Interpretation

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Wow. This got far more traction than I had believed it would.
What you will find is the interpretation people put on the words comes down to experience.

At first this might seem strange but the subject is simple. If I was writing a guide to swimming and you almost drowned, either my guide was wrong or you did not apply it properly.

The bible is the same. The Lord is saying if you establish a relationship with Him, He will guide you.
Now a lot of people follow Christianity, but a unclear about this basic of realities.

Therefore not surprisingly their interpretations of the words vary wildly. But that is the nature of the beast, the seed, or the word bears its fruit to all who listen and put it into action.
 
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What you will find is the interpretation people put on the words comes down to experience.

At first this might seem strange but the subject is simple. If I was writing a guide to swimming and you almost drowned, either my guide was wrong or you did not apply it properly.

The bible is the same. The Lord is saying if you establish a relationship with Him, He will guide you.
Now a lot of people follow Christianity, but a unclear about this basic of realities.

Therefore not surprisingly their interpretations of the words vary wildly. But that is the nature of the beast, the seed, or the word bears its fruit to all who listen and put it into action.
It is interesting that God chose, many times, to speak of His word showing forth as fruit. There are more than 7,500 different types of fruit in our world, all good to eat. Yet it is also just as interesting that many of us just recognize the fruit we happen to think fits what we, personally, consider the only right way to demonstrate God.
 
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It is interesting that God chose, many times, to speak of His word showing forth as fruit. There are more than 7,500 different types of fruit in our world, all good to eat. Yet it is also just as interesting that many of us just recognize the fruit we happen to think fits what we, personally, consider the only right way to demonstrate God.
Yeah, the fruits are the achievements that the individual has produced. Their achievements tells a lot about a person.
 
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"Interpretation"

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Pet 1:20-21


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How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying." 1 Cor 14:26


True interpretation can only happen with Holy Ghost teaching one the truths behind each Scripture. The truth behind 2 Pet 1:20-21 is that your interpreter, Jesus(or as the Bible says, "Spirit of Jesus Christ" Phil 1:19 ), IS the spirit of prophecy!("...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" Rev 19:10b)

All one needs to do is to match everything with the Word itself, we don't need private interpretations, the Word interprets itself! For the Spirit that was given testifies of what the whole Word represents-Jesus!

"Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me" Psa 40:7(seen in Heb 10:7)

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me" John 15:26
 

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Well said Willie...we should be celebrating our differences and learning from each other. We are all a part of the body of Christ...we all have a part to play...let's let the hand be the hand and not try to "make" it a foot.....and if it doesn't operate like a hand.... that doesn't make it a wolf or a false teacher....selah
Men may have their personal differences but God's Word is ABSOLUTE ONE.
 
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TheHeroJourney

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I disappear for a few hours and now we have 2 more pages of stuff. Well I'll be. I hope I got to everything.


God made each of us different to be able to hear the diversity of His word. And I firmly believe He intended it that way... even from the choosing of the very diverse group He first picked to spread His word.

That is a rather profound way of looking at it.


If you regard the Bible to be of no more value or credibility than any work of fiction then why the interest?

Why read it then? Why has this book had so great an effect on all of mankind? Given the historical context it has survived when other books faded into obscurity. It is much more than just a book. It fills a void in mans heart that nothing else can do.

Now, you know why he said that. By our ages, many of us understand human nature enough to know why almost anyone says what they say. You used the very "key" word... INTEREST. He does know there is "something" to this "Christianity" stuff, but he's got some concerns about letting go of control of his own life.

Willie is pretty close.


I will further offer that just because I may, at this point, view the Bible as little more than a book, does not mean that there is nothing of significant or profound value to be found within.


On a more personal level, Christianity has been popping up with me a lot over this past month. In online searches, articles I have read, or even with conversations with friends. Coincidence had possibly gone out the window some time ago. I am merely curious to find out.


So, there is "something," and I do not know what. So, I sought out answers from others.


So tell me - Do you consider yourself and Agnostic or an Atheist? I see by your profile you say you are not Christian. Just interested in knowing to know how to really answer you...however, as this Blond sees it...

Agnostic fits better, I think.


To get the best understanding of the Bible it is best to sit down with the book and start reading it and much better if you first pray and ask God to send His Holy Spirit to help you understand and apply what you are reading to your life. Then you don't really have to worry about what the many different denominations try to tell you what the Bible says because if you go straight to the Author of the book you usually get the answers you are seeking.


Then again if you don't believe in God what I just wrote won't mean much to you. But it is the best answer this Blonde's got..

To a degree, I think it's safe to say that I do. To my understanding, the concept of God is simply the next level up above the other deities of other faiths. For example, a sort of collective of the entire Greco-Roman, Norse, or Kemetic pantheons are just attributes of God identified as different entities. Zeus could simply be a personification of their perception of God's justice, with a bit of their own culture tossed in to flesh him out as a character and capable of interacting with the other personifications they've imagined.


