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[quote=PBUH;382810]Yet you are unable to tell me why[/quote]
Dear PBUH, Only the Christians rightly understand the New Testament (and the OT, Old Testament) as well. We should not expect any word from God after Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, of God's revelation to man. "For there is salvation in no one else; neither is there any other name [other than the name of Jesus Christ] whereby we must be saved."
All the prophets of God, and the apostles of God, were sinners, just like all of us, like you and me. Only Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is without sinned. The Bible says that "all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God." Submission to allah will not save us, as this comes from pagan roots. The true God is the God of the Old Testament (Isaiah 44:6), YAHWEH, and the God of the New Testament, Jesus Christ, the Son of God. God is one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). We must believe in the Holy Trinity in order to be saved. All other worship of "god" is idolatry and heresy and error against the truth: Jesus Christ Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life" "no man comes unto the Father", God, except through JESUS CHRIST. Not the Quran. Not Muhammad. Nor are we saved by the law of Moses, but by the grace of our Saviour Jesus Christ. In truth, Scott
Dear PBUH, Only the Christians rightly understand the New Testament (and the OT, Old Testament) as well. We should not expect any word from God after Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, of God's revelation to man. "For there is salvation in no one else; neither is there any other name [other than the name of Jesus Christ] whereby we must be saved."
All the prophets of God, and the apostles of God, were sinners, just like all of us, like you and me. Only Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is without sinned. The Bible says that "all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God." Submission to allah will not save us, as this comes from pagan roots. The true God is the God of the Old Testament (Isaiah 44:6), YAHWEH, and the God of the New Testament, Jesus Christ, the Son of God. God is one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). We must believe in the Holy Trinity in order to be saved. All other worship of "god" is idolatry and heresy and error against the truth: Jesus Christ Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life" "no man comes unto the Father", God, except through JESUS CHRIST. Not the Quran. Not Muhammad. Nor are we saved by the law of Moses, but by the grace of our Saviour Jesus Christ. In truth, Scott
Dear PBUH, Only the Christians rightly understand the New Testament (and the OT, Old Testament) as well. We should not expect any word from God after Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, of God's revelation to man. "For there is salvation in no one else; neither is there any other name [other than the name of Jesus Christ] whereby we must be saved."
All the prophets of God, and the apostles of God, were sinners, just like all of us, like you and me. Only Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is without sinned. The Bible says that "all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God." Submission to allah will not save us, as this comes from pagan roots. The true God is the God of the Old Testament (Isaiah 44:6), YAHWEH, and the God of the New Testament, Jesus Christ, the Son of God. God is one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). We must believe in the Holy Trinity in order to be saved. All other worship of "god" is idolatry and heresy and error against the truth: Jesus Christ Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life" "no man comes unto the Father", God, except through JESUS CHRIST. Not the Quran. Not Muhammad. Nor are we saved by the law of Moses, but by the grace of our Saviour Jesus Christ. In truth, Scott
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Hi Scott
You state that only Christians rightly understand the scripture. I refute this. The holy spirit you refer to is really a prophet. I have shown how the verses apply to the prophet. You need to show how they apply to the holy spirit.
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Hi Scott[/B]
You state that only Christians rightly understand the scripture. I refute this. The holy spirit you refer to is really a prophet. I have shown how the verses apply to the prophet. You need to show how they apply to the holy spirit.[/quote]
Dear PBUH, The Scripture says, "Has any man sinned? We have an Advocate with God the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". Christ is God. God manifest in the flesh. Not merely a man or just another profit. Eternal and everlasting God, the Messiah, the Christ, the Anointed On, the Son of the Living God. Another Advocate is the Holy Spirit of Christ, Who proceedeth from the Father. The God of the Bible (ISAIAH 44:6) is the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. The Holy Spirit. From day one God revealed Himself as Three Persons: In GENESIS 1:26, "Let US make man in Our image ...." God is Unity within Trinity. Trinity within unity. Also, in Genesis 18, God appeared to Abraham as three men, three angels. Three messengers. This is a THEOPHANY of the HOLY TRINITY. If one is a Christian, one WILL UNDERSTAND THIS. If not, this seems like nonsense. The world cannot receive the Holy Spirit, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But as Christians we know Him and receive Him, for He is LORD. As it says in the Old Covennant, we live, "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the LORD of Hosts. God bless you, Muslim friend. PBUH. God be with you. And show you who Christ is. In America, Scott
You state that only Christians rightly understand the scripture. I refute this. The holy spirit you refer to is really a prophet. I have shown how the verses apply to the prophet. You need to show how they apply to the holy spirit.[/quote]
Dear PBUH, The Scripture says, "Has any man sinned? We have an Advocate with God the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". Christ is God. God manifest in the flesh. Not merely a man or just another profit. Eternal and everlasting God, the Messiah, the Christ, the Anointed On, the Son of the Living God. Another Advocate is the Holy Spirit of Christ, Who proceedeth from the Father. The God of the Bible (ISAIAH 44:6) is the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. The Holy Spirit. From day one God revealed Himself as Three Persons: In GENESIS 1:26, "Let US make man in Our image ...." God is Unity within Trinity. Trinity within unity. Also, in Genesis 18, God appeared to Abraham as three men, three angels. Three messengers. This is a THEOPHANY of the HOLY TRINITY. If one is a Christian, one WILL UNDERSTAND THIS. If not, this seems like nonsense. The world cannot receive the Holy Spirit, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But as Christians we know Him and receive Him, for He is LORD. As it says in the Old Covennant, we live, "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the LORD of Hosts. God bless you, Muslim friend. PBUH. God be with you. And show you who Christ is. In America, Scott
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Pbuh, please respond to this:
Before we go on, we must deal with the term pbuh. This cryptic word is accepted by Muslims as an abbreviation for "peace be upon him." It is respectfully spoken of as well as written after repeating the name of Muhammad. Although it is supposed to be the rendering of an Arabic phrase, it is actually not a true translation - only half of it is. The Arabic phrase is Salla-llahu 'wassalam. It occurs in the Quranic text and literally reads, "Lo! Allah and His angels pray upon the prophet. Oh yea who believe, pray on him and salute him with peace."
One is utterly confounded when the literal and real translation is understood. Why do our Muslim friends hide the real meaning of pbuh? Is it because the Arabic statement is embarrassing since it contradicts Muslim doctrine?
How is Allah supposed to pray to Muhammad and greet Him or anyone else for that matter? Does Allah pray? And if He does, to whom does he pray? Is this passage not contrary to Muslim theology, which teaches that Allah is prayed to but He never prays to anyone else? Or does Allah really pray to other human beings or only to Muhammad, Allah's own prophet? The confusion of this popular Islamic expression leaves one perplexed and hanging in the air. (Dr. Anis A. Shorrosh, Islam Revealed: A Christian Arab's View of Islam [Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1988], p. 179)
How is this possible that Allah would pray to anyone? Doesn't this totally disprove Islam therefore disproving everything you say? Please explain. Stand up for what you believe in or see the light and let us pray with you.
Before we go on, we must deal with the term pbuh. This cryptic word is accepted by Muslims as an abbreviation for "peace be upon him." It is respectfully spoken of as well as written after repeating the name of Muhammad. Although it is supposed to be the rendering of an Arabic phrase, it is actually not a true translation - only half of it is. The Arabic phrase is Salla-llahu 'wassalam. It occurs in the Quranic text and literally reads, "Lo! Allah and His angels pray upon the prophet. Oh yea who believe, pray on him and salute him with peace."
One is utterly confounded when the literal and real translation is understood. Why do our Muslim friends hide the real meaning of pbuh? Is it because the Arabic statement is embarrassing since it contradicts Muslim doctrine?
How is Allah supposed to pray to Muhammad and greet Him or anyone else for that matter? Does Allah pray? And if He does, to whom does he pray? Is this passage not contrary to Muslim theology, which teaches that Allah is prayed to but He never prays to anyone else? Or does Allah really pray to other human beings or only to Muhammad, Allah's own prophet? The confusion of this popular Islamic expression leaves one perplexed and hanging in the air. (Dr. Anis A. Shorrosh, Islam Revealed: A Christian Arab's View of Islam [Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1988], p. 179)
How is this possible that Allah would pray to anyone? Doesn't this totally disprove Islam therefore disproving everything you say? Please explain. Stand up for what you believe in or see the light and let us pray with you.
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Prove this wrong:
We do not have any trace of the prophet Muhamad for about 250 years after after his death. For the 6th and 7th century we do not have even any trace of the name „Muhamad“ itself. The reason: Muhamad was at that time a title and not a name. The first mentions of muhamad* come from the eastern-provinces* of the Persian Empire on coins bearing this name plus christian symbols. muhamad was used by Christian Arabs and meant the „to be praised one“. Coins bearing the muhamad-logo and/or „halifat Allah“ together with a standardized figure with a large sword, were traditionally interpreted to be a Caliph or even Muhamad. Modern research tells us, it is without doubt the eschatologic Christ with the sword of judgment and the title „announcer for god“ (halifat Allah). The „to be praised one“, the muhamad was Jesus. This* very clearly tells the inscription in the „Dome of Rock“ in Jerusalem: „To be praised is Isa bin Maryiam“. The muhamad was the Christ of the Arabian Christians, it was Jesus. During 9th centure the muhamad developped into the Muhamad, the Prophet of the Arabs. „Muhamad“ was a figure of identification, but did not exist as person.
We do not have any trace of the prophet Muhamad for about 250 years after after his death. For the 6th and 7th century we do not have even any trace of the name „Muhamad“ itself. The reason: Muhamad was at that time a title and not a name. The first mentions of muhamad* come from the eastern-provinces* of the Persian Empire on coins bearing this name plus christian symbols. muhamad was used by Christian Arabs and meant the „to be praised one“. Coins bearing the muhamad-logo and/or „halifat Allah“ together with a standardized figure with a large sword, were traditionally interpreted to be a Caliph or even Muhamad. Modern research tells us, it is without doubt the eschatologic Christ with the sword of judgment and the title „announcer for god“ (halifat Allah). The „to be praised one“, the muhamad was Jesus. This* very clearly tells the inscription in the „Dome of Rock“ in Jerusalem: „To be praised is Isa bin Maryiam“. The muhamad was the Christ of the Arabian Christians, it was Jesus. During 9th centure the muhamad developped into the Muhamad, the Prophet of the Arabs. „Muhamad“ was a figure of identification, but did not exist as person.
Hi Sinnner
I didn't realise it was such an issue with you. OK lets deal with it.
Poor old doctor Sorrosh your source. He was suppose to be the "arabic" expert. Deedat made an absolute fool of him. He can't even read arabic properly let alone translate it competantly. Seems he is also dishonest. I wonder how is he going in prison.
The actual translation is
May Allah bless him and grant him peace
Check for yourself in the wiki glossary of Isam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Islam
I didn't realise it was such an issue with you. OK lets deal with it.
Poor old doctor Sorrosh your source. He was suppose to be the "arabic" expert. Deedat made an absolute fool of him. He can't even read arabic properly let alone translate it competantly. Seems he is also dishonest. I wonder how is he going in prison.
The actual translation is
May Allah bless him and grant him peace
Check for yourself in the wiki glossary of Isam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Islam
Luckily I was ready for y relpy to sinnner not to come through.
No trace of the most documented person before the advent of print ? Voted the world most influencial person by Michael Hart ?
Hart asserted that Muhammad was "supremely successful" in both the religious and secular realms. He also believed that Muhammad's role in the development of Islam was far more influential than Jesus' collaboration in the development of Christianity. He attributes the development of Christianity to St. Paul, who played a pivotal role in its dissemination.
I went to his burial place in Madina last year. He is buried next to the first and second calpihate.
I think you need o question your source just a little bit. I would avoid sites like answering islam. They don't like to let facts cloud their judgement.
No trace of the most documented person before the advent of print ? Voted the world most influencial person by Michael Hart ?
Hart asserted that Muhammad was "supremely successful" in both the religious and secular realms. He also believed that Muhammad's role in the development of Islam was far more influential than Jesus' collaboration in the development of Christianity. He attributes the development of Christianity to St. Paul, who played a pivotal role in its dissemination.
I went to his burial place in Madina last year. He is buried next to the first and second calpihate.
I think you need o question your source just a little bit. I would avoid sites like answering islam. They don't like to let facts cloud their judgement.
Deuteronomy 18:15
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me,unto Him ye shall hearken.
This is MOSES Speaking.
Prophet: Jesus
Midst of thee: Among/From the Jews
Of thy brethren: Same nationality as them
Like unto me: Like Moses who was a Jew & a lawgiver
Was Mohammad Jewish?
