Instant or delayed resurrection - life and death before and after the Cross

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1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by the tradition from your fathers.
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by Him do believe in God, that raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently
23 Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Have we been redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, through the Spirit, and been born again, not of corruptible seed (flesh body) but of incorruptible (spiritual body), by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever?

I am proposing that once we come to faith, are born again and receive the GIFT OF SALVATION, we are TRULY physically and spiritually made NEW CREATURES and at THAT POINT our new 'seed' is what is growing and it is 'that seed' that when the 'flesh' is sown at death,

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

goes on to be with the Lord,

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be (earthen vessel), but bare grain, (incorruptible seed) it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain

38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him, and to every seed his own body.


AND IT DOES NOT 'go dormant' waiting to come to life at some later date.

I believe we are given a glimpse in Matt 20:1-16, just one of many places.

Matthew 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

For those who have 'worked in the field', payment comes at the end of that day and we are not 'put off' until EVERYONE has worked, as in a 'last day resurrection' when Christ returns on the Day of vengeance, the beginning of the Lords Day. And we ALREADY saw the 'last day', take place, in which those in the graves would hear His voice and the graves would be opened when OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST became THE LAMB SLAIN.

Born again, born of the spirit, born from above, qualifies us to be of THE FIRST RESURRECTION. The first resurrection NOT BEING OF TIME AND PLACE BUT OF GIFT AND RANK and ONLY BEING A DEATH OF THE EARTHEN FLESH VESSEL (For as in Adam all die),

so an immediate 'going to be with the Lord WHERE HE IS' (even so in Christ shall all be made alive) (payment at the end of the day and GO to be where He is)



WE ALL KNOW EXACTLY 'WHAT TIME IT IS' BY WHAT HAS AND HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE aka which trumps have sounded and to be sure WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE TAKING WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE LAST TRUMP HAS SOUNDED AND TRYING TO PLACE IT ANYWHERE ELSE

THE 'SOULS UNDER THE ALTAR' 'HAVE BEEN AVENGED' THEY'RE WAITING UNTIL FELLOW SERVANTS HAVE DONE THEIR JOBS' COMPLETED

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for HE HATH judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and HATH avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.
3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, ALL YE HIS SERVANTS and YE THAT FEAR HIM BOTH SMALL AND GREAT
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

REV 19:11 - 20:3 THE GROOM COMING TO THE EARTH FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE, ALSO FOR THE WEDDING BRINGING WITH HIM THE REST OF THE BODY AND TO THEM WILL BE JOINED ALL THE 'ALIVE AND REMAINING' WHO WILL BE CHANGED, GATHERED, THEN RECEIVING THEIR ROBES BE READY TO REIGN AND RULE WITH HIM FOR THE LORDS DAY

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

AND I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; AND THEY lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER.

SO THOSE OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION ARE NOT OF A 'SPECIFIC DAY' they are of a 'SPECIFIC TYPE' aka SAVED by FAITH through grace and the BLOOD of the LAMB.

And we know this is truth because THE DEAD stand at the GWTJ, not the living.

 

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THE LAST DAY - (and maybe started the war in heaven)

The day that SEPARATES what happens at death. The last day 'under the law' AND the first day 'under grace'.

Christ, in bringing in the New Covenant doing what the law could not, FORGIVE and all that goes with it.

Those under the law had to be perfect to receive 'eternal' life at the death of the flesh. But we are told there are those who came in faith even then and were risen

Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

If they were 'sleeping/dead' then HE would not be able to call Himself the GOD OF ABRAHAM, would He?


Here we are told of the difference in FOOD from above


John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent Me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto Me.

46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

John 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

BEFORE AND AFTER

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

AND HE DID

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH ETERNAL LIFE eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in Him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA AND ARE DEAD he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.


To me that is A DEFINITE CONTRAST BEING SHOWN US. Notice what IS NOT BEING DISCUSSED? A SPECIFIC TIME. NOT the end times. NOT the return of Christ. CHRIST is speaking on life and death and NO WHERE IS HE INDICATING A DELAY OF ANY SORT. HE DOES NOT MENTION A 'PAUSE', A NAP, A MILLENNIUM IN THAT ETERNAL LIFE IN WHICH THERE STILL IS DEATH.

THEY ARE DEAD AND WE WILL LIVE.

IF there was NO CHANGE, then there would be no mention.

IF I have missed something here that POINTS TO A SINGLE FUTURE DATE PLEASE SHOW ME.

Is a 'last day' EVER mentioned again after the work on the Cross? I don't think so


Here we see JESUS SETTING MARTH STRAIGHT on 'a last day resurrection' , which is BASICALLY A 'NO'
John 11:20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live

26 And WHOSOEVER LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?

27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.

NO PAUSE MENTIONED, NO SLEEP FOR A WHILE, NO COMING BACK FOR YOU AT THE END OF THE AGE



John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think I agree

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:24‬ ‭KJV‬

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The judgement of the living the first resurrection

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The jidgement of the dead the last resurrection

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭

“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:12, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some will die in thier sins rejecting his judgement , and others will hear and believe his judgement and live even though their body dies they will be with the lord that day

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:43

we have been delivered in him if it be so that we hear and accept his word now rather than later

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭

we can be believers or non believers of his word either way it is our judgement now or later life or death by the same word

 

[kleronomos]

John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.
32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

There is one question that gives us the answer of where we go when we die and that is WHERE IS CHRIST RIGHT NOW? IF WHERE HE IS, IS IN HEAVEN ,THEN THAT IS WHERE WE WILL GO TOO.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?


6 Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen him.



15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.

1718. emphanizó

Strong's Concordance​

emphanizó: to exhibit, appear (in person), to declare

Original Word: ἐμφανίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: emphanizó
Phonetic Spelling: (em-fan-id'-zo)
Definition: to exhibit, appear (in person), to declare
Usage: I make visible (manifest); hence: I report (inform) against; pass: I appear before.​

22 Judas saith unto Him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest Thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode (3438) with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent Me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

We don't hear 'come to the world, we don't hear as King and Lord, we don't hear, on a horse, or in a cloud, or with power or any of the other things we are told of His Second Advent. There is no mention of the end of an age. There is the Lords death and our death and where He will be and where we will be. THIS IS AT OUR DEATH. WE HAVE A LAST DAY AND THAT LAST DAY IS THE DAY OF OUR DEATH, as in all die in Adam death.

 

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“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭

BUT since THIS already happened we know that there is not a single 'DAY' for the resurrection of the just souls and another 'DAY' for the resurrection of the un just souls but

THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESURRECTIONS.

When one has been saved THEIR RESURRECTION IS TO IMMORTALITY.

When one has NOT ACCEPTED THE GIFT OF SALVATION, THEIR RESURRECTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMORTALITY.

The 'saved' go on to be with GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven, while the 'unsaved' stay in the earth.

The 'saved' return with Christ, some of the 'unsaved' resurrect when He returns.

The 'saved' rule and reign with Christ for the millennium, the 'unsaved' are ruled over.

The 'saved' are immortal and incorruptible, the 'unsaved' are incorruptible, yet mortal.

THOSE are the TWO resurrections and YOU ARE EITHER SAVED OR UNSAVED IN RESURRECTION.

You are either of the FIRST saved or you are of the 'second or second death'.



Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.


51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


WHICH IS NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND 1 CORINTH.


IF THE DEAD DON'T RISE THEN JESUS ISN'T RISEN AND IT IS PROVED AGAIN HERE

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when Thou comest into Thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

BUT since THIS already happened we know that there is not a single 'DAY' for the resurrection of the just souls and another 'DAY' for the resurrection of the un just souls but

THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESURRECTIONS.

When one has been saved THEIR RESURRECTION IS TO IMMORTALITY.

