In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

[Diakonos]

I went through this for 10 pages.

However here is the correct translation from the Hebrews bible but first the KJV of 1 Peter 3:10, 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Hebrews translation to English is as follows

The day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night, and the heavens will suddenly pass away and the foundations will burn and melt and the earth and the deeds that were They will burn on it: 11 And now if all these will be consumed, how much more must you go

First thing to note is this hebrews translation says the foundations will melt where as the KJV says the elements.

Second thing to note, if you wish to search other translation, they say the foundation will disintegrate, which is a miss representation.

They will not disintegrate and be no more, they will melt turn to lava and consume the earth. And all the works of the earth.

This means the foundations are an eternal heavenly fire 😋

In 2 Pet 3:10, the original Greek word λυθήσεται (the word you say should be translated as "foundations") is written in the future passive tense, meaning the action will happen to the foundations, not the other way around. The "foundations" will not be destroying anything else; they are the object of the destruction.

Do you deny the inerrancy of the original Greek manuscripts that the New Testament was written in?

 

[cv5]

Mary was not asked permission no matter how hard you try to twist the text to make it say what you want .

The primordial lie of Satan: that God is a tyrant who disallows free will and choice.

And the other lie that the Holy Spirit rapes young ladies.

 

[Diakonos]

Of course I don't disagree with them, they are scripture.... what I possibly disagree with is our understanding of that scripture...

all the verses in the New Testament are absolutely true... Eve was the mother of all those living, because from Noah on, there was no chance of anybody else from any other "bloodline" being alive. Adam and Eve were most certainly the creators of the lineage of Adam... no question...

This does not say that they were the only human beings that God created.

I hear what you are trying to say. But I asked you something...

1. Did you have any issues with the biblical evidence I gave in post #725?
2. Since you are the one who suggested there might be people who lived before Adam, do you have any biblical evidence to support that suggestion?

 

[Fundaamental]

In 2 Pet 3:10, the original Greek word λυθήσεται (the word you say should be translated as "foundations") is written in the future passive tense, meaning the action will happen to the foundations, not the other way around. The "foundations" will not be destroying anything else; they are the object of the destruction.

Do you deny the inerrancy of the original Greek manuscripts that the New Testament was written in?

I dont agree, but you have your view I have mine.

as for the original texts they translate as foundation.

And also translate as the earth being consumed by the foundations. Not the other way round.

But since you don't want to see that then I would suggest read pages 10 to 20. Because I'm not going over it again.

 

[Magenta]

The primordial lie of Satan: that God is a tyrant who disallows free will and choice.

And the other lie that the Holy Spirit rapes young ladies.

The primordial lie of Satan is one you promote: you will not surely die.

I don't see anything in Scripture attesting to what you claim.

Nor have you provided anything, because you cannot.

Here is some music you can dance to while you twist away...

 

[hornetguy]

I hear what you are trying to say. But I asked you something...

1. Did you have any issues with the biblical evidence I gave in post #725?
2. Since you are the one who suggested there might be people who lived before Adam, do you have any biblical evidence to support that suggestion?

All I have is what Genesis 1, 2, and 3 say... there is nothing specific that SAYS it, but reading and understanding those chapters leads to that supposition.
The scriptures you quote do not say there were no other people, they just say that everyone living is of his lineage, which is true.

And I did answer your #1 question... see post 780

 

[cv5]

The primordial lie of Satan is one you promote: you will not surely die.

I don't see anything in Scripture attesting to what you claim.

Nor have you provided anything, because you cannot.

Here is some music you can dance to while you twist away...

For you to say that God is a rapist and a tyrant puts you in some very bad company. You had better pray that you don't end up where they are going.

 

[Cameron143]

For you to say that God is a rapist and a tyrant puts you in some very bad company. You had better pray that you don't end up where they are going.

Since when does God choosing to bless and exalt someone make Him a tyrant?
Mary certainly received it as such. It humbled her and led her into worship.

 

[cv5]

Since when does God choosing to bless and exalt someone make Him a tyrant?
Mary certainly received it as such. It humbled her and led her into worship.

That's right she did receive it......by an act of her own free will.

Never ever forget that.

"Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat"

 

[Cameron143]

That's right she did receive it......by an act of her own free will.

Never ever forget that.

"Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat"

That's a perfectly good answer to a post I never wrote. I'm not talking about freewill. I'm asking why would God be considered a tyrant for choosing to bless and exalt someone. Do you have a comment on that?

Just as an aside...why would anyone want a choice that is contrary to God? Isn't Proverbs 3:5-6 about God leading us into the best choices?

Enough that God my Father knows
That nothing this faith can dim.
He gives the very best to those
Who leave the choice with Him.
Hudson Taylor

 

[cv5]

I'm asking why would God be considered a tyrant for choosing to bless and exalt someone.

