I'm sick of arguing.

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1still_waters

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I sent this in a cc mail to just-me and thought I'd post it in the forums too.
Sometimes all the chaos of helping operate a site leads to me forgetting things..

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Hey. There is something I forgot about, and now I feel really stupid!
I guess with so many things going on with helping a chat site run, I can forget some things from time to time.

I made the Youedify room mostly for the very things you want.
Namely an argue free, debate free, silly talk free, chit chat free, non-hogging the mic free, environment. Unfortunately the room doesn't get used much because people love to argue, debate, silly talk, chit chat, and hog the mic!

Here is a link that describes the parameters and scope of the Youedify room. Notice the post date is June 2011

Link --> http://christianchat.com/christian-chat-announcements/18500-youedify-room-guidelines.html

And at one time I was trying to gather some official Youedify room sessions. Notice the post date is August 2011

Link --> http://christianchat.com/christian-...-silly-talk-mic-hogging-annoying-you-try.html
 
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BananaPie

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...sometimes people are just arguing because they like having the attention from everyone else and that's why they find a busy room and pick up a topic they know will cause an explosion.
Like totally agreeable.

Hot topics in a queue (be forums or chatroom) are usually a sign that the person is not really interested in anything aside from drawing attention to himself/herself, and the person fueling the conversation is actually provoking anger and arguing, which is not becoming of believers anchored in the kindness of Jesus Christ.

Attention seekers usually have an agenda: to expose their "encyclopedia" knowledge to anemically ignorant Christians they believe we all are.


The paradox is that in seeking attention for themselves, they reveal themselves lacking: not only knowledge, but lacking humility, lacking personality, lacking graceful thoughts... Consequently, that yields the irony: people (reasonable Christian chatters, for example) retrieve from attention seekers --at least I do-- which fuels their loneliness; thus wanting more and more attention for themselves... It's a vicious cycle indeed.

Solution? Ban 'em. ...just kidding!!
The solution is to understand the behavior; catch the behavior early in the conversation, and either pipe it down to monosyllables, like "Yarrrrr!" or remove oneself from the conversation altogether because, frankly, it's no longer a conversation; it's really fueling futility into oblivion... Arrrrgh! :D
 
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maxwel

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Just-me,

The issue is that the bible study room isn't a room with an assigned teacher.
It is a room where everyone is allowed to speak freely, and equally.
That is what people do.

It is the same as going out in public, standing on a corning, and discussing doctrine with passers by.
Some will agree, some will disagree.
Some will be calm, some will be excitable.

Anytime you speak in a public place, this is what you get.

CC simply isn't a church, and multiple theological system are all allowed to be discussed here.
It frustrates everyone at times, but we either let people speak freely, or we don't.
If we don't let everyone speak freely, then who chooses the people allowed to speak?
If only chosen speakers can speak, then what if you're not on the list of speakers?
The only solution is everyone is allowed to speak... whatever their opinion is.

This is not a place of strict doctrinal authority like a church.
You simply can't expect to come into a place without strict doctrinal authority, and expect to be the only person with authority.
If you want to teach, with no discussion or debate, then you shouldn't try to teach in a public forum;
you should be teaching in a private forum, like within a church.

Everyone gets frustrated at times,
but the only solution in a public forum is to allow everyone to speak as equals.
 
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Ariel82

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I sent this in a cc mail to just-me and thought I'd post it in the forums too.
Sometimes all the chaos of helping operate a site leads to me forgetting things..

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Hey. There is something I forgot about, and now I feel really stupid!
I guess with so many things going on with helping a chat site run, I can forget some things from time to time.

I made the Youedify room mostly for the very things you want.
Namely an argue free, debate free, silly talk free, chit chat free, non-hogging the mic free, environment. Unfortunately the room doesn't get used much because people love to argue, debate, silly talk, chit chat, and hog the mic!

Here is a link that describes the parameters and scope of the Youedify room. Notice the post date is June 2011

Link --> http://christianchat.com/christian-chat-announcements/18500-youedify-room-guidelines.html

And at one time I was trying to gather some official Youedify room sessions. Notice the post date is August 2011

Link --> http://christianchat.com/christian-...-silly-talk-mic-hogging-annoying-you-try.html
lol but the irony is that most chatters don't read the forums so they don't see this notice and most forum users don't chat or if they do go to the room not many other people are in it so it gets kind of lonely in there.

I went in for a while but normally would go into the Bible study room and find people to drag in there to talk about stuff. it helps if you find a mod who can kick people out of the room interested in the subject to join you there. lol :) but that doesn't always happen.
 
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So I originally said, "Work it out in private like the Bible says to do", meaning that I personally avoid these things and want proclaiming Christians to exercise Biblical principles in public as this chat room is. So now it appears that I am the focal point of 'stirring the pot' - how ironic. Now I suppose I'll be accused of being a crybaby or something similar. Give it a rest people. I'm not the only one who is sick and tired of it judging from the number of "likes" on this thread.
 
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1still_waters

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lol but the irony is that most chatters don't read the forums so they don't see this notice and most forum users don't chat or if they do go to the room not many other people are in it so it gets kind of lonely in there.

I went in for a while but normally would go into the Bible study room and find people to drag in there to talk about stuff. it helps if you find a mod who can kick people out of the room interested in the subject to join you there. lol :) but that doesn't always happen.
Well I can't hold it against someone if they don't stumble upon a two year old inactive thread about the Youedify room.
Even I forgot about it, and I'm the creator. hahahaha
 

JimJimmers

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LOL, so THAT'S what the youedify room is for! I didn't know. You'll be sure to see me in there, starting arguments and hogging the mic :p
 
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Ariel82

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So I originally said, "Work it out in private like the Bible says to do", meaning that I personally avoid these things and want proclaiming Christians to exercise Biblical principles in public as this chat room is. So now it appears that I am the focal point of 'stirring the pot' - how ironic. Now I suppose I'll be accused of being a crybaby or something similar. Give it a rest people. I'm not the only one who is sick and tired of it judging from the number of "likes" on this thread.
what's wrong with stirring the pot or crying?

if you don't stir the pot, the food tends to burn

and

one of the most powerful two word sentences in the Bible is "Jesus wept"

I listen to what people tell me, Just-me but I try to pray and only believe what God says about the situation and most of the time the names just doesn't stick, so we are told to let it slide off because they are just verbal arrows seeking a target.

when you say "give it a rest" are you talking about this thread or the arguing?

cuz I iz confussed.




<random food pictures are for Abiding. lol>
 

maxwel

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So I originally said, "Work it out in private like the Bible says to do", meaning that I personally avoid these things and want proclaiming Christians to exercise Biblical principles in public as this chat room is. So now it appears that I am the focal point of 'stirring the pot' - how ironic. Now I suppose I'll be accused of being a crybaby or something similar. Give it a rest people. I'm not the only one who is sick and tired of it judging from the number of "likes" on this thread.
"Working things out in private" is what you're supposed to do with moral issues, sin issues, personal issues.
Doctrinal issues, theological issues... those are fair game to open debate.

Biblically, I don't think you'll see anything about keeping doctrinal issues private, just between two people.

I also get frustrated with everything turning into a debate... it gets tiresome.
But again, this is a public forum.
This is just what happens.

Oddly enough, when someone has a "personal issue", a real problem, everyone suddenly forgets doctrinal differences and starts praying for the troubled person. It's actually really nice. Everyone pulls together, and encourages the hurting person, and wonderful things happen. People who were debating to the very brink of death are suddenly all praying for each other.

Some really nice things happen around here.

Surprising things.

It isn't all debate and conflict.
 
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Ariel82

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Oddly enough, when someone has a "personal issue", a real problem, everyone suddenly forgets doctrinal differences and starts praying for the troubled person. It's actually really nice. Everyone pulls together, and encourages the hurting person, and wonderful things happen. People who were debating to the very brink of death are suddenly all praying for each other.

Some really nice things happen around here.

Surprising things.

It isn't all debate and conflict.
that's one of my favorite things to witness. when someone comes in and everyone drops what they are talking about just to pray for someone who is hurting and really in need. :)

:)
 
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So you asked, "when you say "give it a rest" are you talking about this thread or the arguing?" My answer is: both
 
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Abiding

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what's wrong with stirring the pot or crying?

if you don't stir the pot, the food tends to burn

and

one of the most powerful two word sentences in the Bible is "Jesus wept"

I listen to what people tell me, Just-me but I try to pray and only believe what God says about the situation and most of the time the names just doesn't stick, so we are told to let it slide off because they are just verbal arrows seeking a target.

when you say "give it a rest" are you talking about this thread or the arguing?

cuz I iz confussed.




<random food pictures are for Abiding. lol>

ty yum!! ive got the opposite problem....i live to argue
and people just ignore me.:(:eek: and say nice stuff....arrrggg!
 