When one has NOT ACCEPTED THE GIFT OF SALVATION, THEIR RESURRECTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMORTALITY.

The 'saved' go on to be with GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven, while the 'unsaved' stay in the earth.

The 'saved' return with Christ, some of the 'unsaved' resurrect when He returns.

The 'saved' rule and reign with Christ for the millennium, the 'unsaved' are ruled over.

The 'saved' are immortal and incorruptible, the 'unsaved' are incorruptible, yet mortal.

THOSE are the TWO resurrections and YOU ARE EITHER SAVED OR UNSAVED IN RESURRECTION.

You are either of the FIRST saved or you are of the 'second or second death'.



Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.


51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


WHICH IS NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND 1 CORINTH.


IF THE DEAD DON'T RISE THEN JESUS ISN'T RISEN AND IT IS PROVED AGAIN HERE

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when Thou comest into Thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

in the end those who rejected the gospel are going to be on this group

“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:12-13, 15‬ ‭

believers are like the man on THe cross they are just departing thier body because they already passed from death into life they are leaving the earth to be with Jesus

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:6, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the man on the cross left his body and was present with Jesus in the kingdom. Those who reject the gospel have a different fate and different judgement according to all they have done without the remission of sins through repentance thy at the gospel offers .

Christians face judgement now and go to Jesus throne of judgement when we part the flesh others have to wait in hell , the grave and in sleep until the resurrection of the dead in the end and face the same word of judgement Christians believed and accepted and lived by

but it’s just my own opinion according to scripture doesn’t make it right

 

[kleronomos]

in the end those who rejected the gospel are going to be on this group

“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:12-13, 15‬ ‭

believers are like the man on THe cross they are just departing thier body because they already passed from death into life they are leaving the earth to be with Jesus

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:6, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the man on the cross left his body and was present with Jesus in the kingdom. Those who reject the gospel have a different fate and different judgement according to all they have done without the remission of sins through repentance thy at the gospel offers .

Christians face judgement now and go to Jesus throne of judgement when we part the flesh others have to wait in hell , the grave and in sleep until the resurrection of the dead in the end and face the same word of judgement Christians believed and accepted and lived by

but it’s just my own opinion according to scripture doesn’t make it right

You may be the person I have been looking for, or not, either way, Gods will be done. I am looking NOT to be right, but to find truth

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Who are they?


Now, I personally greatly DISLIKE questions like this, as they feel a lot like the Sadds and the Phars asking Jesus questions to try and trip Him up. So if preferred I will give my thoughts first, and I am even open to no discussion at all. Just thought I would put it out there.

 

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You may be the person I have been looking for, or not, either way, Gods will be done. I am looking NOT to be right, but to find truth

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Who are they?


Now, I personally greatly DISLIKE questions like this, as they feel a lot like the Sadds and the Phars asking Jesus questions to try and trip Him up. So if preferred I will give my thoughts first, and I am even open to no discussion at all. Just thought I would put it out there.

Yes pauls talking about the end of the world and Christs return when the dead in Christ rise. That’s not this group

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they are part of the first resurrection already having passed from death to life pauls talking about this group

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again those facing this judgement

“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Some don’t believe this part

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and don’t receive this faith

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Everyone who goes to the grave or hell isn’t going to be cast into the lake of fire they rise to be judged by thier works alone without remission of sins

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some won’t be damned forever who go to hell hell Is temporary until the last judgement when they are raised up and judged by thier works

there’s this group in Christ that accept Gods word of eternal judgement the gospel

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this group

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭

as Christians were being judged now brought to repentance and life with the same word we can accept it now and live with him or reject it and be judged in the last day by the same word

there is a resurrection in him now and always then a resurrection at the last day for all who rejected his words and will rise in the end for judgement

It’s just what I myself read though , there is a resurrection through the gospel that means when we die we aren’t going to actually die just our earthly body . And then there’s another resurrection in the end when Christ returns and the dead are raised and judged.

hell isn’t the end but a bridge to judgement

 

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