Bless them by raping them against their free will?

And if you didn't notice God is constantly offering the ultimate blessing to people.
Yet because of their own inviolable free will they turn Him down.

 

[cv5]

"Bless them by raping them against their free will?"

There are criminals in prisons the world over who think that way. They are known as psychopaths with a criminal psychological profile.

 

[Cameron143]

Bless them by raping them against their free will?

And if you didn't notice God is constantly offering the ultimate blessing to people.
Yet because of their own inviolable free will they turn him down.

Again you avoid the question. The angel comes with an announcement of God's favor. What did God force her to do? And why the use of the word rape as if God could sin.

How about this? God chose Jonah to go to Nineveh. Do you have any problems with the way God motivated Jonah to get him there? Did God remove Jonah's freewill?

The very nature of God's grace lends itself to acceptance.

 

[cv5]

Again you avoid the question. The angel comes with an announcement of God's favor. What did God force her to do? And why the use of the word rape as if God could sin.

Are you confused again? God did NOT force Mary to do or accept anything. Therefore God did not sin.

A proposal was first negotiated/offered, then accepted by an act of free will. Simple as that.

Same goes for salvation. Jesus is pleading, God is commanding, but NOBODY is forcing ANYBODY to get saved.

 

[cv5]

The very nature of God's grace lends itself to acceptance.

Is that why only the Hivites/Gibeonites and the Rahab clan were spared in Canaan?

Hardly. Both parties negotiated for peace. An act of their own free will.

Did all Israel hearken to their Messiah at His first coming? No. They rejected Him in an act of their own free will.

Luk 12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

 

[cv5]

God chose Jonah to go to Nineveh. Do you have any problems with the way God motivated Jonah to get him there? Did God remove Jonah's freewill?.

Jonah was ALREADY a bondslave of Jesus Christ. Literally owned. Just like we Christians. The covenant was struck, and Jonah bailed out on his marching orders. So then God gave Jonah the gears and He does the same thing to us His property.

Both Jonah and we Christians have ALREADY accepted the specific terms that God has offered. Subsequently, God has every right to commandeer our lives as He sees fit.

Same goes for Israel at the Exodus. Binding legal terms were offered and accepted by an act of free will. After that point, Israel was God's bondservants in effect with all of the benefits and restrictions. And God did not fail in judging them accordingly.

Both Israel and Christians and Gods servants the prophets all obtain something that others outside the covenants do not:
eternal mercy and grace.

 

[Cameron143]

Is that why only the Hivites/Gibeonites and the Rahab clan were spared in Canaan?

Hardly. Both parties negotiated for peace. An act of their own free will.

Did all Israel hearken to their Messiah at His first coming? No. They rejected Him in an act of their own free will.

Luk 12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Philippians 2:13 says God is willing and doing of His good pleasure in us. This is sovereign action on God's part. Just as the scripture you quote. There is no absolute freewill. Paul says as much to the Athenians at Mars Hill...that God has set the bounds of their habitation. Daniel 4 and particularly verse 35 makes the same point as does James when he says if the Lord wills we will buy and sell and make much gain.
This is all easily evidenced in our own lives. Which of us chose to be born? Did we choose the time? Did we choose our eye color? Did we choose our families or the country of our birth?
Our lives are better when God makes the choices. That's the great value in following Proverbs 3:5-6.

 

[Cameron143]

Jonah was ALREADY a bondslave of Jesus Christ. Literally owned. Just like we Christians. The covenant was struck, and Jonah bailed out on his marching orders. So then God gave Jonah the gears and He does the same thing to us His property.

Both Jonah and we Christians have ALREADY accepted the specific terms that God has offered. Subsequently, God has every right to commandeer our lives as He sees fit.

Same goes for Israel at the Exodus. Binding legal terms were offered and accepted by an act of free will. After that point, Israel was God's bondservants in effect with all of the benefits and restrictions. And God did not fail in judging them accordingly.

Both Israel and Christians and Gods servants the prophets all obtain something that others outside the covenants do not:
eternal mercy and grace.

God has sovereign authority over all creation, not just the portion that has submitted.

 

[cv5]

God has sovereign authority over all creation, not just the portion that has submitted.

Another aspect that you have (maybe? probably? predictably? definitely?) failed to account for:

This offer to Mary was OUTSIDE of the terms of the Mosaic covenant. A novel agreement was brokered and accepted.

 

[Cameron143]

Another aspect that you have (maybe? probably? predictably? definitely?) failed to account for:

This offer to Mary was OUTSIDE of the terms of the Mosaic covenant. A novel agreement was brokered and accepted.

God's sovereignty is never impinged upon by the choices of people. No covenant alters that.