Interpreting Jesus 2

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Noblemen

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Interpreting Jesus

As we said before Paul never mentioned Jesus in the flesh. He never mentioned his virgin birth, his miracles, the healings, raising people from the dead, or a sermon Jesus preached, 2 Cor. 5:16,

16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Paul did not mention Jesus in the flesh because that part of Jesus life has nothing to do with who we are as New Creation believers, 2 Cor. 5:17,

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

What Paul did write about was Jesus death, burial, resurrection, and Ascension.
Paul focused on these events because they are the times you and I are in Christ. We were with him in death, we were with him in burial, we were with him in resurrection, and ascension, Romans 6:3-4,

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Col. 2:12,

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

We are not followers of Jesus of Nazareth, we are birthed children of God, which is an entirely different understanding. We need to understand how we came into Christ, and this knowledge is what Paul emphasized. It is my belief that when Paul saw that Christ was in him, his entire Ministry and understanding concerning the cross was radically changed. The Apostle Paul realized that if the plan of God was that another was to live in us, then our entire existence depended upon this other one. Paul's message of Grace is that nothing depends upon the human being accept believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Everything God has to do with a person depends upon Christ who lives in that person. Religion depends on you living the Christian Life, you being good, you taking up a certain Doctrine, you receiving someone's baptism, you becoming a member of a church and you doing things according to that Church's rules.

But when God puts Christ in a human being, from that moment on he never depends on that human being again. Why would God put Jesus in me and then turn around and depend upon me. That would be foolish, what in the world could I add to Christ, what can I add to the Cross, what can I add to the work of the Holy Spirit, what can I add to God's stature, nothing.
Got had already Illustrated in 4,000 years of the Old Testament that man could never please him. Now God's plan is to birth his own. They will be his children because he puts a part of himself, Christ, in the Believer.
Now he depends on the one Within, and God can now have the children he wanted, 1 Cor. 12:13,

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
 

Magenta

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Paul did not mention Jesus in the flesh because that part of Jesus life has nothing to do with who we are as New Creation believers, 2 Cor. 5:17,
1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”

Philippians 2 (KJV) 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Also, Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
 
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But when God puts Christ in a human being, from that moment on he never depends on that human being again. Why would God put Jesus in me and then turn around and depend upon me. That would be foolish, what in the world could I add to Christ, what can I add to the Cross, what can I add to the work of the Holy Spirit, what can I add to God's stature, nothing.
Got had already Illustrated in 4,000 years of the Old Testament that man could never please him. Now God's plan is to birth his own. They will be his children because he puts a part of himself, Christ, in the Believer.
Amen to everything you wrote except the rather confusing portion I quoted.

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God" (Hebrews 11:5).

And though there aren't any passages saying so I believe we can say that Abraham and Noah pleased God . . . and a few others.
 

Noblemen

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1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”

Philippians 2 (KJV) 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Also, Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Misunderstanding the message
 

Noblemen

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Amen to everything you wrote except the rather confusing portion I quoted.

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God" (Hebrews 11:5).

And though there aren't any passages saying so I believe we can say that Abraham and Noah pleased God . . . and a few others.
Sure there are those that pleased God at times in the OT, but the intention of God before creation was to place every believing individual "in christ" Eph 1:4

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Never God's intention to handle humanity through a written law. The law being immaterial to original plan of God before creation, Ephesians 1:4.

The pleasing of the Father is Christ in you the hope of glory, of coarse I'm sure it pleases him for Christian's to know something about that dynamic event that took place the moment they believed, another person (Christ) became their life, Gal. 2:20. 1 John 5:11-12
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

The existence of a sin nature in the OT would not allow God to be Father he wanted to be. He has always been father but had no one to be Father to in the OT.
 

Noblemen

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You opened with a false statement, which does not preclude me from understanding the rest of what you said.
You have no idea what we are talking about do you
 

Magenta

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You have no idea what we are talking about do you
We are talking around the fact that you refuse to admit your error, which you doubly compound by pretending I lack understanding.
 
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We are not followers of Jesus of Nazareth, we are birthed children of God,
A very important distinction. Something I myself am just beginning to understand more deeply.
 

Noblemen

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A very important distinction. Something I myself am just beginning to understand more deeply

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A wonderful feeling to go from glory to gloryand faith to faith. Getting understanding that we didn't know exsisted, only the HolySpirit can take one on in the journey of life, happy travels :)
 
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As we said before Paul never mentioned Jesus in the flesh. He never mentioned his virgin birth, his miracles, the healings, raising people from the dead, or a sermon Jesus preached, 2 Cor. 5:16,
16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

Paul did not mention Jesus in the flesh because that part of Jesus life has nothing to do with who we are as New Creation believers, 2 Cor. 5:17,

I am having some difficulty with you saying it has nothing to do with who we are in Christ.

Would it be fair to say not "that it has nothing to do with us" but rather that we need to move past the elemental teachings of the faith.

Paul may have taught about those events in person and of course since he is talking to converts of places where he had been he would not need teach them again and again about the events in the life of Jesus, so the same for us, we know these events, but that first saving faith is not where we stay we move from faith to a deeper faith?
 

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16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.




I am having some difficulty with you saying it has nothing to do with who we are in Christ.

Would it be fair to say not "that it has nothing to do with us" but rather that we need to move past the elemental teachings of the faith.

Paul may have taught about those events in person and of course since he is talking to converts of places where he had been he would not need teach them again and again about the events in the life of Jesus, so the same for us, we know these events, but that first saving faith is not where we stay we move from faith to a deeper faith?
What Jesus did when he walked the earth was the most important part of God's plan. God's original intention from before creation was to choose humanity to live by the life of another, Christ, Eph 1-4.
Adam choose the false identity for all humanity to live by.
Jesus brought the original plan into action. It was the father's intention to birth his own children by Christ in them.
We need a gospel to go with the father's original plan, and that is where the Apostle Paul comes in. He recieved information by revelation about the father's original plan, it was given to him by Jesus himself.
Paul tells us no one knew that God was going to birth his own children, Romans 16:25.
It was hidden in God untill it was revealed to Paul.
That in no way discredits the other apostles, it is just the Lord used Paul to bring this message of grace into the earth. No different than using say moses to bring the law and 10 commandments into the earth or any other he chose to bring a message.
Without Paul we have no in Christ message, for instance we knew nothing about a sin nature.
People knew they sinned but untill Paul they didn't know why, so the law was in effect to keep the sin nature from becoming full blown in nature, or reprobate Paul said, Romans 7 is a portrait of the sin nature.