Iniquity

[PS]

I watched the video till the halfway point and then gave up.

I think the Apostle Paul had it covered when he wrote this to the Ephesians in chapter 4:30

30 "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 and be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Paul tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit and in verse 31 he tells us the things we need to cast aside and in verse 32 he tells us the virtues that we need to foster.

If we take Paul's advice and live our life accordingly I don't think we are going to do much that is wrong at all and if that is the case then rather than try to live by the law as some seek to do, all we need to do is remember Paul's advise not to grieve the Holy Spirit and we have it covered.

 

[JLHillsSr]

I watched the video till the halfway point and then gave up.

I think the Apostle Paul had it covered when he wrote this to the Ephesians in chapter 4:30

30 "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 and be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Paul tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit and in verse 31 he tells us the things we need to cast aside and in verse 32 he tells us the virtues that we need to foster.

If we take Paul's advice and live our life accordingly I don't think we are going to do much that is wrong at all and if that is the case then rather than try to live by the law as some seek to do, all we need to do is remember Paul's advise not to grieve the Holy Spirit and we have it covered.

This is the good conscience of God. Spot on.

 

[MaggieMye]

Iniquity is the PROPENSITY TOWARDS a certain type of sin. Iniquity is what is passed down from generation to generation through the blood.

Maggie

 

[JLHillsSr]

Iniquity is the PROPENSITY TOWARDS a certain type of sin. Iniquity is what is passed down from generation to generation through the blood.

Maggie

Iniquity is natural. It comes from free will. You are talking about the old sin nature. This was imputed in Gen 3:15.

 

[JLHillsSr]

I have a simple Question........who punishes us for our sins.

 

[MaggieMye]

God does not punish. But He will remove His protection from us and allow the devil to have his way with, in, on and through us if we do not repent of committed sin. We, of course, see that as punishment, but in truth, it is simply the CONSEQUENCES of our choices.
Maggie

 

[JLHillsSr]

God does not punish. But He will remove His protection from us and allow the devil to have his way with, in, on and through us if we do not repent of committed sin. We, of course, see that as punishment, but in truth, it is simply the CONSEQUENCES of our choices.
Maggie

So who is our enemy.

 

[cfultz3]

My brothers, if one of you(a Christian therefore) should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this.
Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death(the Christian who has erred) and cover over a multitude of sins
James5:19

Your teaching is dangerous and unscriptural.

It is a good job King David did not live under your rules for the new covenant isn't it. If he did he would definately have sinned unto death, as you put it and been cast into a lake of fire.

What about the man who slept with his Father's wife? Paul told the Corinthian church to forgive him and restore him to fellowship, how does this fit in with your theology?

God is more forgiving, loving, and compassionate than you are able to comprehend

and your point

 

[JLHillsSr]

........who punishes us for our sins.

 

[starfield]

........who punishes us for our sins.

Even though we as believers rest in the finished work of Christ for our salvation this does not mean we can sin with impunity. There are serious consequences of harbouring iniquity in our hearts and lives. God will chastise believers that err so that they will repent and be partakers of His holiness. Chastising can come in form of unanswered prayers or God removing His hand of protection and withholding blessings when we choose to go our own way. Sometimes people wonder why God is not answering their prayer; this may be due to unrepentant sins just as the Psalmist said "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me" (Psalms 66:18) and John 9:31 says "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth". In addition, King David knew he was not in right standing with God consequently, he lost the joy of his salvation and pled that the Holy Spirit should not depart from him. The same can happen to those who live with unrepentant sin - they may feel that God is distant. In such case they ought to go back to the cross and ask God to search their hearts and reveal to them any sins (be it sins of omission, commission, or besetting sins), they should ask God to cleanse their hearts and put a more submissive spirit within them, and plead for His grace to enable them live victoriously.

I like this honest prayer of repentance: Psalms 51:1-13
1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

God's chastening is purposeful:
1 Cor 11:31-32
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Heb 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

God occasionally allows misfortunes come our way however it doesn't always mean we're not in good terms with Him. He might just be passing us through the refining fire to strengthen our faith, as in the case of Job, the three Hebrew boys, and Daniel.

 

[cfultz3]

אָוֶן 'aven H205 Iniquity
1) trouble, wickedness, sorrow
a) trouble, sorrow
b) idolatry
c) trouble of iniquity, wickedness

לֵב leb H3820 Heart
1) inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding
a) inner part, midst
1) midst (of things)
2) heart (of man)
3) soul, heart (of man)
4) mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory
5) inclination, resolution, determination (of will)
6) conscience
7) heart (of moral character)
8) as seat of appetites
9) as seat of emotions and passions
10) as seat of courage



Psa 41:6 KJV - And if he come to see [me], he speaketh vanity: his heart gathereth iniquity to itself; [when] he goeth abroad, he telleth [it].

Psa 66:18 KJV - If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear [me]:

The word for 'regard' (H7200) is also interesting for understanding.


It means to see, to look at.


With the mind's eye (the view we have when we think) we see our thoughts.


So, when it says 'regard iniquity', it is actually saying: keeping your mind's eye focused (considering, pondering, visioning) on iniquity.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Here is another great verse used to seperate the wicked from the righteous!

 

[mark54]

........who punishes us for our sins.

