Is Antichrist from Rome or Islam?

[JesusIsAll]

yes Ishmael had 12 sons,,, Ishmael - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "KEDAR" the second son of Ishmael and his Egyptian wife in kedar's line is the line to "Mohammad who wrote the Quran Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and this is the tribe that the 12th caliphate is to come from(Quraysh tribe) Hadith of the Twelve Successors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and is what the sunni/sheite ect. infighting is about,some don't think he has to be in the blood-line,,,

Hey, crazy old guy! (Now, you said this yourself.) I once heard this interesting theory of most thin merit that the Antichrist may rise out of the tribe of Dan, which is absent from the 144,000 of Revelation. Antichrist worships some strange god, and Danites were infamous idolaters.

There. My contribution, from the archives of near vacuous speculation, but, then again, not wholly vacuous, y'all. LOL!

 

[Jackson123]

Islam started with Hagar and Abraham....

Islam start about 600 AD and Abraham Born 1813 BCE. It is about 2500 years distance.

Islam not start by Abraham or Hagar. Islam start by Mohammad. And according to Alberto Rivera, Catholic behind Islam.


Abraham (who was first called Ab­ram) was born in the year 1948 after Creation (1813 BCE). (According to one tradition he was born in the month of Nissan; according to another, in the month of Tishrei). His father's name, as you all know, was Terah, who was seventy years old when Abraham was born. Abraham's mother's name was Amathlaah. The town in which he was born was called Cutha, in Mesopotamia. In the Torah, Abraham's birthplace is called Ever-haNahor ("Beyond the River").

 

[dcontroversal]

Hey, crazy old guy! (Now, you said this yourself.) I once heard this interesting theory of most thin merit that the Antichrist may rise out of the tribe of Dan, which is absent from the 144,000 of Revelation. Antichrist worships some strange god, and Danites were infamous idolaters.

There. My contribution, from the archives of near vacuous speculation, but, then again, not wholly vacuous, y'all. LOL!

Dan is also called a serpent and adder as well if I may add...IF I remember right HAHAHAH here let me check my statement.....yep Genesis 49:17

 

[iamsoandso]

One and the same for sure in my mind......!

in the link I gave the sources come from "Hadeth's",,not from the Quran,they are the same as "amendments to the Constitution",,or basically decrees /commentaries that were made about certain matters in the Quran. They believe Jesus(son of Mary) will come/return in the same role as John the baptist (to announce the 12'th caliph/Mahdi),,the hidden "Madhi",,these I think could be comparable to the "ten horns",,they give their kingdom and power to the "beast",,,,so they cannot be the beast and give their power to the beast. But then whats going on in the middle east? I take note that if they are the 10 as some say then in (Rev.17;12-14) they(the 10+the little horn?),,,do not rise until after the 7th head rises(Rev.17;10),,then the 8th rises(the beast/Rev.17;11),,,then after he/the 8th rises the 10 horns give their power and strength to the Beast/8th,,so if they(the calephs) are the 10/12 e.g. ISIS then the 7th head is come and gone and the 8th(the beast that was,and was not yet is) is already ruling or they cannot give their power and strength to him(so the beast is already here if we take the approach that isis is the 10 horns).

 

[JesusIsAll]

Dan is also called a serpent and adder as well if I may add...IF I remember right HAHAHAH here let me check my statement.....yep Genesis 49:17

Perhaps a thinly veiled prophecy? The problem I have it's the sort of exegesis that causes all sorts of error. The context seems a legitimate mission of judgment Dan will have, as a tribe of Israel, not an outcast. Also, "snake and Satan" doesn't resolve in "snake, therefore Satan," at least to my mind. But who knows? (Well, the Lord!)

 

[kote]

[h=2]Antichrist is already among us, (world) but is not only a religion, but also a demon disguised in human's body[/h]

 

[dcontroversal]

in the link I gave the sources come from "Hadeth's",,not from the Quran,they are the same as "amendments to the Constitution",,or basically decrees /commentaries that were made about certain matters in the Quran. They believe Jesus(son of Mary) will come/return in the same role as John the baptist (to announce the 12'th caliph/Mahdi),,the hidden "Madhi",,these I think could be comparable to the "ten horns",,they give their kingdom and power to the "beast",,,,so they cannot be the beast and give their power to the beast. But then whats going on in the middle east? I take note that if they are the 10 as some say then in (Rev.17;12-14) they(the 10+the little horn?),,,do not rise until after the 7th head rises(Rev.17;10),,then the 8th rises(the beast/Rev.17;11),,,then after he/the 8th rises the 10 horns give their power and strength to the Beast/8th,,so if they(the calephs) are the 10/12 e.g. ISIS then the 7th head is come and gone and the 8th(the beast that was,and was not yet is) is already ruling or they cannot give their power and strength to him(so the beast is already here if we take the approach that isis is the 10 horns).

The little horn will subdue 3 of the 10 unto himself and this will be the 8th kingdom (over the middle East)...goes all the way back to the tower of Babel and the rise an fall of the 7 MOUNTAINS in Revelation as in...

Egypt-->Assyria--->Babylon-->Persia-->Greece--->Rome and---->10 Toed/10 horned beast of Daniel/Revelation

Interesting-->Daniel 10-11 Little Horn comes out of the Syrian area and interesting to note that exactly 10 Arab nations have agreed to fight ISIS, ISIL, IS.....maybe the current dude called the CALIPH of the CALIPHATE will subdue the three biggest out of the 10 and the rest will fold in for 1 hour to destroy Daughter of Babylon (U.S.) which will allow an all out assault on Israel.......

 

[iamsoandso]

Hey, crazy old guy! (Now, you said this yourself.) I once heard this interesting theory of most thin merit that the Antichrist may rise out of the tribe of Dan, which is absent from the 144,000 of Revelation. Antichrist worships some strange god, and Danites were infamous idolaters.

There. My contribution, from the archives of near vacuous speculation, but, then again, not wholly vacuous, y'all. LOL!

yes,,I think it to have credit,Ireneaus,Barnabas,and others from 1st and second century church stated this and is a higher probability for the scriptures (Daniel 11;37-38),,"God of his fathers" so Abraham,Issac,Jacob,,,"nor any God"(the Islamic,do honor Allah as god,so cannot be this antichrist) The Islamic's do descend from Abraham,Ishmael ect. (and believe in a god incorrect),,,but they do not share the other two "fathers",,Issac and Jacob so (fathers plural) ends at Abraham in regards to the Muslims.

 

[iamsoandso]

The little horn will subdue 3 of the 10 unto himself and this will be the 8th kingdom (over the middle East)...goes all the way back to the tower of Babel and the rise an fall of the 7 MOUNTAINS in Revelation as in...

Egypt-->Assyria--->Babylon-->Persia-->Greece--->Rome and---->10 Toed/10 horned beast of Daniel/Revelation

Interesting-->Daniel 10-11 Little Horn comes out of the Syrian area and interesting to note that exactly 10 Arab nations have agreed to fight ISIS, ISIL, IS.....maybe the current dude called the CALIPH of the CALIPHATE will subdue the three biggest out of the 10 and the rest will fold in for 1 hour to destroy Daughter of Babylon (U.S.) which will allow an all out assault on Israel.......

in the list of nations you gave
(1)Egypt
(2)Assyria
(3)Babylon
(4)Persia
(5)Greece
(6/6th)Rome,1 is(rev.17;10)
(7th)is not yet come(rev.17;10) meaning at the time this was written

the 8th at the time this was written had come,and was of the 7 but was not in the earth at the time this was written(existing as a government),,but it was in the pit(Rev.17;8),,,,,,,so out of "Egypt,Assyria,Babylon Persia,Greece"<---which of these 5 nations were not in the earth but instead were in the pit?

 

[iamsoandso]

hmm,,I know this is the list we all read in all the commentaries,,but hmmm,"is there any other nation that held rule over the known world(that did not exist when this was written/was in the pit),,,that became a kingdom again and 10 nations/kingdoms give their support and power,,who are we missing?

 

[dcontroversal]

in the list of nations you gave
(1)Egypt
(2)Assyria
(3)Babylon
(4)Persia
(5)Greece
(6/6th)Rome,1 is(rev.17;10)
(7th)is not yet come(rev.17;10) meaning at the time this was written

the 8th at the time this was written had come,and was of the 7 but was not in the earth at the time this was written(existing as a government),,but it was in the pit(Rev.17;8),,,,,,,so out of "Egypt,Assyria,Babylon Persia,Greece"<---which of these 5 nations were not in the earth but instead were in the pit?

I don't view it that way.....The beast that WAS, IS not and shall ascend out of the pit and go into PERDITION....

The KINGS listed 5 have fallen, 1 is (Rome) and 1 is to come.
The beast is OF the 7 and will be the 8th<----by the very nature of the Beast Kingdom.....there is by necessity a KING to rule the KINGDOM<-----I think the BEAST is Satan and he will POSSESS the ONE who takes the head shot and then stands again....Jeremiah 25<----LAST to be punished is the KING OF SHESHACH which is symbolic for BABYLON...I.E. KING of CONFUSION<----WHO is the KING of confusion? SATAN

 

[JesusIsAll]

hmm,,I know this is the list we all read in all the commentaries,,but hmmm,"is there any other nation that held rule over the known world(that did not exist when this was written/was in the pit),,,that became a kingdom again and 10 nations/kingdoms give their support and power,,who are we missing?

Why conjecture beyond Rome, though?

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[iamsoandso]

I don't view it that way.....The beast that WAS, IS not and shall ascend out of the pit and go into PERDITION....

The KINGS listed 5 have fallen, 1 is (Rome) and 1 is to come.
The beast is OF the 7 and will be the 8th<----by the very nature of the Beast Kingdom.....there is by necessity a KING to rule the KINGDOM<-----I think the BEAST is Satan and he will POSSESS the ONE who takes the head shot and then stands again....Jeremiah 25<----LAST to be punished is the KING OF SHESHACH which is symbolic for BABYLON...I.E. KING of CONFUSION<----WHO is the KING of confusion? SATAN

in (Rev.19,20) the beast(one we are looking for) and the false prophet are cast into the "lake of fire",,,but not the devil yet(so he's not the beast,he gives the beast his power),,then the millennial Kingdom comes and the devil is bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years(rev. 20;2-3),,so he isn't cast into the lake of fire yet,,,then the first Resurrection comes (rev.20;4),,but not the rest(rev.20;5),,, then when the 1000 years are over/after(rev.20;7) the devil is again loosed from the pit and he then is cast into the lake of fire(rev.20;10),,,,AFTER THE 1000 YEARS, and where the (beast) and the (false prophet) were cast before the mill. kingdom began(rev.19;20),,,,so the beast,and false prophet are removed from the earth before the 1000 yrs but the devil returns after and is then judged,,,so if the devil is the 8th (he is judged twice),this cannot be.

 

[iamsoandso]

Why conjecture beyond Rome, though?

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I often wonder why we consider Greece and Rome in the list as two separate kingdoms. They in all reality were divided by 4 then struggled among their own selves and then became one again but by the new name Rome,,,but if we do we are missing a head in the list,,,

 

[dcontroversal]

in (Rev.19,20) the beast(one we are looking for) and the false prophet are cast into the "lake of fire",,,but not the devil yet(so he's not the beast,he gives the beast his power),,then the millennial Kingdom comes and the devil is bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years(rev. 20;2-3),,so he isn't cast into the lake of fire yet,,,then the first Resurrection comes (rev.20;4),,but not the rest(rev.20;5),,, then when the 1000 years are over/after(rev.20;7) the devil is again loosed from the pit and he then is cast into the lake of fire(rev.20;10),,,,AFTER THE 1000 YEARS, and where the (beast) and the (false prophet) were cast before the mill. kingdom began(rev.19;20),,,,so the beast,and false prophet are removed from the earth before the 1000 yrs but the devil returns after and is then judged,,,so if the devil is the 8th (he is judged twice),this cannot be.

I agree.....I guess my reference is indicative of the MAN of SIN.....THE MAN takes a head SHOT and stands AGAIN either possessed or empowered by SATAN himself.....THE man of sin can be killed by GOD and cast into the lake of fire and still leave Satan to work until he too is BOUND FOR a 1000 years and then released at the end of that period to finish the work he is ordained to do....??

I thought he was cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will be....?

 

[JesusIsAll]

I often wonder why we consider Greece and Rome in the list as two separate kingdoms. They in all reality were divided by 4 then struggled among their own selves and then became one again but by the new name Rome,,,but if we do we are missing a head in the list,,,

All the empires are of that Babylonian corrupt world system, as one snake being like another, a question which is more venomous. Now, Rome was headquartered in Italy, not Greece, and that some land of another empire is subsumed by the next empire doesn't define the new empire, does it? Also, separate kingdoms, of separate times?

 

[iamsoandso]

I agree.....I guess my reference is indicative of the MAN of SIN.....THE MAN takes a head SHOT and stands AGAIN either possessed or empowered by SATAN himself.....THE man of sin can be killed by GOD and cast into the lake of fire and still leave Satan to work until he too is BOUND FOR a 1000 years and then released at the end of that period to finish the work he is ordained to do....??

I thought he was cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will be....?

when did he receive the wound?,,,notice that at the time the Revelations was given to John(2000 years ago) he(the beast that was and was not yet is),,,,was already in the pit he had already(received his deadly wound,,Rev. 17;8=past tense),,compare it to (rev.13;3)"one of his head as it were wounded unto death",,,,but then afterward the two horned beast gives life back unto it(heals it's wound,,,rev.13;14-15),,,

I find this very helpful (REVELATIONS 1;19),,,things that are,that were,and must come to pass,,or "past,present future" so at the time John was given this Revelation 1/3(aprox) was past tense(happened before John was on Patmos=past tense) 1/3(aprox.) was going on while he was on patmos,,and 1/3(aprox.) was future tense to John in ad95,,,

So the wound in the head of the beast(one of his heads),,if it was in the pit at the time(present tense to John on Patmos/ad95),,rev.17;8(notice it is wounded already),,so then in (rev. 13;14-15) the two horned beast heals the wound and it comes back from the pit(future tense to John/ad95),,,,so the head was wounded in ad95 and in the pit,,and after this is brought into the earth and then is cast into the lake of fire,,,,,,,,,,,,but some see that he is still to come and then be wounded,,but what does it say?

 

[mpaper345]

The antichrist,the little horn,the man of sin,and the beast,will be from the Roman Empire which has not fallen. Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts,kingdoms,that would rise one after the other starting with Babylon. Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,and the Roman Empire. The Bible says that the first 3 beasts had their dominion tooken away which means they will never be a kingdom with power again but the 4th beast does not have their dominion taken away until Jesus puts them down. So the 4th beast,the Roman Empire will have the dominion until Jesus puts them down.10 horns come from the 4th beast which is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section which is the next kingdom to come,so the 10 horns will be an European plan to bring the world together which America will be along with them since it is a European dominion by England as welll as Canada and Australia and any other country taken over by European influence. The little horn comes from the 10 horns that comes from the Roman Empire so the little horn,the antichrist,will be from the Roman Empire. The Bible says that the prince to come,the antichrist,will be from the people who overthrew Jerusalem after the Jews rejected Christ which is the Roman Empire. I believe the Arab nations,the Muslim world,will be devastated during the first half of the tribulation because they reject the one world government and the one world religious system saying it is an insult to Allah which is the 6th trumpet of the Bible which will such a terrible war that the world will not trust government to solve their problems and turn to the antchrist to solve their problems. The Bibe says the little horn will pluck up 3 of the 10 horns by the roots which could be the Arab world and the 6th trumpet descibes weapons that could be nuclear bombs and that is why they are devastated. The Muslim world will have no power when the beast causes the world to follow him but the beast will use the powerbase of the European and European influenced nations to gain power.

 

[JesusIsAll]

The antichrist,the little horn,the man of sin,and the beast,will be from the Roman Empire which has not fallen. Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts,kingdoms,that would rise one after the other starting with Babylon. Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,and the Roman Empire.

Two questions, if I may, and just short answers alright, no call to put yourself out to justify anything,

1. Who do you believe the 7th empire of "short space" of Revelation 17:10 could be?
2. Who could the Babylon of Revelation 18 be?

 

[iamsoandso]

lol,,I wonder if anyone realized it,I feel as though I am a marriage counselor,and it is a difficult thing to acknowledge the cheating spouse. I balled up and cried when I saw the beast,when you see the beast,,,well I cannot have you not cry,but I can help you cry,,,,