In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

[cv5]

A Reason Why The MT Chronology Is Different

Another point that needs to be made is that the chronologies of the Church Fathers firmly follow the LXX in Genesis 5 and 11. In this they were following the teachings of the Apostles, who must have been basing their writings on the Vorlage or the LXX. Indeed, the Gospel of Luke includes Cainan in the post-Flood listing of Patriarchs, just as the LXX does. This lends strong support to the LXX chronology. As Genesis 5 and 11 form the basis for all chronological schemes, this difference between the LXX and MT becomes important. In Genesis 5, the difference amounts to 600 years. In Genesis 11 it there is a further difference of over 700 years. As the MT underwent the two-fold process of Hebrew character change plus later vowel pointing, the suspicion must be that it is the MT that is incorrect on this issue.

One may ask why the MT has deviated from the SP and LXX. A glance at Table 2 reveals the answer. It seems that a cipher for 100 has been dropped or systematically omitted in copying from the paleo-Hebrew to the MT in these important chapters. This has also occurred in one place in the NT. In Acts 27:37 it is recorded that 276 people were on board Paul's ship when it was wrecked in the storm. According to the Amplified Version footnote, some manuscripts read 76. The cipher for 200 has been dropped. It is possible that a similar process has operated to drop over 1300 years from Genesis 5 and 11 in the MT.

Comparing NT Quotations Of The OT

Confirmatory evidence for the acceptance of the LXX as an accurate reflection of the Vorlage comes from the NT quotes by Christ and the Apostles from the OT. Compare, for example, Christ's quote of Psalm 8:2 in Matthew 21:16 or the Apostle Paul's quote of Hosea 13:14 in 1 Corinthians 15:55, or his quote from Isaiah 64:4 in 1 Corinthians 2:9. From such comparison it is obvious that the NT quotes almost exactly follow the LXX. By contrast, when the NT quote is compared with our modern OT we find our OT version is deviant. It is significant that our modern OT was translated from the MT.

Paul's Non-existent Quotation!

Some differences can have major implications such as Paul's quote in Hebrews 1:6 of Deuteronomy 32:43 from the Vorlage. There he argues that Messiah had to be Divine. Paul writes: "But again, when He brings the first begotten into the world, He says 'And let all the angels of God worship him'." On checking that Deuteronomy passage in the AV or NKJV, we find that Paul's important quotation on Messiah's Divinity is simply not there! It is omitted on the MT, but is still recorded in the LXX just as Paul quotes it. In fact the MT omits another significant part of that verse as the LXX goes on to say of Messiah: 'And let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him.' The LXX thus seems to be at least a more complete translation of the Vorlage Pentateuch.

 

[cv5]

Wake up @The_Watchers_2017 and realize the facts.
The LXX matches the Vorlage Hebrew master text perfectly here......

 

[cv5]

Wake up @The_Watchers_2017 and realize the facts.
The LXX matches the Vorlage Hebrew master text perfectly here......

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"The ages listed refer to the age of the patriarch at the time of the birth of the son who would be in the divine line, not necessarily the birth of his firstborn or first son."

SUMMING THE AGES OF THE PATRIARCHS!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

to get a more accurate Date, how many years was Israel in Egypt?

The Torah claims:
Our sages explain that the countdown of 400 years began with Isaac's birth. G‑d's promise does not refer to Egypt by name, rather to a "land that is not theirs." As soon as Abraham had a child, his seed were subjected to living in lands that were not theirs—including Canaan which wasn't "theirs" at the time.

Isaac was sixty years old when Jacob was born, and Jacob was 130 years old when he went down to Egypt. This means that 190 of the 400 years elapsed before the Israelites arrived in Egypt. So the Israelites were in Egypt for a total of 210 years.

Interestingly, when Jacob first instructed his sons to descend to Egypt, he said, "Go down ("רדו") there and buy [food]." The numerical value of the Hebrew letters of the word "רדו" ("redu," "go down") is exactly 210!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

"The ages listed refer to the age of the patriarch at the time of the birth of the son who would be in the divine line, not necessarily the birth of his firstborn or first son."

but that is NOT Historical Fact, it's a deviation based upon lineage of Christ.

this is a debate of TIME, not special circumstances.

 

[Omegatime]

to get a more accurate Date, how many years was Israel in Egypt?

The Torah claims:
Our sages explain that the countdown of 400 years began with Isaac's birth. G‑d's promise does not refer to Egypt by name, rather to a "land that is not theirs." As soon as Abraham had a child, his seed were subjected to living in lands that were not theirs—including Canaan which wasn't "theirs" at the time.

Isaac was sixty years old when Jacob was born, and Jacob was 130 years old when he went down to Egypt. This means that 190 of the 400 years elapsed before the Israelites arrived in Egypt. So the Israelites were in Egypt for a total of 210 years.

Interestingly, when Jacob first instructed his sons to descend to Egypt, he said, "Go down ("רדו") there and buy [food]." The numerical value of the Hebrew letters of the word "רדו" ("redu," "go down") is exactly 210!

I say 315 years

 

[Omegatime]

good stuff![/QUOTE

“Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened? 18 Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” They said to him, “Twelve.” 20 “And the seven for the four thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” And they said to him, “Seven.” 21 And he said to them, “Do you not yet understand?”

The baskets used to feed the 5000 was a kophino which kis a jewish basket, and the basket used to feed the 4000 was a spuris basket, the same basket Paul was let down over the wall in Damascus, a gentile basket in a gentle city. Whereever thks baskets are mentioned in all four gospels it is consistant.

Do you understand?

Feed the 5000 as Jesus did

5 loaves and 2 fish------------- 5 x 2 =10

Divide it among the 5000-----5000 divided by 10 = 500

Blessings are multiplied 500 times 12 baskets left over = 6000 or 6000 years or 6 days

Feed the 4000---- 7 loaves and a few (2 ) fish----- 7 X 2= 14

4000 divided 14 = 285.7142857

285.7142857 X 7 baskets left over = 2000, the time of the gentiles, the remaining 2 days or 2000 years

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

do you believe when Cain was booted by God, his wife, was not part of his own family, but other people that were also created living in Nod?

Nope. Since there was only ONE FAMILY, Cain would have married a relative.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

who says Adam was created at the same time the "world" was?

Only the YEC folks. They'll fight to the death for a 6,000 year old universe.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Wake up @The_Watchers_2017 and realize the facts.
The LXX matches the Vorlage Hebrew master text perfectly here......

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do you have the spetuagint verse that claims adam was 230 and then lived only 700 more years until 930?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

nevermind, this guy translated it into English and screwed it up:

The Septuagint version of the Old Testament is a translation of the Septuagint by Sir Lancelot Charles Lee Brenton, originally published by Samuel Bagster & Sons, London, in 1844, in English only.

 

[Omegatime]

do you have the spetuagint verse that claims adam was 230 and then lived only 700 more years until 930?

From the Septuagint

1 This the genealogy of men in the day in which God made Adam; in the image of God he made him:
2 male and female he made them, and blessed them; and he called his name Adam, in the day in which he made them.
3 And Adam lived two hundred and thirty years, and begot after his form, and after his image, and he called his name Seth.
4 And the days of Adam, which he lived after his begetting Seth, were seven hundred years; and he begot sons and daughters.
5 And all the days of Adam which he lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Acts 13 is in this "Torah" you are refering to? The one that DOES NOT have an online text that you can provide a link to?