From my own experiance, we reap the rewards of our folly. We are not punished as such, but pay a price for not walking close to our Saviour, for the world can bring nothing but unhappiness, and if we become entangled in the world once we have known the truth, the unhappiness this brings is far greater than for someone who has never come to God through His Son.
We lose our peace, happiness, confidence, and suffer much loneliness depression, and more besides. These are natural consequences of us not putting God first in our lives, and looking insteade to what cannot bring peace and happiness to us.
So God does not have to punish us, for we do that to ourselves
But all the time Christ is their, waiting for us to come to the end of our folly with open arms, for he loves us with a love far greater than we can comprehend, and if we are called to forgive our brother seventy times seven, how much more does God forgive us undeserving sinners

 

[JLHillsSr]

From my own experiance, we reap the rewards of our folly. We are not punished as such, but pay a price for not walking close to our Saviour, for the world can bring nothing but unhappiness, and if we become entangled in the world once we have known the truth, the unhappiness this brings is far greater than for someone who has never come to God through His Son.
We lose our peace, happiness, confidence, and suffer much loneliness depression, and more besides. These are natural consequences of us not putting God first in our lives, and looking insteade to what cannot bring peace and happiness to us.
So God does not have to punish us, for we do that to ourselves
But all the time Christ is their, waiting for us to come to the end of our folly with open arms, for he loves us with a love far greater than we can comprehend, and if we are called to forgive our brother seventy times seven, how much more does God forgive us undeserving sinners

We are punished. The question is, however, by whom?

 

[JLHillsSr]

Your post seemed to say(from my reading of it) that if a Christiasn willfully, deliberatley sins they have sinned unto death, in other words there is no way back for them. If that is not what you meant I am happy to apologise
I take it therefore you are now saying that if a Christian does wilfully err and live a life of flagrant sin, God will forgive them if they come in true repentance
If that is not your view, please let me know so there is no misunderstanding
Thanks

On the contrary. The object here is to not get to the point of sin. Our sins are forgiven.

However:

Isa 53:5 KJV - But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

If we keep the good conscience of God, however, we are able to abstain from iniquity (evil thoughts), the longer we do this the closer we become with Christ.

 

[JLHillsSr]

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Here is another great verse used to seperate the wicked from the righteous!

What is the seal?

 

[JLHillsSr]

........who punishes us for our sins.

It is our guilt that is the enemy.
Guilt actually shows our doubt in salvation, and forgiveness. Many confess to God, but fall short of faith in His forgiveness. Guilt, therefor, is an example of iniquity.

 

[GreenNnice]

I watched the video till the halfway point and then gave up.

I think the Apostle Paul had it covered when he wrote this to the Ephesians in chapter 4:30

30 "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 and be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Paul tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit and in verse 31 he tells us the things we need to cast aside and in verse 32 he tells us the virtues that we need to foster.

If we take Paul's advice and live our life accordingly I don't think we are going to do much that is wrong at all and if that is the case then rather than try to live by the law as some seek t
to do, all we need to do is remember Paul's advise not to grieve the Holy Spirit and we have it covered.

So, this is saying, we need to USE the spiritual gifts God gives us today, just like yesterday, to understand His spiritual truths, as He reveals them to us, and, that's by FAITH ! Faith that's not just in any Tom, Dick, or, Zoney , but a faith that is aliVe in Him , understanding the work He is doing in our life, living 'perfectly' as He leads us. The Lord leads. Follow Him. John 21:22 . .

Without His way to go, there is no where to go. He showed us His way, and, then, KNOWS we are with sinful flesh but He knows too that by His blood shed for us, we are cleansed, and, not just 'should,' we MUST accept His leading in our life, for not to is denying Him.
Deny Him and He WILL deny you. This is not just speaking about shouting His name from the mountaintops, it is about the whole approach, the entire understanding that we need to be 'all in' to follow Him. Otherwise, indeed, we do grieve Him, our SINS our covered, those He knows of and understands INFINITELY well, what grieves Him is unrecognition of when we CHOOSE Him, we ARE choosing His way leading our life (and, yes, by visions, dreams, just plain happenings of your doing things, He WILL lead ) , we MUST, CRUCIFY OUR FLESH, and, live FOR His leading, He will show you through His Word and words the way to The Way home.

Ceefultz, showed me this thread did he, God bless you , brother

 

[JLHillsSr]

So, this is saying, we need to USE the spiritual gifts God gives us today, just like yesterday, to understand His spiritual truths, as He reveals them to us, and, that's by FAITH ! Faith that's not just in any Tom, Dick, or, Zoney , but a faith that is aliVe in Him , understanding the work He is doing in our life, living 'perfectly' as He leads us. The Lord leads. Follow Him. John 21:22 . .

Without His way to go, there is no where to go. He showed us His way, and, then, KNOWS we are with sinful flesh but He knows too that by His blood shed for us, we are cleansed, and, not just 'should,' we MUST accept His leading in our life, for not to is denying Him.
Deny Him and He WILL deny you. This is not just speaking about shouting His name from the mountaintops, it is about the whole approach, the entire understanding that we need to be 'all in' to follow Him. Otherwise, indeed, we do grieve Him, our SINS our covered, those He knows of and understands INFINITELY well, what grieves Him is unrecognition of when we CHOOSE Him, we ARE choosing His way leading our life (and, yes, by visions, dreams, just plain happenings of your doing things, He WILL lead ) , we MUST, CRUCIFY OUR FLESH, and, live FOR His leading, He will show you through His Word and words the way to The Way home.

Ceefultz, showed me this thread did he, God bless you , brother

By accepting the birth, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus and of the Body of Christ, we are dead already.

Rom 7:4 KJV - Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[JLHillsSr]

The word for 'regard' (H7200) is also interesting for understanding.


It means to see, to look at.


With the mind's eye (the view we have when we think) we see our thoughts.


So, when it says 'regard iniquity', it is actually saying: keeping your mind's eye focused (considering, pondering, visioning) on iniquity.

Could this be what it is meant by these two verses:

Gen 3:5 KJV - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:22 KJV - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: