looked hopeless,it looked as if Jesus had failed him

popeye · Nov 10, 2015

John G. Lake was born March 18, 1870 in Ontario, Canada. He was born into a family that suffered much grief with the deaths of four brothers and sisters. At the tender age of sixteen John Lake accepted Christ and surrendered his life to Him. As a youth, he was very interested in the art of science and physics. He would continue to study the Bible not only to understand it, but also to prove its accuracy in everyday life.

After two years in his marriage to Jennie Stevens, she was diagnosed with tuberculosis and heart disease. In a few years her condition would worsen when the doctors told him there was nothing more that could be done for her.

During Jennie’s final hours out of hopelessness, Lake threw his Bible against the fireplace mantle and it opened to the book of Acts chapter 10. His eyes drifted to verse 38: " …God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." Lake realized through this verse that God was not responsible for Jennie’s illness or any illness. He then knew that it was the devil that was the cause of her being sick and the devil was the one destroying his life.

Notice that this is the same scripture that Alexander Dowie received in his hour of frustration. The revelation of this scripture is responsible for the launching of yet another great healing ministry. With this, John marched into the bedroom and boldly stated that his wife be healed, and she was. This became national news bringing many from across the way to visit their home to see God ’s miracle and to receive healing for themselves.

http://miraclesinaction.weebly.com/blog/the-life-and-ministry-of-john-g-lake

popeye · Nov 10, 2015

John G. Lake was a missionary to South Africa from 1908 to 1913. While there, a horrific bubonic plague broke out. John Lake was caring for the sick and burying the dead. Britain sent a ship of medical supplies and a corps of doctors to him. The doctors asked Lake how he had protected himself from the deadly plague. His answer was, “I believe ‘the law of the Spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death (Rom.8:2).’ As long as I walk in the light of that law [of the Spirit of life], no germ will attach itself to me.” In scriptural context, this verse speaks of Jesus’ work of salvation bringing the life of the Spirit of God to us and freeing us from “the law of sin” or, in other words, from everything evil that came into the world through sin, such as disease, poverty, addictions, spiritual death, and early physical death. The doctors were unconvinced, so Lake insisted they do a microscopic experiment on him. Lake showed them that if one of them took bubonic plague foam from the lungs of a dead person and put it under a microscope, the disease cells would still live. If they put the foam in Lake’s hand, and then looked at it under the microscope, they saw that all of the disease cell’s instantly died, proving what Lake said to be true.

(reference: God’s General’s http://www.godsgenerals.com/person_j_lake.htm)

shotgunner · Nov 10, 2015

You have it now brother, run with it!

popeye · Nov 11, 2015

All those rock musicians that died of drug overdose.

How sad they committed their life to the devil and he backstabbed them. They were gifted psalmists and worship leaders but missed their call.

We need to raise them from the dead to finish their race. They were evangelists for the devil.

My church of the future will have such musicians.

popeye · Nov 11, 2015

Imagine a army of downs syndrome people full of the HOLY GHOST.
These are God's specialists.

They will lay their hands on the sick and we will watch in awe as God does miracle after miracle

Blain · Nov 11, 2015

popeye said:

Are you planning to make church?

popeye · Nov 11, 2015

Blain said:

Just dreaming........but them again,hmmm.

Need to hold it b 4 the Lord

Blain · Nov 11, 2015

popeye said:

Well maybe God is the one who put that on your heart. Let me ask you what is the main purpose of making this church? And if made what kind of place would it be?

popeye · Nov 12, 2015

Five fold ministry. The job of the pastor is to pinpoint each believers gift,pull it out for the use of the body,and oversee / protect the flock.

The worship leader takes the congregation into the H O H.

On these two dynamics alone I am miles ahead of 90% of churches

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