Furthermore, the SIMPLE calculation of the Exodus @ approx 1605 BC and the birth of Abraham @ approx 2325 BC
is totally independent of ANY TEXT YOU CHOOSE including the corrupt Masoretic.

no, the Torah is the LAW, the Tanakh is the Old Testament.
Acts, is New Testament, 1st Book after the Gospels, if you need any more help, it comes immediately after the Gospel of John.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

From the Septuagint

1 This the genealogy of men in the day in which God made Adam; in the image of God he made him:
2 male and female he made them, and blessed them; and he called his name Adam, in the day in which he made them.
3 And Adam lived two hundred and thirty years, and begot after his form, and after his image, and he called his name Seth.
4 And the days of Adam, which he lived after his begetting Seth, were seven hundred years; and he begot sons and daughters.
5 And all the days of Adam which he lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.

Thank You!

 

[Fundaamental]

Only the YEC folks. They'll fight to the death for a 6,000 year old universe.

can't see any sword fight going on but I guess you could imagine all sorts

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

nevermind, this guy translated it into English and screwed it up:

The Septuagint version of the Old Testament is a translation of the Septuagint by Sir Lancelot Charles Lee Brenton, originally published by Samuel Bagster & Sons, London, in 1844, in English only.

So now understanding and knowing the translation from Greek to English, not Hebrew to English, but Greek to English was accomplished by one man in the 1800s, is more than enough to ask, why is anyone using the Septuagint allowed to be in any debate?

 

[Fundaamental]

So now understanding and knowing the translation from Greek to English, not Hebrew to English, but Greek to English was accomplished by one man in the 1800s, is more than enough to ask, why is anyone using the Septuagint allowed to be in any debate?

It's goes back further than that.

Genesis 11.7

Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

Psst what lauguage where they speaking befor it was devided.

Theres no definite confirmation where the Garden of eden was.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It's goes back further than that.

Genesis 11.7

Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

Psst what lauguage where they speaking befor it was devided.

Theres no definite confirmation where the Garden of eden was.

but what i mean, this version of the septuagint is not different than what Jerome did.

jerome, translated the Greek into Latin, not the Hebrew into Latin.
this guy, Charles Lee Brenton, did same thing but Greek to English.

NONE of them translated the Hebrew at all, just the Greek, which is already ONE TRANSLATION, into a secondary new Language.

that is not Legit at all!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

but what i mean, this version of the septuagint is not different than what Jerome did.

jerome, translated the Greek into Latin, not the Hebrew into Latin.
this guy, Charles Lee Brenton, did same thing but Greek to English.

NONE of them translated the Hebrew at all, just the Greek, which is already ONE TRANSLATION, into a secondary new Language.

that is not Legit at all!

i solved it!


Both Jerome and Charles Lee Brenton both translated the GREEK SEPTUAGINT.

look what Jerome says it should read, this is 3rd [[THIRD CENTURY]]

3vixit autem Adam centum triginta annis et genuit ad similitudinem et imaginem suam vocavitque nomen eius Seth

And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son to his own image and likeness, and called his name Seth.

4et facti sunt dies Adam postquam genuit Seth octingenti anni genuitque filios et filias

And the days of Adam, after he begot Seth, were eight hundred years: and he begot sons and daughters.


so one claims the Greek WORD translates into 130 and other thinks 230.

i trust Jerome over this moron any day!

Jerome lived when speaking Greek was common. His interpretation is closer to the Source.

 

[Fundaamental]

but what i mean, this version of the septuagint is not different than what Jerome did.

jerome, translated the Greek into Latin, not the Hebrew into Latin.
this guy, Charles Lee Brenton, did same thing but Greek to English.

NONE of them translated the Hebrew at all, just the Greek, which is already ONE TRANSLATION, into a secondary new Language.

that is not Legit at all!

Genesis 11.7 was the time of Abram,

Which by most accounts is roughly 4000 years ago

So if most people's idea is right
That means we have 2000 years of a lauguage that was undivided.

All other languages could have been translated from a devided lauguage.

Thus the question what language was undivided befor genesis 11.7

If you say just 1 ,

How do you know for sure🤔