Was Mohammad born among the Jews?
You need to make a choice. EITHER accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or accept Islam. It is pointless to try and join them together as one. ALL attempts will fail because they are not the same God being worshipped. And every claim you make is easily disproved by scripture from those who it is given to understand.
So you are either trying to make them one, or you are really trying to convert for Islam ?
You are aware of the BLACK STONE aren't you...you know the one...encased in that mosque, and what NAME it was given yes? What you are doing is not right. And you will not be held blameless if you continue.
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me,unto Him ye shall hearken.
This is MOSES Speaking.
Prophet: Jesus
Midst of thee: Among/From the Jews
Of thy brethren: Same nationality as them
Like unto me: Like Moses who was a Jew & a lawgiver
Was Mohammad Jewish?
Was Mohammad born among the Jews?
You need to make a choice. EITHER accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or accept Islam. It is pointless to try and join them together as one. ALL attempts will fail because they are not the same God being worshipped. And every claim you make is easily disproved by scripture from those who it is given to understand.
So you are either trying to make them one, or you are really trying to convert for Islam ?
You are aware of the BLACK STONE aren't you...you know the one...encased in that mosque, and what NAME it was given yes? What you are doing is not right. And you will not be held blameless if you continue.
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Dear Devolution, I find we have strayed greatly from the original purpose of my post, which is to indicate the correct interpretation of the Scripture requires the Holy Spirit, and the Orthodox Church is the guardian of the Scripture. In the note on John 16:13, the OSB (Orthodox Study Bible) says (page 1457, "Because the Holly Spirit is the Spirit of truth, and because the Spirit abides in the Church, the Church is the guardian of all truth". The Orthodox Church. Not Muhammad or one of the Protestant Reformers, or, the popes of Rome after 1054 AD. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
I don't find a the OSB to be a credible reason why the Prophet of Truth is referred to as Holy Spirit.
Extract From Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) The truthful
The Prophet was recognized, even by the Quraish of Mekkah, his worst enemies,
who called him by the name of as-Sadiq (the truthful) and al-Amin (the trustworthy) long before his Prophet hood because of his honest and truthful dealings as a trader. But the titles al-Amin and as-Sadiq do not simply imply honesty in money matters alone; they are comprehensive and cover righteousness in every form. Whoever happened to have any dealings with him at this early period never ceased to praise him all his life.
The consistency of his honest and truthful conduct is proven by the fact that he began his mission of Prophethood with the words: La ilaha illa
Extract From Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) The truthful
The Prophet was recognized, even by the Quraish of Mekkah, his worst enemies,
who called him by the name of as-Sadiq (the truthful) and al-Amin (the trustworthy) long before his Prophet hood because of his honest and truthful dealings as a trader. But the titles al-Amin and as-Sadiq do not simply imply honesty in money matters alone; they are comprehensive and cover righteousness in every form. Whoever happened to have any dealings with him at this early period never ceased to praise him all his life.
The consistency of his honest and truthful conduct is proven by the fact that he began his mission of Prophethood with the words: La ilaha illa
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Dear PBUH, Like it or not, the people of all nations are going to have to learn one thing.
"Salvation is of the Jews". What does this mean? Salvation, the Saviour, is of the Jews.
Jesus was Jewish. Jews are blessed of God. Those who hate them are against God's will.
Those who hate anyone are going against God's will. If there is disagreement among religions, there should still be peace and no animosity and good will toward all. This is possible because Christ died on the cross to save sinners, of whom I am chief. There is salvation offered to all, because Christ rose from the dead. In America, Scott
unbelieving jews who hate Jesus are blessed by God?
what about unbelieving gentiles who hate Jesus? are they blessed too?
tell me:
which version of Genesis 12 have you been teaching?
which one is true?
who was God speaking to, and what was the Blessing that would come to all the families of the earth?
a)
Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
b)
Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless the jews, and him who dishonors the jews I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
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what about unbelieving gentiles who hate Jesus? are they blessed too?
tell me:
which version of Genesis 12 have you been teaching?
which one is true?
who was God speaking to, and what was the Blessing that would come to all the families of the earth?
a)
Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
b)
Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless the jews, and him who dishonors the jews I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
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