Is baptism Essential for salvation?

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jinx

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Would you be willing to consider it, if it is explained to you step by step how homward derives that understanding from the scriptures?
I grew up southern baptist. I know how he gets it ;) thanks anyway though.
 
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Abiding

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did the whyly waccoon get a wed twuck?
 
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livingepistle

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"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." - Hebrews 10:4.

That statement is not qualified. It's absolute. The blood of bulls and goats do not take away sins for ANYONE. And to think that a bull could serve as Savior again shows your lack of understanding of the Gospel.

yes, I am sharply rebuking you because scripture instructs me to. You are teaching a false gospel. And now you have added a second Gospel on top of it by saying old testament patriarchs had their sins forgiven through the "bull savior."
Statement to A-Omega made by Jinx:

They don't provide remission of sins for us who are under the new covenant.
Jinx has more than clarified herself. The problems here is that you are busy attacking instead of listening. When using the English term “remission” in a Biblical context, clarifying the appropriate context for its use makes it acceptable when using it in a transitional fashion. Jinx distinctly said OT. :)

Consider the following English definitions of remission:


New Edition of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary

re•mis•sion

noun \ri-ˈmi-shən\

Definition of REMISSION
1
: the act or process of remitting
2
: a state or period during which something is remitted

Remit
1re•mit
re•mit•ted re•mit•ting

transitive verb
1
a : to lay aside (a mood or disposition) partly or wholly
b : to desist from (an activity)
c : to let (as attention or diligence) slacken : relax
2
a : to release from the guilt or penalty of <remit sins>
b : to refrain from exacting <remit a tax>
c : to cancel or refrain from inflicting <remit the penalty>
d : to give relief from (suffering)
3
: to submit or refer for consideration, judgment, decision, or action; specifically : remand
4
: to restore or consign to a former status or condition
5
: postpone, defer
6
: to send (money) to a person or place especially in payment of a demand, account, or draft

Remitting - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


Give earnest attention to definitions 1a-c. Notice it says lay aside partly or wholly, slacken: relax. It gets clearer in 5; postpone, defer. Moreover, to apply this term to the NT would not be proper when referring to bulls, goats, sheep, turtledoves, etc. Jinx, did clarify that “not to us after the cross”. :)

She never said take away sins. You are the one that assumed and applied your own definition in your attack—no love shown. Then you attacked her spiritual character by saying she is teaching/preaching a false gospel. Jinx used the term properly in her references to the OT when using the English term "remission". Remember, we are using English to describe an OT ritual.


Greek: Strongs 859
aphesis: dismissal, release, fig. pardon
Original Word: ἄφεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: aphesis
Phonetic Spelling: (af'-es-is)
Short Definition: deliverance, pardon, complete forgiveness
Definition: a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.
Cognate: 859 áphesis (from 863 /aphíēmi, "send away, forgive" ) – properly, "something sent away"; i.e. remission ("forgiveness"), releasing someone from obligation or debt. See 863 (aphiēmi).


Remission is cannot be used properly when referring to the NT in context of animal sacrifices


Consider this in your daily walk with Christ:

You are sitting in judgment of another man’s servant; Jinx is Jesus’ servant; she has not used anything that is not in the Bible. Even if her understandings of the scriptures were off, and they are not, “What did Apostle Paul say concerning another man’s servant?”

Romans 14:4 “Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.”

There is nothing magical about baptism and your statement is blasphemous; no one is using anything in the forum that is (Satanic) magical. You are teaching false gospel through your ignorance. Romans 1:22 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools…” The contexts of your statements depict an image of your character that is recalcitrant; include every synonym of this term.

In brotherly love :)
 
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livingepistle

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EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY



CHRISTIANS EVERYWHERE ARE HEREBY ADVISED TO


CEASE AND DESIST


WATER BAPTISM



New information has been introduced, now informing The Church,
contrary to 2000 years of practice that:


Baptism was intended to stop with John the Baptist;
OR should have been understood to be allegorical;
OR may only be performed per random requests according to the Law of Love















- satire -

(incredibly, this disclaimer is needed)​
****LOL**** ;) ;)
 

know1

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The way I see it, baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation. It would falsify other scripture, if it were.
 

zone

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Nobody has said that, zone.