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Ariel82

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So you asked, "when you say "give it a rest" are you talking about this thread or the arguing?" My answer is: both
so if your done with this thread, can I derail it with totally random pictures of soup?







j/k. I'll stop posting now. lol c u in another thread. :)

ty yum!! ive got the opposite problem....i live to argue
and people just ignore me.:(:eek: and say nice stuff....arrrggg!
its cuz we LOOOOOOVVVE YOU!

 
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Quickfire

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is this just you or just me or is it just a few or is it just that i just dont believe whats justifiying or is justice a doulble edge sword that cuts both ways just another thought to ponder in my just way of thinking just cha up cha up. The Black Eyed Peas - Shut Up - YouTube
 
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dashadow

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If you're sick of arguing, stop arguing until you feel well enough to continue. :) Hope this helps. :)
 

homwardbound

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Hi just-me. I understand your frustration with the arguing/debating/fighting/etc in the BSR and such. I'm trying to find a way to address this without stomping all over your valid feelings and frustrations.

I think we should desire to have as much peace as possible in chat, and in all of life. And sometimes what some consider debating/arguing/fighting/etc, is considered by many others as honest passionate truth seeking discussion.

Finding that sweet spot between not allowing rampant discord, and not stifling valid discussion can be quite challenging considering the diversity of people who come into this chat, and considering the variety of opinions on what people consider discord and valid debate.

Your opinion on what is discord is one of many opinions! Some may observe what you observe and think, "Hey man, lighten up. We're just a little passionate, but we're not shedding any blood or giving any bumps and bruises."

Deciphering between all these subjective opinions to an extent of what is and isn't discord, and then making a judgment call on what types of conversation to allow is going to be a tough call. Of course there are obvious levels of discussion that are nothing but discord and attacks and those shouldn't be allowed.



This is an opinion, which is one of many! To many others what happens isn't forcing an opinion down a throat.



Statements like these can be used to try and quiet statements we disagree with. I mean if we disagree with something, then it's clearly not in the Bible and it's just a personal interpretation? But I'm getting somewhat off track here.

Christian chat has literally thousands of people from all types of backgrounds, with all types of perspectives. They all gather in this place called Christian chat. This is something we need to really get our minds around when we discuss the issue of debating/arguing/discord in Christian chat. Why?

Because I think by understanding such, it can give us some reasonable expectations when we enter/use chat and these forums. We need to understand that given the diversity of people, and diversity of opinions/personalities/temperaments/etc, that Christian chat isn't going to be a place where you're never going to feel uncomfortable. No one is going to have a seamless experience here where they never feel discomfort at all.

There ARE going to be people who rub you/us the wrong way. It's just the reality given all of the different types of folks who register and use the site.

I'm not saying attacks/fights/personal attacks/etc should be allowed due to these realities. Obviously we should and will try to prevent/stop/address those things when they do occur.

But given the subjective nature of so many diverse opinions on what is and isn't discord/fighting/etc, sometimes people may need to consider that their opinions on such matters is actually one of MANY opinions on such matters, and maybe allow for the fact that what they're observing is just debate/discussion. Again I'm not saying this thing is totally subjective, thus there is allowance for full on personal attacks and fighting.

So to sum it up. We all need to understand the diversity of folks using this chat. We all need to understand it's not going to be a seamless experience without discomfort from people who rub us the wrong way at times. Sometimes there is nothing wrong with the micro-events causing us discomfort. Sometimes it's "just me" (No pun intended.) who is feeling discomfort, and nothing wrong is really being done. We need to make allowance/grace for such. This doesn't mean there is permission to full on personal attack each other.

Given the diversities in chat, you're not going to have a seamless scenario where there is no perceived discord. You're not going to have a 100% perceived seamless "unity". You're just not. Everyone isn't going to agree with each other, and expecting this 100% seamless, discord free environment with no discomfort should not be expected as a reality that can be achieved. But this doesn't mean figurative blood letting, bruising and maiming is allowed.

I'm starting to repeat my self, so I'll just end here.
reality is reality, not good or bad, is not waht is, so we deal with it and learn from and possible help others learn too. How else will anyone learn if no one says their opinion. So let us all just be no more that either waterers or planters knowing it is God that is the only one that gives the increase for each of God's children to be able to stand
Romans 14:4Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
So let us not judge each other and consider each other and what each other says and sift it all through our inner man where all truth and errors get sorted out in each of us,
 
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