Well, this is how I hear God spoken of. If that is the case, then it is not farfetched for me to have a firm understanding and belief in God.


And a thank you for the welcome, and the cookies. :p


It's very nice to meet you!
Jesus told us what the weightier matters are. Mercy, forgiveness.
If we ever put anything above these, we have begun to go wrong.
If we can state what we believe in a manner that does not withhold mercy and forgiveness from anyone, we do well.
If we do withhold mercy and forgiveness, we will be judged exactly as we have judged.
It's very sobering and when a man understands it, he begins to leave behind bitterness over opinions and vicious disputing and begins to walk more humbly.



Thank you, and to you too!


I'll keep that in mind as I go through the rest of these, and begin a more thorough reading.


Biblical Understand first has to be in Relationship with Jesus or as The Holy Spirit provides Illumination in imparting insight and understanding to the individual reader or hearer so that " Truth is comprehended.

Are you implying that it's more of a gradual process? That illumination comes with time and study? I know many books often recommend reading thorugh it multiple times, over time. You pick up on something you didn't notice before, and then on the next read through, the understanding you gained from the previous then lets you pick up on something new, and the cycle continues.


What you will find is the interpretation people put on the words comes down to experience.


At first this might seem strange but the subject is simple. If I was writing a guide to swimming and you almost drowned, either my guide was wrong or you did not apply it properly.


The bible is the same. The Lord is saying if you establish a relationship with Him, He will guide you.
Now a lot of people follow Christianity, but a unclear about this basic of realities.


Therefore not surprisingly their interpretations of the words vary wildly. But that is the nature of the beast, the seed, or the word bears its fruit to all who listen and put it into action.
I suppose I should take that bit about Shephard a little more literally then, huh?



"Interpretation"

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Pet 1:20-21


"
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying." 1 Cor 14:26


True interpretation can only happen with Holy Ghost teaching one the truths behind each Scripture. The truth behind 2 Pet 1:20-21 is that your interpreter, Jesus(or as the Bible says, "Spirit of Jesus Christ" Phil 1:19 ), IS the spirit of prophecy!("...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" Rev 19:10b)

All one needs to do is to match everything with the Word itself, we don't need private interpretations, the Word interprets itself! For the Spirit that was given testifies of what the whole Word represents-Jesus!

"Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me" Psa 40:7(seen in Heb 10:7)

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me" John 15:26
Interesting. And assuming I am following correctly, somewhat coincides with what others have been talking about.

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I think I got to everyone... If I need to elaborate something, do let me know.
 
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So tell me - Do you consider yourself and Agnostic or an Atheist? I see by your profile you say you are not Christian. Just interested in knowing to know how to really answer you...however, as this Blond sees it...

To get the best understanding of the Bible it is best to sit down with the book and start reading it and much better if you first pray and ask God to send His Holy Spirit to help you understand and apply what you are reading to your life. Then you don't really have to worry about what the many different denominations try to tell you what the Bible says because if you go straight to the Author of the book you usually get the answers you are seeking.

Then again if you don't believe in God what I just wrote won't mean much to you. But it is the best answer this Blonde's got..
I am neither Agnostic nor Athiest. I KNOW FOR CERTAIN that God exists. I have no doubts in my mind whatsoever. Where I hang up, and please don't get upset, is that God manifested in the flesh to dwell among us to pay the price for all of our sins to open the gates of Heaven to us. It just runs up against my own stubbornness. Why would he do that? What makes us so special? Humans are wretched creatures. I should know...I was so wretched I was put behind bars to protect you from me. So why would God care enough about ME to die on the cross for ME. That is where I have problems.
 

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Hello Lost_sheep,

It just runs up against my own stubbornness. Why would he do that?
Regarding the above, King David said the same thing:

"what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them?"

Regarding this, why not rather be thankful that he did pay the penalty for our sins. It always amazes me when I think about God taking on flesh in order to be kinned to human beings and allowed his own creation to kill him in order to save us. It boggles my mind! If that isn't love, I don't know what is. Obviously God loves us and wanted to save us according to his own mercy and good pleasure.
 
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I can see your point of view. I think for me it's a matter of just seeing myself as "unworthy" and not being able to understand why someone/something would make that kind of sacrifice for me. Sounds goofy, I know, but love is something I haven't felt in my life - I've never known what it feels like to be loved.
 

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I can see your point of view. I think for me it's a matter of just seeing myself as "unworthy" and not being able to understand why someone/something would make that kind of sacrifice for me. Sounds goofy, I know, but love is something I haven't felt in my life - I've never known what it feels like to be loved.
That's just the thing, though... we are all unworthy, but God loves us so much that He gave the life of His Son that we might recognize and/or know His great love for us.
 

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I've felt that way too, lost sheep. I was never the kindest person and after I met God, I asked Him, why me? There are so many better people, a lot kinder, nicer, more caring about others and yet you chose me to show Your son to but they've never met Him.
 
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I can see your point of view. I think for me it's a matter of just seeing myself as "unworthy" and not being able to understand why someone/something would make that kind of sacrifice for me. Sounds goofy, I know, but love is something I haven't felt in my life - I've never known what it feels like to be loved.
I have some of the same issues. Try this. Love somebody like you'd like to be loved. And then do it again. And then make it a habit. Doesn't have to be big. Start small and see where it takes you.

Therefore [in] all [things], whatever you want that people should do to you, thus also you do to them. For this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12

Essentially what Jesus said here is that treating others like we'd like to be treated makes GOD very pleased.
 
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I sure appreciate the advice. Really I do. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when I say I don't know love, I mean...I don't know love. Period. Both my wives told me so to my face. My own parents told me early on in my life that I was an "oops baby". I just don't know what it means to be loved, adored, cherished. I wouldn't know how to express that to another person, which is a major reason I resigned myself to lifelong celibacy so I don't disappoint and break the heart of another woman. I don't know how to love God with all my heart. Make sense? Maybe my words fail me tonight. I'm tired.
 
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I sure appreciate the advice. Really I do. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when I say I don't know love, I mean...I don't know love. Period. Both my wives told me so to my face. My own parents told me early on in my life that I was an "oops baby". I just don't know what it means to be loved, adored, cherished. I wouldn't know how to express that to another person, which is a major reason I resigned myself to lifelong celibacy so I don't disappoint and break the heart of another woman. I don't know how to love God with all my heart. Make sense? Maybe my words fail me tonight. I'm tired.
That makes 100% sense to me, because I know the source and reasons. You and I will talk about that one of these days.
 
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I sure appreciate the advice. Really I do. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when I say I don't know love, I mean...I don't know love. Period. Both my wives told me so to my face. My own parents told me early on in my life that I was an "oops baby". I just don't know what it means to be loved, adored, cherished. I wouldn't know how to express that to another person, which is a major reason I resigned myself to lifelong celibacy so I don't disappoint and break the heart of another woman. I don't know how to love God with all my heart. Make sense? Maybe my words fail me tonight. I'm tired.
Loving GOD with all of your heart means believing with all of your heart that he sent his son into the world to die for our sins. He'll have to show you how to do that.

Do you love puppies or pussy cats or anything?
 
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You know, it would be easier to understand my position if I were to be brave enough to post my testimony about how I discovered God, or how he found me. It was an evening I will never forget as long as I live, but the route towards that meeting is a road many Christians would not like to read about because of it's secular, sinful, nature.

I'm just too new and I don't know you all well enough to open myself up like that. Funny a tough ex-con like me being bashful, but it is what it is.
 

Magenta

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I sure appreciate the advice. Really I do. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when I say I don't know love, I mean...I don't know love. Period. Both my wives told me so to my face. My own parents told me early on in my life that I was an "oops baby". I just don't know what it means to be loved, adored, cherished. I wouldn't know how to express that to another person, which is a major reason I resigned myself to lifelong celibacy so I don't disappoint and break the heart of another woman. I don't know how to love God with all my heart. Make sense? Maybe my words fail me tonight. I'm tired.
Other people will often disappoint or outright fail us in showing love, because we are conditional beings on so many levels, some of them quite superficial... but believe me, I know exactly what you mean about not feeling loved, and not knowing what it is. I was one of eleven children, and many of my siblings felt lost in the shuffle and not valued by one or both of our parents. I did not even realize how huge of an issue it was for me until I stopped running from the pain in my life and started trying to face my demons, and sort out who I was, which meant putting down the crutches of drugs and alcohol, and even romantic relationships. Nothing will deliver you like the love of God can. Being present to experience your life from the depth of your personal truth is an excellent place to start, and stay, as you seek the Lord. May you experience His love in profoundly moving ways! Then you really will know love, and everything else will pale in comparison. It is a solid rock to stand on.
 

Ahwatukee

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I can see your point of view. I think for me it's a matter of just seeing myself as "unworthy" and not being able to understand why someone/something would make that kind of sacrifice for me. Sounds goofy, I know, but love is something I haven't felt in my life - I've never known what it feels like to be loved.
Well then, you have the right spirit by considering yourself as "unworthy" for this is how God wants everyone to come to him, recognizing that we are sinners and that we don't measure up to his standards of righteousness. We receive salvation by trusting in Christ as providing our salvation and by this faith we are credited with righteousness, even while we are yet sinners. It's a free gift! Our part is continuing in faith.
 

Magenta

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You know, it would be easier to understand my position if I were to be brave enough to post my testimony about how I discovered God, or how he found me. It was an evening I will never forget as long as I live, but the route towards that meeting is a road many Christians would not like to read about because of it's secular, sinful, nature.

I'm just too new and I don't know you all well enough to open myself up like that. Funny a tough ex-con like me being bashful, but it is what it is.
Hey, we all come to Christ through the cross, which is an admission of our need of Him, and His forgiveness of our sinful secular ways :) Do you attend any support groups, like a 12 step program?