Calm your fear and believe with all your heart that it is important to properly understand the scriptures and know that such emotion can only prevent that.

1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment (which restrains one, according to the root of the Greek word, and therefore). He that feareth is not made perfect in love." (KJV)
LOL..........fear:confused:

my good man, thou knoweth me not.
neither knoweth thou the scriptures.
 

zone

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Nobody has said that, zone.
hey...hang on...you said Jesus did not command water baptism.
and i think you said summink like philip baptized just cuz the eunuch asked for that "mode".

so, ya...you said that.
or at least, you SHOULD.

if we got it wrong, we need to stop it.
i have a thousand flyers printed up...do you need a stapler?;)
 
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hey...hang on...you said Jesus did not command water baptism.
and i think you said summink like philip baptized just cuz the eunuch asked for that "mode".

so, ya...you said that.
or at least, you SHOULD.

if we got it wrong, we need to stop it.
i have a thousand flyers printed up...do you need a stapler?;)
But I never said that the church must stop baptizing in water.

Therefore your misrepresentation of what I said is tantamount to telling a lie.

And we all know you do not wish to lie, at least not if you were aware of what you are doing and saying.. :)

As the Old Testament statement that God hates a false witness is something we all know you know.
 
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The way I see it, baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation. It would falsify other scripture, if it were.
That is an inescapable truth except to those who fear having been wrong.

It is nothing if we have been wrong. It is something if we remain wrong after God presents his word of truth with greater clarity to us.
 

zone

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But I never said that the church must stop baptizing in water.

Therefore your misrepresentation of what I said is tantamount to telling a lie.

And we all know you do not wish to lie, at least not if you were aware of what you are doing and saying.. :)

As the Old Testament statement that God hates a false witness is something we all know you know.
hey settle down there buddy.
have the courage of your convictions.

WHY would the church continue baptizing SINCE: JESUS never commanded it?

that means it is ERROR.

and you need to think about taking the Lord's Name in vain.
that means most importantly saying things about Him He never said, making claims He never made.
 

zone

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That is an inescapable truth except to those who fear having been wrong.

It is nothing if we have been wrong. It is something if we remain wrong after God presents his word of truth with greater clarity to us.
i don't think one person here said people can not be saved if they are not baptized (hindered)
or did you avoid that part?

so, tell me about the water baptism being a celebration.
or whatever thing you said it was - WHERE IS THAT IN SCRIPTURE?
the celebration (and significance) between people at the river part?
 
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i don't think one person here said people can not be saved if they are not baptized (hindered)
or did you avoid that part?

so, tell me about the water baptism being a celebration.
or whatever thing you said it was - WHERE IS THAT IN SCRIPTURE?
the celebration (and significance) between people at the river part?
If you don't think one person here said people can not be saved if they are not baptized, then we agree.

The only thing we disagree about is that you say it is a command that we be baptized in literal water and I say it is not.

I don't say it is a celebration, either. I say that is a fine symbol and that in this it is yet OK to observe. We are under no law to prevent it and it can be useful so long as people are not side-tracked to believe they have done all that is necessary for salvation by that one act.

Now you tell me who the mother was whom Paul was speaking about here: Galatians 1:15 "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace.."
 
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hey settle down there buddy.
have the courage of your convictions.

WHY would the church continue baptizing SINCE: JESUS never commanded it?

that means it is ERROR.

and you need to think about taking the Lord's Name in vain.
that means most importantly saying things about Him He never said, making claims He never made.
Calmly stated and honestly meant, not for my good but for yours. :)

Of course I am speaking of my post to which you responded with this post.
 
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jinx

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Can I bang my head again??? I promise I will only hurt myself.... LOL
 
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Can I bang my head again??? I promise I will only hurt myself.... LOL
Then you tell me who the mother was whom Paul was speaking about here: Galatians 1:15 "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace.."
 
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Ciscokid

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A-Omega--you know good and well, or you should know WHY that baptism had nothing to do Abraham, Moses and David.
It makes no sense to go into a lengthy explanation. And no they are not condemned , as you very well know.